I Love India

[La Lioness Priyanka]

i am bit tired of the anti india comments on this website...i would just like to say dont blame indians and india cos you government is fucked up. thats your problem not theirs.

[NightTrain]

1. I love Indian food!

Chicken korma and poori bread are two of my favorites. :9

[arcane1]

5. Indian food is the BEST!!

:9

just discovered it last year, actually, and I'm in love :loveya:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

18. good for you!

i am a good cook too...if you ever come to new york i'll make you somthing indian

[arcane1]

21. sounds good, going to travelocity now

:9

:bounce:


I'd return the favour if you visit SF, but I cook terribly. I'll treat to you a restaurant instead :D

[Mass_Liberal]

2. I've never been there. I really want to.

My dad's family used to live in Madras. I've seen wonderfully beautiful pictures of it. And Indian food is amazing.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

4. thats cool

i have heard that the south of india in beautiful as well...i wish i had more time to travel

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

3. Is this silly - you Indian Lioness?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

8. no its not silly

and yes i am indian...i am also american...

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

11. Nice - I find Indian culture the most fascinating I've encountered

And the Hindu religion was the first introduction into spirituality I had.

I have HUGE respect for India, despite current events.

:toast:

ps - Indian women tend to be the most beautiful on Earth - just sayin'

[theoceansnerves]

6. i agree

i love the food, the religions (general regard for animals), the dress, the soaps (chandrika :D)

[varun]

7. Indians are not too please with Americans either...

...for openly supporting and arming the puppet regime of Musharraf.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

12. yes but how many indians post here

about how americans are taking away indian jobs...and indian cannot provide customer service as well as americans can...adn their IT skills are not as good etc?

[Whitacre D_WI]

9. I love Indian FOOD!

Can't say I've seen too many anti-India comments here (I usually stay away from the political forums and stick to the lounge), but anyone who can make a good Gosht Biryani is okay by me. :)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

16. i can make good biryani :)

time consuming though

[Interrobang]

10. A lot of people seem to forget...

...that American economic nationalism isn't going to stop someone in another country from taking a job that's offered. Frankly, we non-Americans could give a rat's ass if you Americans think that those jobs "belong to you" -- if they're on offer, we're not going to say no. If you (as Americans) have problems with that, you should take it up with the people who are outsourcing the jobs in the first place, not blame it on the people at the other end who are just trying to get by, same as anywhere else... You could try, oh, say, *organizing*...

At least I assume, priyanka, that you're making a veiled reference to those "blame Indians for outsourcing" comments around here.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

14. yes

i was not really trying to be veiled...thats exactly what i am talking about

[cprise]

59. It's an element of class warfare

...where only workers are made to compete for the benefit of wealthy WESTERN investors.

So where are the emerging Indian entrepeneurs who will compete with our economic overlords at the top?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

61. i absolutely agree with you

its not that i agree with sending jobs overseas especially to india (cos its my country and i dont want it ruined) however i dont believe this is the fault of indians and i dont think that indians are any worse (or better) at doing customer service of tech suppport,...and to say that they are is RACIST and Xenophobic

[cprise]

69. Foreign customer support is usually worse

...and India tends to get singled-out because of the outsourcing trend.

Also, in addition to culture/language issues, India's IT industry is behind the curve when it comes to actual experience (so they tend to be not as expert, although they are catching up).

Still I won't blame them as individuals.

What the Asian Tigers did to our auto and electronics industries in 20 years, free-trade offshoring will do to IT, engineering and others in less than 7. And it will do this without allowing foreign competitors to emerge. It is a drastic shock that eventually results in no real competition (just labor pools competing across borders-- within the same company-- then being dumped ).

If international competiton is supposed to only occur in the lower-middle classes, then the wealthy have just defined themselves as being relatively worthless.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

71. i disagree with you

and i have a million and a half reason especially about the quality itself...but regardless its not our fault the american president is an imbecile and congress does not have a backbone

[notadmblnd]

13. I don't think anyone holds it aginst the Indians

Personally I'm enraged that the Indian people are being exploited by US Corporations.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

15. you are wrong

a lot of people are blaming indians...and i agree about exploitation part of your comment

[arcane1]

23. yeah, I've seen that... and they make it hard sometimes..

because as soon as I start ranting about jobs, exploitation, etc, someone assumes I'm just ragging on foreigners :(

I live for the day when WE get to frame the discussion!!!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

17. I agree

If it's not India it will be someone who works for less - It's the global corporations (Who happen to mainly come from America)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

19. i know i say this often

but race to the bottom...marx had it right

[loftycity]

26. That's so true...Love India the movies the authors and the food

Gita Mehta
Paramahansa Yoganada
Great Beaches in India ..Can we all go live on the one with all of the hippies.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

20. I said it above but it bears repeating - Indian Women are the beautifulest

IMHOP!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

24. yes they are

its funny, people often ask me if i am hispanic, then i tell them i am indian and they say "but you are so beautifuL'. as thought beautiful indian women do not exist...weird!

[arcane1]

25. hmm, Chaves does indeed..

speak the truth :loveya:

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

28. LOL !!!

Seriously - I've never heard anyone say Indian women aren't beautiful. You should smack them Lioness!!!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

29. in nyc i hear it all the time....i think people are just odd!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

34. I went to college in NYC and I didn't hear it from locals..

(I lived in a Pakistani neighborhood - 28th and Lex) but the general concensus of my friends (women and men) was - C'EST MAGNIFIQUE!!!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

42. i think its also a class issue.....

but i dont want to stereotype...i have heard it more than a dozen times though

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

50. what do you mean by class issue?

I want to understand what you're saying.

[Mountainman]

22. I don't blame Indians or India

I just refuse to talk to them when they call me for collections or to make a sales call. It isn't their fault that an American lost their job to an Indian. But I refuse to support such action which is my right.

I got sales call from SBC Communications, my phone company. The caller was an Indian woman who politely introduced herself and I then told her I will not talk to her and not to call me again. I got a letter from SBC stating that I will not get any future sales calls.

If we refuse to do business with companies that out source then it will be just as costly to use Indians as to use Americans.

I'm doing my part even though it is like a grain of sand on a beach.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

27. actually i completely disagree with whom you blame

i have seen your previous posts ... and :shrug:

[Mountainman]

38. I told you I don't blame anyone I just don't support outsourcing

I believe that globalization has the effect on Americans to lower their standard of living. I don't want to support that and I don't have to.

In America we are heading for a society made up of the wealthy ruling class and the working poor with no middle class. I do not want to see that happen so I will vote for those in power who are working to prevent that and I will do what ever I can to prevent that.

Like I said I have nothing against Indians or India. It sounds like I am trying to be PC but I have a few Indian friends who are computer consultants.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

53. no one said you had to support anythign

and noone said i had to agree with you..as a matter of fact i dont agree with you...and what i dont agree with you about is where i think you put the blame

[cprise]

62. It's not that easy...

Because of the company I work for and the part of the industry I've moved to, a lot of Indians I work with either have a green card and working to get US citizenship, or they're already citizens. Competing for jobs with actual Indian immigrants IMO is a welcome change; it doesn't represent a structure that was setup to abuse people like the current offshoring.

Before, it was H-1B city. Talk about indentured servitude.

But just so you know, some Indians you speak to are Americans. Maybe you should ask them about that before refusing to speak with them.

[DrWeird]

30. I've always wanted to go to India...

since I first tried the food. Is the food there as good as what the immigrants who come here and open up restaurants make?

Because if it is I'm renouncing my american citizenship.

Oh, and never mind the nazis.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

33. the food in india is much much better

the water and air in cities are AWFUL...

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

31. I'd like to point out the greatest liberal of all came from India

check my signature line!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

35. funnily enough i dont like gandhi!

[solinvictus]

32. Touchy subject...

I don't blame India because they're being outsourced to China now. I do, however, consciously refuse to purchase goods or services from companies that outsource American jobs.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

36. way to go - that's the idea!

:toast:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

37. thats different!

but its not ok to mock our accent or say that we cant provide the same level of service...that RACIST crap

[arcane1]

39. indeed

that is where the line is drawn :toast:

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

43. Yeah that Apu crap's got to go!

Why is it the leading minds in science, medicine and technology are Indian? Because they're genetically predisposed to work in 7/11s?
Bullshit!

[arcane1]

44. ah but we aren't supposed to talk about that, ya see

that doesn't fit the 'mold'. Better to think of them as all too stupid to feed themselves, it does wonders for the fragile American ego

[La Lioness Priyanka]

47. i dont mind cartoons that stereotype

especially since all of the simpsons is weird satire..

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

52. Their italian stereotype is the worst

you have a point

[arcane1]

56. the Simpsons like to stereotype the actual stereotype, too

gotta love that :)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

57. i do!

i like the simpsons...and apu's character...its funny

[arcane1]

58. one cool thing about the Apu, etc, stereotypes on the Simpsons...

is that Homer still always ends up looking like the genetically stupid one :D

[solinvictus]

60. Service

No, my manager when I worked at CIGNA Healthcare was from India and had an incredible work ethic. The issue is that our own corporations who receive a plethora of benefits at taxpayer expense are taking our public funds and removing the jobs.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

63. i agree

strangely enough i manage customer service at an american company in nyc

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

40. Lioness - as an aside

I have this obsession with cooking food from other ethnicities so, I've been trying to figure out a way to build a tandoor oven in my backyard. That would be heaven, know what I'm saying?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

41. that would be sooo wonderful

but be careful! please dont burn down the house!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

45. In the back yard! Heavens I'd start an inferno inside!

I lived in NYC above Curry In A Hurry on 28th and Lex.. Those tandoors made the best, freshest naan I've ever had (the rest of it was sitting in steam trays all day) and I must be able to make that for my children so that they begin to understand what other culture's have to offer - food is the 1st step IMHOP. Since I'm years away from kids I'm planning now!

[DrWeird]

48. Do-it-yourself Tandoor.

http://www.i4at.org/surv/tandoor.htm

When I'm well to do and can buy a house, to hell with the fancy ass $2000 propane barbeque. I'm building myself a tandoor.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

51. Wow - thanks DrWeird!!! That's great!

:toast:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

49. ohh i know you meant outside...still be careful

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

46. Last night I was reading the autobiography of Malcolm X

He was detaling the abuses of the British - unreal, I had no idea the extent of the genocide! The Indian people have it coming, they deserve to live a good life - THEY DESERVE IT!

[Deja Q]

54. India is NOT the problem. Anti-American CORPORATIONS are. Besides,

Of course, ther is some merit to the anti-India stance when the phone support personnel are baselessly RUDE toward their customers. I don't care which country a person is, you don't mistreat your customers under ANY conditions. Period.

You'll also see why we have such an interest in the India/Pakistan tussle. Not for the people. But for the money our corporations would lose if they nuked each other because somebody spilt their glass of kool-aid. x(

[La Lioness Priyanka]

55. actually there is no merit to an anti india stance

just cos one person from a fucking BILLION people was rude to you.

[Deja Q]

64. Try 6 so far... but I was talking about telemarketers in GENERAL...

Which is far more than one "fucking" country. :-) I've had Americans be rude to me too. But these days, I'd expect the AMericans to be pissed and Indians to be happy because they're getting all the jobs. Duh.

Didn't you read my post? I'll put the part you missed in boldface:

...RUDE toward their customers. I don't care which country a person is, you don't mistreat your customers under ANY conditions. Period...

Pardon the bad grammar, that should say "...country a person is in..."

In the end, I neglected to say a big point: The Indians, like the Americans, are being told what to say and do by their American corporate epxloiters. If a corporation can exert control or look threatening, you can bet your sweet bippy they're going to do it. Again, I apologize for this one oversight... Please take me off your "anti-India racist" list now.

You do have a valid point, but I'm starting to think you're conducting a witchhunt and spinning what people say against them. Tsk tsk.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

66. i am not conducting a witchhunt

and if i were i'd be smarter about it...theres a reason i was on the deans list at nyu..and the reason isnt that i am stupid

[La Lioness Priyanka]

68. i did read your post

and you said in your words "there is some merit to the anti-India stance when the phone support personnel are baselessly RUDE toward their customers" to which i again say that there is not....

i do not dislike americans because 10 customer service people of Citibank are stupid ..and i dont think there is ANY merit to that if i did

[Deja Q]

65. Why don't you go after Oprah and the one em-cee from "The View" as well?

They went to India and found out some frightning things about what goes on there to the Indian women, then came back to America to tell the whole country.

Surely they must be spreading anti-India propaganda?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

67. again saying something that is actually true

is not propoganda...maybe you need to look up the word in the dictionary?

make generalizations about people and their skill level based on ethniicity and the country of origin is racist


DID I accuse anyone of propoganda?

[varun]

78. Oh...the Europeans made a film about...

...Mathew Sheperd..and now they all know how Americans treat their gay people...

:eyes:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

83. yes and people film the polygamist in the us

and know how they treat 13 year old sisters

:eyes:

[IronLionZion]

70. I'm with you!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

72. thanks

:toast:

[Renew Deal]

73. This might interest you

http://blameindiawatch.blogspot.com/

[La Lioness Priyanka]

74. thanks bleacher

:toast:

[IronLionZion]

75. Hating India because their people want jobs is like

hating America because the neo-cons are fascist bastards. Its absurd. If you don't like outsourcing go punish the corporate fat cats. If you don't like belligerant nationalism, then vote Democratic in November.

I love India :toast:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

76. hating indians and trying to come up with "proof"

that your hatred is justified is stupid, racist and highly xenophobic.


perverted nationalism SUCKS!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

77. Agreed

I can't blame nations that feel on the defensive given the climate our "hyper power" is creating

[sweetheart]

79. I love india,and have spend almost a year there

between various visits. Being of a subcontinent religion (buddhist) i met my spouse in Benares/Varanasi.

If there is a place on earth, beyond nations, cultures and religions
that i would call home, then the high himalaya's are that place.

Namaste,

shiva RAM

[La Lioness Priyanka]

80. thanks sweetheart

[sweetheart]

81. methinks its past lives

India, being 3+ times the populalation of the USA, and many
subcultures that would make it the equivalent of the EU in complexity of language and style... oh what a lovely homeland.

So many lives....

Visit india, travel the length and breadth and discover for
yourself the magic of the great and ancient land.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

82. yes my homeland does sometimes fill me with awe

and sometimes distaste...however its still mine...

[cryofan]

84. I would like to move to India until I am 65

I could live off of my investments without having to work. You can rent a apartment for less than $100/month there! But you have to be careful what you eat and drink.

Also, India will not let you come and live there. You can get a tourist/business visa for 10 years, but you have to leave every 6 months and go to the border and leave for a couple of days.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

85. food should be fine...its the water

but then you can afford bottle water

[bloodyjack]

86. i am half indian and half arabic

which can only mean that i am loathed two-fold in the country of my birth. isn't that WACKY. actually it's kind of sad. also i was not aware: that indians are generally incompetent (wtf did that come from??), that indian women are the beautifulest in the world (it maybe that i am desensitized to the appeals of the exotic eastern vagina), nor that unemployment trumps that virtue of virtues, TOLERANCE

[La Lioness Priyanka]

89. some answers

also i was not aware: that indians are generally incompetent (wtf did that come from??): Umm A lot of posts were made about a month or so ago railing against the "HEAVY INDIA ACCENT" and how indians could not pronounce their name so they could not get good customer service from india. Then there were posts about how Indian tech support sucks.

indian women are the beautifulest in the world: well we do have some women who i believe are gorgeous..i think anywhere in the world people would say that they have the most beautiful women.

ALSO WELCOME TO DU

[bloodyjack]

94. since when did LANGUAGE BARRIER pass for INCOMPETENCE

bull hockey. pure americentric bull hockey. why should a former colony of the BRITISH populated by a billion people most of whom reside in rural areas be perfectly fluent in a foreign tongue. what a funny thing to read on a putatively progressive website, a tacit condonement of the spreading of the WICKED WAYS OF THE WEST, and what better means than by the contagion of LANGUAGE. why can't these people be satisfied that raggedy Raju Patel can at last enjoy a MAHARAJA MAC without having to drive very far at all. but you know, MEANWHILE PEOPLE ARE STARVIGN!!!!!!! PEOPLE!!!!!!!

honestly, i am shocked and appalled.

[bloodyjack]

99. oh yes

ALSO THANKS FOR THE WELCOME

[regularguy]

87. I love India too!

The people are awesome. I hope to get back to Goa someday! CoffeeCoffeeCoffeeeeeeee!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

88. glad you liked india

the coffee in india in general sucks :P

[regularguy]

104. Yes, but

one of my most enduring memories of India was passing through various towns on the train at night and hearing vendors yell out : "CoffeeCoffeCofffeeeee"

[m-jean03]

90. Hi lioness!

I have never been to India, but the people are beautiful and the food is delicious, even though it makes my eyes & nose run.:-)

Have you ever gotten to ride on an elephant?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

91. yes, at the zoo

my great grandmother arrived on an elephant for her wedding..and my grandfather had a pet elephant (absolutely true: no jokes)

[m-jean03]

93. Wow, that's great.

You must have some wonderful family photos.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

95. i do

AND the foot of the elephant..dont even ask

[m-jean03]

96. Somehow this is all reminding me of some Indian

Gabriel Garcia Marquez novel. Exotic & bizarre.

Edit -- "bizarre" really was a bad choice of words. I couldn't think of anything else to describe a Marquez novel at the time, though.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

97. not bizzare as much as different fromyour culture

[m-jean03]

98. Exactly.

However, I don't mean bizarre in a bad way. I hope that didn't offend you.

I think preserved elephant's feet are weird, but a cool family heirloom. All I meant is you could probably spin some good stories with your family's history and a liberal use of the imagination.

As opposed to Sweden, where many of my ancestors lived -- the East as well as South America are very exotic and strange. The hot temperatures, the sultriness, the exotic animals, the passion. Swedes are a pretty dull lot. Potatoes, cheese, lutefisk and Lutheran churches -- that is my ancestry, in a nut shell.:-)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

100. i think you guys are exotic

i think you look different from us and your tolerance is so much more than most cultures...kinda bizarre really :P

[m-jean03]

101. Hmm that makes sense

I know, all things are culturally relative! Swedes are a very bizarre lot, actually. In a boring kind of way. We have no elephants. Just aged fish, soaked in lye.

:-)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

102. but you could see why i think that is bizarre

especially if you made humans eat that...:)

[m-jean03]

103. Now I look at that first post

And I realize "bizarre" was really a bad choice of words.

Oh well.

Nice talking to ya!:-)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

105. no probs ..i know you didnt mean it in a bad way

[La Lioness Priyanka]

92. you also have to post on my whiny thread to seal our friendship

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x961731