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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:28 PM
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Heath Ledger as the Joker is the 2nd best casting in the history of film
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 11:29 PM by Orrex
Shelley Duvall as Olive Oyl is the best. Hands down. No one was ever more clearly born to play a role.

Granted, the surrounding film wasn't that great, but come on!


:popcorn:


Edited to add the popcorn...
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:31 PM
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1. "Shelley Duvall as Olive Oyl" Love your mind, that *was* an inspired casting...
:spray:
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:35 PM
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4. You're too kind!
:hug:
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Lethe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:33 PM
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2. well, i think the octopus was pretty good too
and it's hard to find good cephalopod actors these days
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:35 PM
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3. If you really want to find some...
Just say that you're having a cattle-call for your upcoming Call of Cthulhu blockbuster. They'll show up by the bucket!
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Lethe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:37 PM
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5. well technically
they are humanoid cephalopods.....kind of like the dungeons and dragons Illithiad (Mindflayer), but crossed with a half dragon.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:38 PM
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6. WTF?!? Are YOU telling CTHULHU how he should manifest?
You're going to have some horrifying dreams tonight, pal!
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Lethe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:42 PM
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7. Oh i'm waiting for him
In his house at R'lyeh, dread Cthulhu waits dreaming....

I welcome the insanity and the destruction of mankind

:D
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:46 PM
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8. Has Tom Cruise ever played a stupid prick?
Cause if he has, he wouldn't even have to act.
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Lethe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:48 PM
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9. Top Gun?
i like Iceman better
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:50 PM
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11. Then it was the part he was born to play!
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:50 PM
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10. Well...
His "stupid prick" characters usually have some minor redeeming quality, so it's something of a stretch for him.
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Lethe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:55 PM
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12. also, his role in Rain Man was kind of un sympathetic
he was a dick, pretty much, that used his brother's abilities to make money, the whole time yelling at him for being different.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 12:00 AM
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13. Yes, but...
Charlie redeems himself somewhat when he realizes that Raymond is better off in the care home, even though Charlie has formed a bond with him.

This implies that, on some level, he wasn't a complete dick.
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Lethe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 12:05 AM
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14. what would Wopner say on this?
an eternal mystery....

:D
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 09:06 AM
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18. The character he played in "Magnolia"
No redeeming qualities at all. Definitely a stupid prick. :D
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 12:10 AM
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15. the dude in Taps. nt.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 08:19 AM
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16. I've got an even BETTER casting..
Shia LeBeauf as Indy's son......:P
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 08:59 AM
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17. This one needs no text, just a smilie
:puke:
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:06 AM
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22. Oh yeah? Well tutch this!
:spank:
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 09:08 AM
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19. Shelley Duvall worst casting in history - the Shining
I always wondered what the Shining would have been like if you substituted Nicholson Duvall and the kid with the cast of Kramer V. Kramer.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:04 AM
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21. She has the worst swing of anyone whose ever held a baseball bat
And your casting suggestion is really interesting--I'd love to see that Hoffman in that role!
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:09 AM
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23. shame everything is so dated in that movie...
Edited on Thu Aug-14-08 10:10 AM by gmoney
the kid's clothes and haircut, and Shelly's gawdawful wardrobe, and that Gary Glitter looking guy who gives them the tour of the hotel at the start. And why do hotels always have the ugliest carpeting in the hallways? Sure, they're great for riding your Big Wheel... maybe the ugly carpet soaks up blood better?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 06:10 PM
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43. I think the period details add to the creep factor
It's obvious everything is supposed to be opulent, but instead it looks shabby. :shrug:
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 09:14 AM
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20. I don't know. There are a lot of great male roles with spot on casting
Edited on Thu Aug-14-08 09:15 AM by mnhtnbb
What about Marlon Brando in The Godfather?

What about Clark Gable as Rhett Butler in Gone With the Wind?

What about Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke?

What about Henry Fonda in On Golden Pond?

What about Jimmy Stewart in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington?

Just to name a few...I won't even start on the females.
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:16 AM
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24. Maybe in terms of matching an existing character...
Much better performances by actors perfect for their role, but without some pre-existing visual they were trying to match.

And I think what makes the Heath Ledger "Joker" work is that the make-up doesn't look like pristine clown make-up, as Nicholson and Cesar Romero wore.

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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 11:39 AM
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26. That, and the fact that he was scary as FUCK.
:)
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 12:04 PM
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28. I agree on both counts
The OP was largely intended in a ha-ha sort of way, though she really is perfect for the role.

Ledger's performance IMO is one for the ages. He portrayed a character that had simply never appeared onscreen before, despite weak comparisons subsequently made by curmudgeons and naysayers.

A while back I read Nicholson's Joker described as an "angry uncle," which seems about right. For that matter, I never bought his performance, because once you got past the fact that it was Jack, there was nothing remarkable about the role. Cesar Romero, of course, pursued a different aesthetic, and he was goofy and fun-loving and never particulary dangerous.

Ledger's Joker was nothing at all like either of them, and rightly so!
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 11:15 AM
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25. Gregory Peck in: To Kill A Mockingbird
perfect.

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 11:55 AM
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27. YESSSSSSSSSS!!!
I just loved that man..and that movie...
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 12:05 PM
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29. Ooh! Good call!
Hadn't thought of him!
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 12:06 PM
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30. You don't know what you're talking about, you freaking idiot.
George C. Scott as Patton. Magnificent casting.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 12:25 PM
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31. Jack Nicholson as COL Jessup in a Few Good Men
Who else could have nailed it as he did?
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 02:20 PM
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37. Maybe, but...
"You can't handle the truth" is about the worst line in film, after "you complete me."

And what do the films containing the original uttering of those two lines have in common? Hmm...
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montanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 12:28 PM
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32. Jack Nicholson in The Shining and I disagree with
the post above saying that Duvall was wrong for The Shining. She's skinny, weak and afraid, but she perseveres.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 02:08 PM
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36. Yeah
I thought Duvall was rather haunting. She put a lot into that role and her batswing was so bad it was good.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 06:15 PM
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44. I think it would be a very different film with another actress
She herself is a little creepy, and the way she plays the character... she projects SUCH an aura of weakness that even after I've seen the movie MANY times, I never expect her to pull it off. :shrug:

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montanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 09:49 AM
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51. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, she is
a little creepy and SO weak you always think its gotta go his way.
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Spiritinthesky Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 01:09 PM
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34. The Joker
Great film, great acting...
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 06:08 PM
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42. Hello!
Welcome to DU! :hi:
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 02:04 PM
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35. Sheesh... it's called ACTING! His ability turned what would have been one lame ASS movie
into a must see.
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 08:47 PM
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46. Heath Ledger is the only reason to see
The Dark Knight. We spent the entire movie waiting for him to come back onscreen. The movie without him is just bloated filler. Batman is a rightwinger with a Clint Eastwood voice who believes in spying on Americans and kidnapping a foreign national to plunk him down in a U.S. jail. Glen Beck loved the politics of the movie. "George Bush IS the Dark Knight...he's protecting America from terrorists."
Heath was great, though.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 02:47 AM
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49. agree 100%... this performance and his performance in Brokeback Mountain
cements his place in film history.

I have never seen an actor do more with the UNSAID than Ledger did in Brokeback Moutain.

The world is less of a place without him.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 04:47 PM
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38. LOL...I liked Popeye.
:shrug:

George C. Scott as Patton was a pretty brilliant move as well.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 04:56 PM
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40. What Squinky eye?
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 04:56 PM
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39. Christopher Reeves as Superman.
Beats both yours.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 05:18 PM
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41. A deleted message?!? How did that happen?
I wouldn't have thought that this thread could generate a delete-worthy posting.

:shrug:
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Doc_Technical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 07:49 PM
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45. Arnold Schwarzenegger as a robot,
a role he was born to portray.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 08:48 PM
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47. No fucking kidding! You almost want the Joker to win at the end.
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 08:52 PM
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48. I've got two. Vivien Leigh as Scarlett O'Hara, and
Renee Zelwinger as Bridget Jones. Even my husband, who wouldn't go to the movie in the theatre, was charmed by Zelwinger as Bridgett when he saw the movie on TV.
That said, Heath gave one hell of a performance. Made the movie for me.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 07:48 AM
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50. to die for?
sorry, could not resist
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