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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 10:44 PM
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do you think it is important to be fair?
how easily can you forgive an enemy?

how easy is it for you to default to pettiness?
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Fran Kubelik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 10:50 PM
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1. which is more important - fair or just?
I think forgiveness is underrated in our current society.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 10:53 PM
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2. i think being just is something laudable
it requires a certain temperament and one must be able to think in proportion, be able to put themselves in someone else's shoes.

but justice is a delicate balancing act.

do refer always to the common good?

is justice situational?

how entwined is it with morality and ethics? are the presuppositions which form the foundation of any morality or ethics just or reasonable themselves?

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Fran Kubelik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:02 PM
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4. justice is definitely situational, don't you think?
and like fairness, probably a little subjective.
it is not always the best route to always defer to the common good either, if you ask me.
morality is a slippery slope. what does that even mean anymore? is morality defined by society? i am not sure i want my morality defined by our current one.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 01:49 PM
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11. just is best. Fair is best too. Life isn't fair or just but it doesn't mean
you have to give into that and join the assholes of the world.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 04:51 PM
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19. Life isn't fair, but people can be. nt
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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 10:57 PM
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3. to a fault...
I can't poop in a 5gal bucket...

:P
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:59 PM
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5. Racist!!!


Sorry. Been in GD...

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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 01:28 AM
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6. fairness doesn't exist...
so no.
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 01:42 AM
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7. always forgive a dem, never forgive a repuke. n/t.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 08:50 AM
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8. is this a version of the old justice/mercy argument?
If so, I always go with mercy, for mercy's sake!
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 09:08 AM
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9. Fairness is very important, and laudable.
There is no fairness in life but that created by humans.

Forgiveness of enemies, however, is not always a good thing.
They sometimes do not deserve it, and some interpret it as a sign of weakness/stupidity which they will try to exploit.



mark
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 09:15 AM
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10. "Fair is for kids."

Spoken by character Bobby Marsino in THE YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS a few years ago.

Sad but true!

"They sometimes do not deserve it, and some interpret it as a sign of weakness/stupidity which they will try to exploit."

I second that! Some do interpret kindness as weakness.

Also, forgiveness does NOT NOT NOT mean you have to let somebody back into your life!
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 01:54 PM
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12. was someone mean to you?
:shrug: :hi:
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blueraven95 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 02:24 PM
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13. answers
I think it is important to try and be fair, which is hard when you are involved in a situation. The importance of fairness, it seems to me, is highly situational and often is a personal judgment. I think more important than fairness is empathy, that is, to try and understand why another person reacts they way they do. If more of us took the time to really understand another person's position, I think we would be a much more pleasant society to live in. Fairness is very different, however, from justice, and I think it is extremely important to have a code that demands fairness (as much as possible) in an judicial system.


I'm mostly one of those "quick to anger, quick to forgive" people, but when I am really hurt/angry about something, I don't let it go easily. I try to forgive, because I find I am a happier, healthier person when I am not bottling up that hurt/anger, but I also know better than to forget. There are some people, though, who I doubt I will ever forgive, and mostly because of things they have done to other people, not to me.


I try not to default to pettiness, and generally if I take some time out from a situation, I can avoid the temptation (but not always!) In the heat of the moment is really hard, though, and I have a hard time keeping my mouth closed in situations like that. I try, but I don't generally succeed.

:hi:
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 03:43 PM
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14. Yes.
Very.

Very.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 03:44 PM
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15. fair and just; there is a balance.
After a certain point, I think of being just for the remainder of society.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 03:47 PM
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16. Fair and square are fightin' words.
To quote Boss Hogg.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 03:51 PM
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17. yes its important. depends on what they did to make me their enemy.
very easy to default to pettiness.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 03:52 PM
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18. I feel that it's important to be able to forgive my enemies after I've destroyed them.
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montanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:46 PM
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20. What is fair? What is petty?
You're driving down the freeway in L.A., where I live, 85-90 mph with about a million other people, and a million cops come out of a million bushes and stop EVERYONE on the freeway and give them a ticket. That's fair. You teach in a public high school and you've got thirty students talking and disrupting class and you ask them all to be quiet, some do, but they all don't. You've gotta bust somebody because its one against thirty and its not gonna be fair. Its human nature. Be a big irritant and get more attention. Drive faster, be louder, get attention, get busted.

Forgive? I've forgiven all personal enemies but two, and I doubt I can ever find it in my heart to take those assholes back. (Both child abuse issues).

Pettiness is common, but doesn't happen often in me. I usually have cause to be bothered.


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miss_american_pie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 06:59 PM
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21. Fair's a place you take your pig
And I'm not at all sure how it relates to forgiveness. Pettiness sure, but in a fair world we wouldn't need forgiveness.
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 08:06 PM
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22. Depends on how you define 'fair'
Fox News calls itself 'fair'...right?
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