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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:02 AM
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Name a successful painter who is worse than Thomas Kinkade
You know, that "painter of light" clown ...

http://www.thomaskinkade.com/magi/servlet/com.asucon.ebiz.catalog.web.tk.CatalogServlet

Go ahead. I defy you.

Bake
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:03 AM
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1. Why don't you just asking me to name a president shittier than Bush
:cry:
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:06 AM
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4. OK, name a president shittier than Bush ... I defy you!
:rofl:

Wait, that's no laughing matter.

Bake
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:09 AM
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7. Whoever was the president of Enron when it went under?
:shrug:

You never said president of the US. :P
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:11 AM
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9. OK, he WAS shitty. But shittier than Bush?
C'mon now. Really. Close but no cigar. Did he (K. Lay) start any WARS?

Bake
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:11 AM
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10. Damn, you got a point.
In terms of sheer amounts of lives lost or ruined he can't compare.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:13 AM
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11. Jefferson Davis. He managed to split a nation and start a war.
Millions dead to preserve an abomination.

:grr:

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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:15 AM
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12. Yeah, well, John Wilkes Booth was from Maryland too.
Don't you have a tollbooth to knock over?

:rofl:

Bake
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:17 AM
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13. Nice post, Bake...
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:20 AM
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23. Thanks!
We aim to please.

Bake
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:51 AM
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18. Not really
The nation was already split when he became president. He was more like the Captain of the Titanic.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:22 AM
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24. And didn't the Yankees start the war in the first place
Who fired the first shot at Fort Sumter?

But wait just a minute, dammit ... we're supposed to be talkin' about ART here!

Bake
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:00 PM
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38. Hehe! If you're trying to turn your little art thread into the towering inferno, that's a good start
:rofl:
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:53 AM
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34. Reagan. At best it was a tie. nt
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:59 PM
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49. I despise Reagan, but at least some of his advisors were competent
This clown hasn't made a strong pick yet.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:46 PM
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57. Depends on what you think he was choosing them to do.
Edited on Wed May-21-08 01:47 PM by jobycom
Bush's main circle of advisers, counting Cheney (though he's more of the leader than the adviser) have done exactly what Bush wanted to do. They've successfully started wars, ruined the economy, run up the deficit, and left things in bad shape for the Democrats, while creating much wealth for their own people. From his perspective, his advisers have done their jobs.

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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:25 PM
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55. James Buchanan
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:32 PM
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61. Buchanan? Get real!
A lightweight compared to Raygun and *.

Bake
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:05 AM
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2. Basquiat
I mean, come on!

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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:08 AM
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6. Did you steal that from my refrigerator door?
And gimme back my magnets.

:hi:

Bake
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:49 AM
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33. Beg to differ. That is so much better than Kincaid.
Even if my son could probably draw that, I'd rather have it hanging in my house that ANYTHING painted by Kincaid.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:57 PM
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91. well, sure. We could all DRAW it, but could we come up with the concept?
Now that we've seen it, I guess we'll never know!
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:07 AM
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110. Hey -- How did you get my 4 year old son's painting?
I think I have that one hanging on the fridge!!
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:36 AM
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112. I'm a big fan of Basquiat's work.
Kinkaid, not so much.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:37 AM
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113. So THAT's his kind of work, huh?
Is he like latter-day PopArt?
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:05 AM
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3. Leroy Neiman?
mikey_the_rat
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:07 AM
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5. No, dude, Nieman's cool!
You just don't appreciate great art! Gots no taste. No suave and debonair.

:hi:

Bake
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:10 AM
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8. I'm so suave, I've swarthy, but Neiman don't do it for me.
Edited on Wed May-21-08 10:13 AM by mikeytherat
Best line from the movie "Top Secret" during prisoner interrogation:

"Should we bring out the Leroy Neiman paintings?"

"No, we don't want to risk violating the Geneva Conventions."

mikey_the_rat

(on edit: While I am not a fan, Neiman is, without question, leagues beyond "The Painter of Light." A special, soft-focus and pastel-hued Hell awaits that man.)
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:31 PM
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129. I agree; all of Neiman's work sucks...except for "Femlin"
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:22 AM
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14. The first one that came to mind was Wyland (the 'Artist of the Sea'),
at least in terms of self-promotion and group-think following, but when I google-searched to confirm the spelling I found that the artist of the sea is involved in a lot of redeeming activism and education. (Plus, his work isn't as bad as Kinkade.)

So I'm stumped - I really think your challenge is unsolveable.

(That said, I'll argue that anyone after Duchamp whose medium is 'found art' is a complete poser, but I can't think of a successful example.)
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:25 AM
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25. I agree.
But Kinkade comes in first.

I can't stand either of them.

BUT - Wyland does do positive work for preservation of cetaceans ---- I have a friend who has several Wyland signed things on his walls and I want to hurl whenever I gaze upon them.


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cemaphonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:42 PM
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41. Right, I was trying to remember his name
He sounds like a good guy, but his art still sucks. It works the other way all the time after all.

As for Duchamp, aside from the Dadaist shock value stuff, he could actually paint too. I love his "Nude Descending a Staircase."
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:23 AM
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15. Any artist whose work gets a reaction out of you has done his or her job effectively.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:48 AM
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17. Kinkade
is a fucking hack.

I loath his spineless shit.

A reaction? Paleeeeze.

I get a reaction from Taco Bell food does that make their bean burritos "art?"

I would rather have my eyes poked out than ever have one of his sweet, lil' lit cottages hanging on a wall in my house.

Puke.
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:44 AM
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31. I think if it makes you happy, hang it on your wall
However, people act like Kinkade dreamed up the light trick. Obviously, they've never seen -- oh, I don't know -- Rembrandt.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:41 PM
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40. Wow, that elevates his paintings far beyond anything I would have given him credit for.
Edited on Wed May-21-08 12:42 PM by jobycom
When I first read the post you responded to, I thought, Art that gets a reaction is only defined as successful if it's trying to get a reaction of the nature it generates. If Pollock is trying to make people think about lines and motion, for instance, and someone says 'That's not art, it's just a bunch of scribbling,' then he's at least made someone think about lines and motion, even if the thoughts aren't flattering or sophisticated. But if my kid draws a dog and I say "Nice car, sweetheart," then she's failed as an artist because I don't recognize that she wasn't trying to draw a car. Thus, Kincade getting people to say 'Wow, that's exactly the same as every other thing you've painted, and the only statement you seem to be making is that you can draw framed wallpaper,' then he's not accomplished anything artistic, though I guess he's done what he started out to do--sell wall decorations.

But reading your strong reaction, I think I've changed my mind. I guess he is doing something I hadn't really noticed before if his works anger people so artistically that they'd rather poke their eyes out than hang his paintings, and that he's called a "fucking hack." To me, Kincade generates boredom and apathy. To you, he generates intense passion, and that's what an artist does. Your anger seems to be directed at his technique, his style, his subject, which makes his technique, style, and subject a statement of sorts, about what is and isn't art. To me, he wasn't really an artist because he was dull and repetitive. But to you, there's something else going on, so now my opinion changes.

Now I'm depressed. I'll never look at a Kincade gallery the same again. I still won't get excited by his work, but I'll probably chuckle a little at the outrage he causes. I'm iconoclastic enough to love seeing the icons of iconoclasm destroyed.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:49 PM
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45. 'zackly.

:thumbsup:

And, well done. Heh.

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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:02 PM
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68. But I like
Jack the Dripper.

I can't give Kinkade less credit. It isn't possible.

There is a web site http://littleredboat.co.uk/?p=2306 that speaks to this.

I loath him the same way I loath cranked out hack writing or music.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:54 PM
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46. Does "reaction" include a gag reflex?
Enquiring minds want to know.

Bake
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:03 PM
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52. Yep.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:33 AM
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16. Anne Geddes
If you can call that art.
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:02 AM
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20. Wow - that I was not familiar with. I think you've made a powerful case...
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TCJ70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:53 AM
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35. You win. n/t
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:32 AM
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107. That's photography, not painting.
Otherwise, yeah, definitely.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/34766
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:16 AM
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120. Oops, I was thinking of artists in general
And I use the term artists very, very loosely here.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:08 AM
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111. I hate that shit.
Good call...
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:57 AM
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19. i completely capitulate. there is none worse in our time. even bill alexander
at least brought the joy of self expression to millions, pretty much for free.
i was on my first cruise last week, and was appalled to find that they had a daily art auction of some of the most ridiculous work. needless to say, they had an entire auction one day of kindcaides. no amount of free champaign could get me near that shit. even if they had cracked the bottles of moet that they put out as bait.
i have a BIL that thinks this guy is art. one more reason to stay home on thanksgiving.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:19 AM
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22. Was that the white guy with the 'fro on PBS?
He kinda rawked ...

Bake
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:30 AM
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26. no, he was before that guy. little fat austrian guy,
with a heavy accent. had pet names for his paint brushes. he had a big housepainter's brush that he called his 'almighty brush'. i don't remember the rest of them. did went on wet oil. finished a picture, mostly landscapes, in half an hour.
he did rawk as a person, but he painted some pretty damn sappy pictures. his motto, tho, was that anyone could do it. he helped me through the years when i thought there was no way i was good enough.
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:41 AM
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30. The "happy little tree" guy. He was kinda cool.
I had an elementary teacher who was just like him ('fro and all).

mikey_the_rat
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:56 AM
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37. Bob Ross?
Oh man, I love Bob Ross for what he did for the aspiring artist--made 'em believe they really COULD make art for themselves, instead of just paint-by-numbers crap.

Okay, Ross paintings are kinda...well, quaint, but they're still a thousand times better than Kinkades. I wouldn't hire that fucking guy to paint my bathroom. He sucks as an artist, he's running a major swindle (that "Master's Touch" shit means he hires guys who made the nut painting copies of poker-playing dog pictures on canvas, has them churn out as many copies of his shitty paintings as he can, then dabs three dots of paint on the picture and doubles the price because, of course, the Great Kinkade added his magic to this painting) and rips off his independent gallery owners. And he's a bigtime fundie.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:57 PM
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48. OK, now you're scaring me.
You know way too much about Kinkade ...

Bake
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:49 AM
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116. Bob Ross was a great artist.
Maybe not for what he painted, but for what he inspired in people.

He got people to paint. I'm very fond of Bob Ross inspired artwork. People who would never have painted were encouraged by his shows, and many went on to develop their own artistic personalities.

Bob Ross is the originator of a true American Folk Art.
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BarenakedLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:03 AM
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21. Can't think of any.
Edited on Wed May-21-08 11:22 AM by BarenakedLady
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:32 AM
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27. I found something
It took a while digging through my memory bank - My sister had a copy of this on her wall when I was a kid - It gave me nightmares:


http://www.keane-eyes.com/

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:35 AM
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29. OMG!
I remember seeing that at a friend's house. Wasn't there a companion painting with a little boy?
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:41 PM
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95. I think there were a whole bunch of 'em; creepy little things. I had
one that was dressed as a harlequin when I was about 8; got it for my b-day. It was weird.
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:38 AM
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104. Somebody downthread posted the one I remembered
I remember these on the walls of friends rooms from like '70-'75 timeframe.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:47 PM
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58. Whoa!
That's some scary shit! :scared:
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:44 PM
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96. That is what I was thinking, but I could not remember the
name. Those kids with the big eyes -- awful.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:38 AM
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114. Someone gave me a doll made to look like that painting when I was a kid.
It had the tear on the cheek and everything. I was horrified.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:40 PM
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125. Huh. I know an artist, Sas Christian, that does similar work.
Here's her website: http://www.hotboxdesigns.com/



I have a print of one of her paintings. This one, to be precise:

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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:33 AM
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28. I know I'll be flamed: I think Jackson Pollock's work looks like it came from a day care
Put a canvas on the floor. Drip paint on it. Sell it to people with more money than sense.

Hell-- My 4yo could do that
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:03 PM
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39. Then let your 4 year old do it.
Those people with more money than sense are still out there, giving it to someone else. Take it! :)
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:42 PM
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42. No -- then I have to give the canvasses to the grandparents -- you know how that works.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:46 PM
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43. Ah, there's the flaw. I knew it couldn't be that simple. Consider yourself lucky
My parents live so far away that it's difficult to just give them my kids' works, so they pile up in closets and drawers and beneath thumbtacks. Pull one of them out of the bottom of a drawer and toss it in the trash, though, and your kids look at you as though you took a hammer to the David. Maybe nearby grandparents would be a better disposal system.
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:55 PM
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47. Every 3 months, stuff an envelope full your kids art, and send it parcel post
It's cheap, no one feels betrayed, the grandparents get warm and tingly -- it's all good -- and the work is probably more artistically valuable than a Kinkade (I feel bad saying that -- I have a close friend who owns a Kinkade and is very proud of it).

Personally, I like Western art (Remington especially). The artist who did my presidents-playing-poker signature painting (Andy Thomas)also does a lot of Western themed art. I enjoy it. Others would consider it --- as you put it -- framed wall paper. I love Dali; I can't tell you how many people I meet that can't stand him. I remember in Miami in the 80s when Botero was all the rage. I like Botero, but how many chubby people can you paint? I guess my point is that if you're not hanging it in my house -- go ahead and get a Kinkade.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:42 PM
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56. I have only one artist's works hanging in my house
My brother's. No one has heard of him, he's never sold anything, they aren't very good beyond a decent mastery of the very basics, and they were basically projects for a college art class he took, so they are a bare step above paint-by-numbers. But he gave them to me, and for reasons I don't want to divulge, that means more than it seems to me.

I try to appreciate every artist for what they are trying to do rather than what others have done in the past or what others think about them. That doesn't mean I appreciate them all equally, or even like them all. Because of that, I like Pollock, and I don't hate Kincade, though he has never excited me much, beyond the first time I saw him, in that time I was looking at his work for what he was trying to do. But only my brother's art goes on my walls.

People who hate artists and entertainers confuse me. Hate is a powerful emotion, and I don't waste it on people I can walk away from, change the station on, or just not walk into a gallery of. I reserve it almost exclusively for bullies, politicians, paparazzi, and others who use power to cause real harm to others.

Just my two cents, because it's more fun to whine than to do the work I'm supposed to be doing.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:09 PM
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86. There was a recent commercial
that I saw that I will pass on to you. In this commercial, parents had a similar conundrum to yours--too much art from the kids.

So they bought a digital camera, took photos of every single piece of art the parents had from the kids, and then had the kids pick out only a couple of their very favorites, and they made a slide show of all the other pieces, and disposed of tons of other works. That way, the kids knew that the parents liked their work, they got to keep some, and the house got neater again.

Just thought you might like that solution. :)
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:31 PM
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79. Agreed.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:47 AM
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32. I'd say Anne Geddes is up there
with Kincade, but I'll add a few more. Unfortunately, I don't have names for some of them.

The guy who has made his living off Dogs playing Poker.

The person who made/makes their living off those really horrendous big eyed cats and dogs. You've seen them, now try to tear your mind away from them.

The artist who designed anything for the Creationism Museum

Christo Javacheff

Jeff Koons

Margaret D. H. Keane
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:14 PM
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72. C.M. Coolidge was GREAT, man!


People talk shit about this piece, but they don't realize just how important a work this really is. It's very accessible, everyone likes this painting, but you can read your own story into the art.

I learned just tonight about how this painting was used to raise civilian morale during World War II. The bulldog with the cigar is Winston Churchill. The dog to his left is the United States; the ace the Churchill dog is slipping to the brown dog is all the help Churchill gave the United States, under the table of course. The dog to the left of the US is the Soviet Union. He tries to grab the US' attention, just not successfully. The brindle Doberman with the pipe is Hitler, who watches the other dogs warily.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:38 PM
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82. The DOgs/Poker paintings were commissioned in 1903
hardly Churchill and US a la WWII.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogs_Playing_Poker

Dogs Playing Poker (DPP) refers collectively to a series of sixteen oil paintings by C. M. Coolidge, commissioned in 1903 by Brown & Bigelow to advertise cigars.<1> All the paintings in the series feature anthropomorphized dogs, but the nine in which dogs are seated around a card table have become derisively well-known in the United States as examples of manly working-class taste in home decoration. Critic Annette Ferrara describes DPP as "indelibly burned into (the American collective-schlock subconscious) through incessant reproduction on all manner of pop ephemera."<2>

Also, Coolidge died in 1934
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassius_Marcellus_Coolidge
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:26 PM
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84. Call it reinterpretation
When Coolidge painted "A Friend in Need," the bulldog was just slipping an ace to his friend to the left. It was during WWII that someone ascribed the meaning I described to the piece.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:04 PM
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85. I'm afraid they don't do a thing for me
but maybe it's a guy thing. (Don't want to offend other women, though--I'll quite understand if it's just my taste in art!)

And I forgot--I HATE clown art, too. :P
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:56 AM
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36. Does it have to be a painter? Because Jackson's "Lord of the Rings" sucked worse, and for the same
reasons, if you allow movies as art.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:59 PM
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50. No, we're keeping it painters for this one (well, and presidents)
But feel free to start your own thread.

Bake
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:01 PM
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51. HA! And you said *I'd* get flamed over the Jefferson Davis stuff!
Go ahead, I dare ya to start a separate thread on Jackson's LOTR ...

:popcorn:

Bake
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:50 PM
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59. Timid crowd today, isn't it?
Both of us have walked up to the bar, found the baddest MF standing there, spit in his eye and insulted his religion. And he just ignored us. :shrug: Maybe we should head to GD:P.

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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:55 PM
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60. No shit! What a bunch of wimps!
Or maybe GD-P has made us stronger ...








NAH!!!!!

Bake
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:48 PM
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44. I don't believe there is one worse
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:11 PM
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53. There's been some really awful stuff of bush. Uber patriotic and er...manly.
If you know what I mean.

:puke:
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:11 PM
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54. A few come to mind:

Julien Schnabel


Lucien Freud

Both of these paintings are worth more than $5M. :wtf:
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Flaxbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:20 PM
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73. no, no, no. Schnabel is shit, but Freud is interesting.
Might not be 'beautiful' in a traditional way, but interesting.

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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:38 PM
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94. See...I almost feel the opposite.
Schnabel would be good if he wasn't so egotistical and arrogant or minimally if it didn't come through in his paintings. I just think Freud is terrible and tries to hide how bad he really is by uglying up the work further. Anybody can paint the Queen of England and make her look like Moe Howard with stubble in a bad wig...it takes talent to actually capture how ugly she is.
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Flaxbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:50 AM
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123. lol - she does look like she has stubble --

and I don't really think Schnabel is shit, but his work doesn't really 'jibe' with me the way Freud's does. And Schnabel is an arrogant turd - though The Diving Bell and Butterfly (his movie, though I suspect you know that - not trying to be pedantic, just clear) - really was supposed to be excellent. But arrogant turdliness does tend to affect my opinion of someone's work.

I love abstraction - Rothko, Pollock, Tapies, Marden - but it has dawned on me recently that I also really love portraiture, and I am kind of fascinated by Freud as I am by Chuck Close's portraits.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:35 PM
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62. Cristo sucks
Unlike Kincade, the world is his shitty canvas. :P
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cemaphonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:57 PM
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63. Agreed
Conceptual art can be cool, but as far as I can tell the concept behind Cristo's art seems to be arranging enough financing and bureaucratic wrangling to become a big public nuisance. I read a long interview with him once where he gave about a sentence to what he was trying to express, and paragraphs about fundraising and permits.
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greendog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:51 PM
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88. ~ !








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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:52 PM
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89. I rest my case
n/t
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greendog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:28 PM
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92. OK, I'll make my case.
Here's a real cool video that explains Christo's work in the context of western Art History:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:35 PM
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64. How about this?
Edited on Wed May-21-08 06:36 PM by Dyedinthewoolliberal
:)
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:47 PM
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66. Sorry, man. It's better than a Kinkade.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:32 AM
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108. I like it. nt
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:36 PM
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65. sorry, i can't
he's the absolute worst.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:00 PM
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67. Don't knock it, this is replacing the black velvet paintings!
Edited on Wed May-21-08 07:03 PM by lunatica
And the ones with the dogs playing poker, the ones with the little kids with freaky big eyes and the ones of clowns!

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deucemagnet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:22 PM
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74. Black velvet has kitsch value, which Kinkade can only aspire to.
Sorry, but even black velvet is better than Kinkade.

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LucyParsons Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:05 PM
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69. Rothko
:hide:
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:10 PM
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70. You must not understand abstract expressionism then
Rothko is the epitome of that art genre! What can be more of an expression of abstract art than to paint color?

I don't agree at all.
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LucyParsons Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:14 PM
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71. I have a master's in art history
I just don't like Rothko

;)
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:23 PM
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75. Are you kidding about Rothko being worse than Kincaid?
I understand not liking him, but to think he's worse than creepy artists like the childen with huge eyes????
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LucyParsons Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:28 PM
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76. Yes, of course I'm kidding
But I'm also sort of making a point. I don't like Rothko because it's all about concept and not about execution. His work, like so many modernists and postmodernists, shows no talent and only a little originality. I think he is extremely overrated.

I wouldn't fault anyone for liking his work on purely aesthetic terms, though - just like some people, inexplicably to me, want to hang Thomas Kincade in their living rooms. To each her own.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:38 PM
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81. I'm an art major too, so naturally I got alarmed
But I definitely see your point.

peace
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:13 AM
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99. I get nothing from seeing a Rothko.
I've been to the Rothko Chapel and seen all those gloomy nearly black paintings.

I don't get it.

I think, "No wonder the guy killed himself!".

If I painted stuff that gloomy, I'd be depressed as hell too.

I saw where somebody had written in the visitor's book at the Rothko Chapel, "This is a happy place".

I think it's very sombre and depressing. How anyone can think Rothko's work is happy is beyond me.

And yes, I took Art History in College and enjoyed it immensely.
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Genevieve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:28 PM
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77. Kincaid does not paint children with big eyes-he paints towns, houses,
like Hallmark cards.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:37 PM
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80. I know
This is about finding stuff that's worse than Kincade. I think the children with big eyes are worse, though I think Kincade is just barely better. All that sugary sweet fake depiction is pretty bad.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:31 PM
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78. I'm going to get flamed for this, but...
Bob Ross.

The dude was awesome, but if it wasn't a mountain, some water, some clouds, and some trees, the dude was up shit creek.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:43 PM
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83. that's formula painting
It's almost like painting with numbers. Here's how you paint a mountain...dab, dab, dab, smear, stroke, voila. Here's how you paint trees...dab, dab, scrunch, flick, voila. It's to art what romance novels are to literature. A genre with very specific rules and plots and denouements.

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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:17 AM
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100. damn, you beat me to it.....By the way, how would he have...
Edited on Thu May-22-08 01:19 AM by blitzen
talked, in his soothing and gentle manner, about the proper technique for depicting "shit creek"?

Dude was indeed awesome, though.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:18 AM
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121. Bob Ross created a new American folk art.
Kinkade is an old fashioned snake oil salesman.



"Meth Lab in the Woods"


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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:37 AM
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122. Meth lab is an awesome political statement, unlike some happy fucking clouds and trees
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:29 PM
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124. Art doesn't have to make a political statement.
Sometimes happy fucking clouds and trees are just that -- a simple artistic expression of fucking happy.

I don't understand why art has to be deeply infused with any meaning. I'd even forgive Kinkade for his art if he was doing it just for fun, and not using it as a means of ripping off people who live in perpetual intelectual darkness.

This painting makes me happy, and I think that's the meaning of it.



http://www.moma.org/collection/printable_view.php?object_id=79124

Of course some people can make politics out of anything...

"In 1913, a pernicious little busybody named M. Blair Coan spied on visitors to an art exhibit in Chicago. Coan, an investigator for the State Vice Commission, was upset by the "immorality" of modern paintings and suspected that Matisse's painting of nude dancers might even be "attracting the gaze of young girls."

http://illustrationart.blogspot.com/2007_08_01_archive.html

Bob Ross and his art made people happy. Unlike Kinkade, Ross didn't pretend he had any special gift from God that made his art unique and valuable, in fact Ross claimed that most anyone could paint like he did, and people did it too with a wonderful diversity of talent.

"Meth Lab in the Forest" is not only a political illustration of the rotting away of God Blessed America of which Kinkade plays part in, but it also mocks Kinkade's self described "talent."
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:22 PM
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87. I hate that fucking asshole.
The next town over turned their dilapidated downtown into an "arts district" and lots of local artists opened galleries and sold their wares.

Then the Fucktard Of Light Beer opened a "gallery" there with his mass-produced paint-by-numbers crap, and undersold all the local people.

Now there are almost no local artists in the "arts district."

Fuck Thomas Wal-Mart Kinkade.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:52 AM
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109. I love you
for this post.

I am in total, absolute agreement.

You are invited for the holidays. It's fun. Not a republican in the bunch. (they all died.) :pals:
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cloudbase Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:57 PM
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90. Jackson Pollock.
I'm amazed at the number of suckers who consider this shit worth anything, artistically or monetarily. I've washed better looking stuff of my motorcycle's windscreen after a day of riding through the love bugs.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:10 AM
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118. I wish I knew in elementary school that dripping paint all over a canvas was considered art!
I would have told off my teacher who criticized my attempts to paint as being sloppy.
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:33 PM
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93. I don't think you can get any worse than Kinkade.
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ThingsGottaChange Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:59 PM
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97. Somebody shoot me now!
Here's his latest slop



See it in all its glory!!! http://www.thomaskinkade.com/magi/daytona/home.do?link=Daytona_2008/DAYTONA_home

Please excuse me for a moment...:puke: :puke: :puke:
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:30 AM
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103. At least it's not a freaking cottage
If I were a NASCAR guy (which I'm not), I could see wanting that in my man-lounge.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:19 AM
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106. Wow. I wonder a picture of Fonzie and the Shark would look like.
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leftyclimber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:41 AM
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115. I can't stop laughing.
It looks like the Air Force is bombing NASCAR. :rofl:
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:11 AM
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119. That's exactly what I pulled out of it
And the crowd cheers. :rofl:
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galledgoblin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:46 PM
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127. I... I would have pegged that as a parody... (n/t)
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:27 PM
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98. There is NO painter worse than kinkade. None. He is the BOTTOM.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:20 AM
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101. Margaret Keane
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:23 AM
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102. Not exactly a painter, but Todd Goldman.
Not just a shitty "artist," but a plagarist as well.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:40 AM
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105. Suprisingly, I like parts of his work...
not the whole paintings themselves but bits and pieces...

:blush:
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dropkickpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:06 AM
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117. Sam Butcher
Perpetrator of that precious moments crap. I sorta like a lot of Margaret Keane's stuff, a lot has a kinda creepy undertone, Butcher's stuff is just awful.


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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:00 PM
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130. And HE ripped off an artist from the '70s, can't remember her name
but she did these little figures, very similar to these, but not QUITE as awful, and this crap is almost a direct copy of those drawings/posters/figurines/etc.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:45 PM
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126. pati bannister
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:00 AM
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132. They all look like Children of the Corn.
:scared:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:55 AM
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134. Aren't they awful
She has made a living selling those, its a status thing to have a bannister (or was) - I always thought they looked like those big eyed cats/dogs/clowns of the 70's -

:scared:

:hi: :hug:
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:25 PM
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128. Takashi Murakami ...
I honestly hate his infantile crap more than I hate Kinkade's hokum.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:02 PM
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131. You win. There is none.
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:24 AM
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133. I'm gonna say an unpopular thing here.
Edited on Fri May-23-08 02:25 AM by Heidi
"Successful" is a subjective term, just as "artist" and "worse" are subjective terms.

If person says he/she is an artist, I consider that person an artist. I may not personally enjoy that person's art or want to hang it in my home, but there are many, many artists whose work I respect but would not necessarily want to own.

Kinkade's work draws a "meh" from me, but I do recognize that he's at least technically proficient and that he produces art that others enjoy.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:40 AM
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139. Thank you, Heidi. Well said.

And my sentiments as well.


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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:54 AM
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135. Japanese anime is the direct descendent of the Keane pictures
the same giant eye problem



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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:11 AM
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137. Indeed it is...and that's why Takashi Murakami got my vote for being even worse than Kinkade
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:05 AM
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136. How 'bout this one?



Oh, wait, he wasn't successful as an artist, so he went into politics.






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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:36 AM
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138. The real question is someone else that ignorant people think is a great artist
By ignorant people I mean those who know nothing about art from a standpoint of art history or the modern fine art scene/industry. Kinkade is a successful mass market crap producer. He's not an artist.

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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:42 AM
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140. Anne Geddes is not a painter
And true, she does not suck more than Kinkade

But she does suck. She's the suckiest photographer that ever sucked a suck.
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