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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 12:25 PM
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Lot Doctrine, I have posted on this before,
Edited on Tue Sep-14-10 12:27 PM by RandomThoughts
On those that think everyone is where they are suppose to be.

I have thought about people that think everything is preordained, that is what some believe. I have heard that before, there are some people that actually believe everyone is where they are suppose to be, by design.


It totally disregards free will, it says status quo is the way it is suppose to be. It is easy for people that think they can not make choices, to use such a thing to coast. The 'sliding penguins' from fight club, 'just slide'. Just let things happen and they will be as they are suppose to be. I have heard that.

I been trying to think of a just way of thinking on how people think. And I think I found it.

If someone thinks everything is 'the way it is suppose to be', then they can be thought about as being the problem. If everyone that thought that way was no longer in any place of influence, then people would not have the excuse to be non empathetic about those in harder situations. And people would not think they somehow should be were they are.

People that think every person is were they are suppose to be, or if you have or have not, are sick or healthy, then that is by some design order and suppose to be that way, are the problems.

Some people think that way. For instance the comment by someone that says women pregnant by attacks is part of God's plan, is an example of someone that thinks that. It completely ignores free will choices of people causing problems in society.

It is a gross underestimation of the power of God. To believe things can not be 'planned' with free will also, it is limiting the ability of God. There is absolutely no good that comes from people that think nothing is part of free will choices. It would either create despair, or lack of empathy.


I could be in 100 places and still fit 100 'design' elements in my past, and from that know that it is a major flaw for people to excuse free will failures of people for some divine plan for every action in existence. Either my flaws, or flaws that created some of my hardships.


Although it explains why some have not corrected what they should have. I understand how it works, they won't believe no matter what they see, because they will find a way to make it fit their world view.

And they will pay, and when they do, will they say that is part of the design? Heh, I won't say that is why, although it might be, it could also be free will choices.





If you believe everything is by design, then you have to believe that everyone is just playing out a part with no decisions, and you have to believe the world is perfect already.

That is the worst of bad doctrines, it does not think in layers at all.

Think of it this way, for every challenge you will face, including ones that are not of design, you can be given a way to make it through them in your past, not because those events were suppose to happen, but because they were known that they would happen. That does not mean they are right, nor does it mean people are in the right spot, it only means that within creation, free will is given, even if it creates problems. And also ways to work around those problems are also given.

And it means interventions happen, even if in a form of preparation to help people through wrong events. It is like given a compensation for something wrong before it happens. It simply removes the concept of time when done, since from my observations, limitations of knowing all time is not a problem for what I think of as how those things occur.

If someone gives you a bag lunch to take with you on a trip, then when you get hungry and have a lunch there when you need it, does that mean you were suppose to take a train or a bus? The point is having things show some things, does not mean that everything is 'by design' but that design can intervene.



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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 12:30 PM
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1. and, if one gets travel money, they can buy beer along the way.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 12:35 PM
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2. I like your philosophy.
I believe I will have a beer,and it happens!
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pgodbold Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 06:25 PM
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3. Brilliant. nt
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 06:58 PM
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4. What happens if Homeland Security takes my bag lunch?
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 09:51 PM
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5. Make sure your lunch is where they can not take it.
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soleiri Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-10 02:43 AM
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6. But then would he still want to eat it?
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