Two part question: What is your favorite Genesis song and when did they start to suck

[LynneSin]

I mean you listen to the older music put out by Genesis and it's just absolutely amazing. But their later stuff went totally commericial poprock.

So what is your favorite Genesis and when did they start to really suck

[madinmaryland]

1. Is this a freeper question??? They talk about Genesis alot over at Rapture Ready??

:shrug:

[Iggo]

2. I don't have a favorite...

...and evidently they started to suck long before I ever heard of them.

:hide:

[Taverner]

3. Dancing with the Moonlit Knight (Gabriel era) and Eleventh Earl of Mar (Prog-Collins era)

And I believe it was "Follow you follow me" that let us all know they were going to suck from here on

[LynneSin]

4. Yeah but I love "Follow You, Follow Me"

but after that yea :scared:

[redqueen]

5. Trespass - Looking for Someone

Another great one - Knife

IMO they started to suck when Peter left.

[Systematic Chaos]

6. I always try to separate prog-rock from prog-pop and give equal attention to both.

If it weren't for the highly commercial efforts of Yes and Genesis in the early 80s, I may never have become the prog-rock addict I am today.

As much as Phil Collins skewed Genesis towards a pop direction, I still have to give him credit for not bringing them to the level of Phil's last couple of solo albums. Now those are just horrible. But Invisible Touch and We Can't Dance have lots of catchy tracks.

I'm even going to go one step further and defend the album with Ray Wilson, Calling All Stations. I think that lineup had a lot of potential and it's a shame it folded after just that one album.

So, do I need to don a flameproof suit now or something? :P

[Westegg]

7. Can't give you one. Must give you six...

...These are in approximate order, although that changes from time to time:

---Supper's Ready
---The Musical Box
---One For the Vine
---Firth of Fifth
---Broadway Melody of 1974
---Happy the Man

There are at least 15 others that run a close second!
And dozens more that run a close third.

When Hackett left the band (I'm old enough to remember when it happened), I figured that was the end. But Genesis had some life left in them still. There are a couple fine songs on "Genesis" and "Abacab." And "Duke" is actually my favorite of the post-Steve albums, because it's so tied up in my mind and memories with my dramatic and romantic and ridiculous senior year in high school. You know how that goes, right? I can still listen to Duke today with real pleasure, and not just because of the memories it evokes. The production on that album is really fine, and I think that the "Duke Suite" is sort of their last blast of anything like Prog Rock. I think it's very well done. IMO, that's Tony Banks at work. But as a direct answer to your second question-- did you expect a terse response from a Prog Rock fan?--anything after Steve left is suspect, with the those few songs on those three albums as exceptions to the rule. I'm ultimately all about Gabriel/Genesis, so you really don't need to hear what I think about "S-S-sss--Sudio," or "Life's no fun/Bein' an illegal Ay-lee-un." Right?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

8. My dear LynneSin!

I love the song "That's All."

No idea when they started to suck, though...:shrug:


:hi:

[LynneSin]

9. For us Proggers it was when they became commericial

their earlier stuff is simply sublime and beautiful examples of all that is good in the prog rock world.

[ok_cpu]

10. Squonk

And 'Congo' is when they went to crap.

[PVnRT]

11. Abacab

[6000eliot]

12. Abacab was the last album of theirs I could listen to.

After that they sounded like Phil Collins's backing group, and I loathe Phil Collins solo.

[RetroLounge]

13. They began major suckage...

the exact moment Peter Gabriel quit.

RL

[Zavulon]

34. RetroLounge took my answer. (NT)

[MrScorpio]

14. I love Invisible Touch

So sue me

[Zavulon]

35. Avoid strangers who start talking to you.

They're probably there to serve you. ;)

[Mike Daniels]

43. I used to feel that Invisible Touch was pretty much a Collins solo album under the Genesis name

However, when the band started their reissue series I gave it another listen and while it's still a little heavy on "No Jacket Required" moments you still have Tonight x3 (the middle instrumental and lyrics dealing with scoring dope are definitely un-Collins), The Domino suite and The Brazilian to balance out the ballads.

Hell, even "Land of Confusion" drives harder than anything Phil was cutting on his solo albums at the time.

[maxsolomon]

15. As i have opined previously: DUKE.

DUKE is a 1-syllable summation of all that is unholy.

favorite song? i dunno. i like the Lamb Lies Down album. In The Cage?

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

16. Didn't you post this exact same thread a year or so ago?

[martymar64]

17. First answer, none. Second Answer, they always sucked.

Martymar Smash!!!!!

:argh:

[Skittles]

18. Duchess

can't remember exactly when they sucked

[ok_cpu]

19. Duchess is a great song

That whole album is underrated.

[Generic Brad]

20. Since when has Genesis sucked?

I personally like that bland corporate sound.

[baldguy]

23. Since Peter Gabriel left.

Going on - oh, 30 yrs now.

[Generic Brad]

24. They weren't corporate sounding enough with Peter Gabriel for me

I have no sense of artistic taste.

[KittyWampus]

21. Always hated Genesis. Always loved King Crimson.

[GCP]

22. Favorite - The Musical Box

They started to suck as soon as Peter Gabriel left.

[InvisibleTouch]

25. Despite my username...

...and despite the fact that I love the Phil Collins era of Genesis, my favorite Genesis song has to be "Calling All Stations." One of those songs I put on continuous loop for several hours the first time I heard it.

Sorry, but I just can't get into the Peter Gabriel era, cannot stand it (though I like some of his later solo work). I'm an 80's girl, so I like the "commercial poprock." :)

[Celeborn Skywalker]

26. All of Foxtrot.

I love that album. Anything after Lambs doesn't sound that great to me.

[muriel_volestrangler]

27. 'Firth of Fifth'; and 'Duke' was the last decent album

the Collins'-only-written songs on it are below par, but 'Duke's Travels' and 'Dukes' End' are still classic Genesis.

'Supper's Ready' has a lot to be said for it, just because it's so long that there's a lot of good stuff in it. 'Trick of the Tail' is probably the best album in terms of consistent quality.

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

28. Probably "The Cinema Show"

from "Selling England by the Pound." That was the first Genesis album I ever heard, back in 1973. Blew me away. I stopped caring after The Great Steve Hackett left and Tony Banks decided he wanted to become a millionaire writing pop pablum.

[HughBeaumont]

29. 1) "Blood on the Rooftops" 2) the abomination known as "Inveeseeble Touch Yeah".

Horrible turn of events. There were a few good songs with the s/t. Invisible Touch was just corporate MTV crapola, though.

"Blood on the Rooftops" has to be one of the best songs of the 70s, PERIOD. It's unique structure and cryptic lyrics leave a lot of songwriters chasing what Hackett and Collins accomplished with that one. Astounding.

[Sebastian Doyle]

30. They didn't truly suck until Phil Collins started making solo albums.

You would think that would have allowed him to spew his Top 40 tendencies and Diana Ross covers as a solo artist and carry on with Genesis as always, but eventually the Genesis albums became "The Phil Collins Band, featuring Mike Rutherford and Tony Banks".

And then came Mike & the Mechanics, which was Mike Rutherford making Phil Collins albums that Phil didn't even sing on.

That's when you knew it was over.

Oh and my favorite song.... probably "Follow You, Follow Me". Because it's the first one I remember hearing, and because it reminds me of a previous chapter in my life. The good parts of it anyway.

[Capn Sunshine]

31. Squonk, but Trick of the Tail is close 2nd- and "Inveesble touch yeah" is the downhill to hell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_uwG79As4A
Closer 2nd-"In the cage"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVZBio8NJNs

Oh and my favorite Gabriel tune post-genesis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNdMi-Vw2N0

[MrSlayer]

32. I think their early stuff sucks. They are better as a pop band.

Abacab is probably my favorite song.

[PBS Poll-435]

33. Invisible Touch

2nd part...

When Phil lost the "nads" to say "fuck" on a record.

[mwb970]

36. I liked "Broadway" the best.

But then I'm a sucker for concept albums.

[cemaphonic]

37. Musical Box

I've posted this before. Really good quality performance. Check out Phil Collins in a beard and wife-beater.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W35wtfcByIY

[CrownPrinceBandar]

38. "The Carpet Crawlers".........

They started to suck after "Abacab", which was a great album.

[marknovota]

39. MAMA - best song

I think Mama is the best song Genesis have ever recorded.

1. Mama
2. Land of Confusion
3. That's all

[ArnoldLayne]

40. suppers ready the musical box dancing in the moonlitnight the knife the battle of epping forest

all of foxtrot and tresspass.

[ArnoldLayne]

41. I forgot also cocoon cocoon carpet crawlers broadway melody 1974 when peter Gabriel was

Peter Gabriel was with them.

[Mike Daniels]

42. The Musical Box / Battle of Epping Forest / Cinema Show

Great stories in the lyrics on the first two and a wonderful keyboard solo on the last.

One thing I liked about Banks' playing was that it was never flashy unlike Emerson's or Wakeman's.

I discovered Genesis in reverse order...heard the Collins-era material before I ever heard any Gabriel-era stuff so I have a hard time picking a starting "suck" moment.

Musically, they had to change if they going to continue to be successful and it's not like they didn't attempt to write a "pop" song during the Gabriel years. Hell, their first album was exclusively full of "pop" material.

[ArnoldLayne]

44. The Firth of Fifth and I Know What I Like