Question about new Star Trek movie - spoiler question

[Liberal_in_LA]

So old spock is now in his past, walking around the same time as young spock?

[Liberal_in_LA]

1. so right off the bat, someone gives this thread a neg rec. WTF! Cowardly a**hole

sitting there at your computer, pushing the neg rec cuz it makes you feel powerful. loser.

[slay]

8. Same thing happened to me in another thread

Nope, can't say i'm a big fan of the unrecommend feature. Not one bit. I refuse to use it, even on posts I dont' care for. OK maybe if people were voting up Michael Jackson stories or something but you nailed it - it's a cowards option.

As for your question - yes - older spock, younger spock - same time. Doctor Who ran into this potential problem in the 5th Doc episode Maudryn Undead - and the results were told to be not good. JJ Abrams definatly plays it loose with the sci-fi "rules" but the general good writing quality and great directing make up for it.

Here's a cool semi-off topic story: Did the Beastie Boys inadvertently invent the Vulcan nerve pinch? -- http://slyoyster.com/movies/2009/did-the-beastie-boys-inadvertently-invent-the-vulcan-nerve-pinch/

(warning - some minor spoilers)

[orestes]

2. Yes

Edit: Actually, I just noticed you said his past.
The answer is no. It's not the past that he remembers. That all changed when he and the Nerada got sucked back into time. Everything starting with the destruction of the Kelvin onward is different in the "past" that old Spock got taken back to. It's more like a divergent time line, with the divergence occurring at the point the Romulans went back to.

[Liberal_in_LA]

3. but the 'past' that old Spock is now existing in includes his younger self?

I hate timeline stuff.

[jeff30997]

4. Time-line stuff or paradoxes...

I love those themes in Sci-Fi.I can't wait to see that movie.

[Liberal_in_LA]

5. ooops. hope it's not spoiled for you.

[jeff30997]

6. Don't worry it's not.

You said that there was a spoiler so it's OK.I was curious.:)

[pokerfan]

7. Young Spock's timeline and Old Spock's timeline

are/were identical up to point of the time travel. At that point a new timeline was formed, forking off from the previous one:




I hate timeline stuff.

Then you probably wouldn't enjoy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primer_%28film%29">Primer:

[slay]

9. Wow I did not know of Primer somehow

I shall watch it tomorrow. Or perhaps yesterday. :P

I rather enjoy crazy timeline/sci-fi stories. :toast:

[Frank Cannon]

11. Wow. I thought I didn't fully understand Primer.

Now that I look at that timeline, I realize that I probably really didn't have the first freaking clue.

[CBGLuthier]

12. Primer is great SF

Star Trek is candy coated space opera.

Primer makes you think until your head hurts. One of the top ten "true" SF films ever made.

[Liberal_in_LA]

14. OMG! Thanks. Now graph 13 monkeys (or whatever that movie was called) for the time-challenged

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. I'm pretty sure 12 Monkeys only had one timeline.

Kind of the point.

Nothing in 12 Monkeys can be altered in any fashion. Everything that happens is on the same timeline.

[Hayabusa]

17. Primer

Holy crap, I have no clue what the show is, but just looking at that timeline gave me a headache...

[Liberal_in_LA]

19. Me too. I politely looked away.

[WolverineDG]

10. As another said, not *his* past

the timeline was changed when the Kelvin was destroyed by the Romulan ship. As for the automatic unrec, I suspect it's someone who thinks that all sci-fi that isn't Star Trek TOS is garbage.

dg

[Liberal_in_LA]

15. I gotcha. Have to learn not to take unrecs personally.

[NewJeffCT]

13. I disliked the timeline change

I normally like time travel stories: Star Trek IV; Star Trek - 1st Contact; City of the Edge of Forever - however, I disliked that they felt they needed to destroy the whole planet of Vulcan in this new timeline. Part of most time travel stories is that the heroes do something in the past to set things right and restore reality to the way it was supposed to be.

This whole change to the timeline would basically negate a ton of stuff that happened in many episodes - Amok Time from the original series being the one that comes to mind.

And, no I was not the one to unrecommend the thread.

[Liberal_in_LA]

16. Me too. I kept waiting for the timeline to be fixed and Vulcan to be 'undestroyed'.

[NewJeffCT]

20. Yes, I kept waiting for that, too

so, maybe that while I liked the movie overall, the ending left me disappointed.

[Liberal_in_LA]

21. Good movie, but I wondered why they get an actor to portray Sulu & his wonderful voice

as well as they portrayed Bones, Chekov, Scotty, and Spock. Seems like they just had a young Asian in the role, didn't try to imitae his characteristics and distinctive voice.

[NewJeffCT]

22. George Takei certainly has a distinctive voice

I remember watching "Star Wars: The Clone Wars" and one of the bad guys was voiced by him - and, I didn't even need the credits to figure it out. Imagine him & James Earl Jones doing voice overs together!