Just a reminder: Four wheel drive does not help on ICE, morans!!

[TZ]

GRRRRRR. Idiots.:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[mikeytherat]

1. Yes it does! You can get into trouble twice as fast!

Possibly even faster, as you assume yer 4x4, like you, is invincible. Now, let me get the tow-rope out of my old real-wheel drive BMW, and we'll see if we can pull you out of that ditch.

mikey_the_rat

[madinmaryland]

2. Was that you sliding down the highway in your HUGH SUV??

:rofl:

:hi:

[lizerdbits]

5. She's got 3 and she wrecked them all!

:rofl:

[TZ]

9. That looks like Great Seneca yesterday afternoon

I had an SUV race past me, only to end up in the grass about 2 miles farther down the road.
:rofl:

[lizerdbits]

16. That happened to me when we worked on Med Ctr Drive

I was being tailgated on GS near the light for 370, SUV whizzes by, about a mile later I pass him standing on the sidewalk staring at his vehicle in shock as it's also on the sidewalk. Damn that was funny to drive by! :rofl:

[TZ]

8. No but was that you

TAILGATING me in the ice this morning?!:P

[lizerdbits]

3. You should also have your lights on when it's raining/freezing rain

Especially if your car is SILVER. Just a shout out to the asshole on 270 I almost merged into because I couldn't see him/her.

[Nickster]

4. Boy, tell me about it! My AWD didn't do crap for me this morning. It does help a ton with not gettin

bogged down in the snow, but ice is a whole different story. This morning was all about the ABS and traction control. Is it spring yet?

[bullwinkle428]

6. We've had insane amounts of snow in Iowa this winter, and I'm

getting to the point where I just laugh at the disproportionate number of SUVs and 4x4 pickups that end up in the roadside ditches!!

One incident in particular - I was driving back home late this past Saturday evening, and was taking this winding rural road back to my town, which is hilly in addition to being twisty. Anyway, one particular section of this road has a near-90° bend right where the hill crests, and is a prime spot for spin-outs as people come up to the bend too fast (50 mph zone) and can't negotiate it. Anyway, there was some tremendous wind blowing, and a lot of snow had drifted across the road in this spot making it slick. There were 5 VEHICLES that had spun off the road and gotten stuck in the ditches/snowbanks - one little sub-compact, one full-size pickup, and THREE SUVs!!!!

I felt like doing my impersonation of Edward G. Robinson in the "The Ten Commandments" - "Where's your messiah nooooooowwwwwwwww???" :rofl:

[Orsino]

7. Helps ED,though, apparently. n/t

[Maine-ah]

10. yeah, 'cause I have such a problem with that.....

actually, 4wd does help on ice. Maybe not a whole lot if you hit a patch of it while driving, but to get out of my drive way I'd match up my 4wd to any vehicle without it. You'd never get out, while in the mean time, I have slapped into 4L and got out no problem.

[Orsino]

17. I recall the ice storm in the winter of '95-96...

...when I spent a week driving back and forth, at about two miles per hour in a Toyota Paseo, looking at all the 4WD vehicles stuck in the ditches.

4WD is a tool that provides a false sense of security, and should not be used on ice by the untrained.

[Maine-ah]

19. only if you're an idiot

does it provide a false sense of security. I have gone off the road in non-4wd, and 4wd. Small cars and big cars. It's all about the conditions of the road and the experience of the driver. Yes, there are idiots out there, but there are idiots driving in all sorts of cars. I had a saab riding my ass the other day, while I was taking it easy in my 4wd. I watched another vehicle pass a city plow truck..

[hobbit709]

11. It's fun when we get a half inch of snow in Austin

The idiots on MoPac drive at 70 when it's clear, they drive at 70 when it's raining, and they attempt to drive at 70 when it's freezing. And when you see one start to skid-what's the first thing you see-the brake lights come on. When sliding on snow and ice the brake pedal does not exist in my book. It also helps to have a standard transmission.

[Solon]

12. That reminds me of one time I was on the highway...

On my way to my parents' house for Christmas eve. There was almost foot or possibly more of snow on the ground, and the highway(I-70) wasn't plowed yet. Because of this, the max speed on the highway was maybe 30 instead of the normal 70 mph. My car was a 1989 Toyota Celica, and the snow was high enough that I was almost plowing through it, it was scraping against the undercarriage, you could, uhm, feel it.

I was in the left lane, mostly to avoid the slipping and sliding cars that enter and exit the highway on the right side exits. Anyways, I was following behind a truck ahead of me, trying to keep my car tires in his tracks. The truck ahead of me, apparently, wanted to go faster, so he kicked on his four wheel drive. I know this because all of the sudden snow kicked up from all four tires. Immediately after that, he slipped perfectly sideways, right into the ditch on the left side. Didn't flip or anything, it wasn't that steep, just a gap of grass between the 4 lanes on our side of the highway, and the 4 lanes going the other way on the other side of the highway.

[LostinVA]

13. Don't you HATE that???

They think their tires have asphalt magnets... there's a reason why so many of the flipped vehicles I see are SUVs.

[LiberalEsto]

21. There's a second reason

SUV owners, by and large, are assholes

Ever watch one of these imbeciles trying to park their giant gas pig with one hand while yapping away on the phone with the other?

They don't know how to park, and the vast majority drive with one hand while yammering on their cellphones with the other. And of course they are totally selfish about gas consumption.

[Burma Jones]

14. So, I'm on the Springfield flyover and one of the salt spreader trucks

slides and smashes into the concrete barrier standing between us and a 60+ foot plunge onto the inner loop.....A motorist that had gotten out of his car to look over the scene was damn near squashed as he slipped on the ice and the salt truck came about 2 or 3 yards from smashing him against the wall.

I was stopped over three hours at the top of the ramp.....

So, even salt spreaders slip

[TZ]

18. I heard it was bad in the mixing bowl last night.

I heard on the radio about someone having a NINE HOUR commute last night.
This morning I saw a salt spreader stopped right before an overpass. That was scary. But I made it accross okay....:scared:

[Horse with no Name]

15. That thingy under my Jeep that supports the 4-wheel drive

Can't remember what it is called, but it dropped out from under me like a rock while I was driving.
Took out the 4WD.
I had it fixed (was $1500) and have been too terrified to even put it in 4WD to see if it works,lol.

[Atman]

20. Ironically, it's the damn "safety" features that cause this

We just bought a new Sante Fe (and LOVE it, one of the best cars ever -- even Consumer Reports loved it), and it's got Electronic Stability Control and AWD...when the road gets icy, the computers do so much to correct for your slipping wheels that you often don't even notice you're slipping. Without all the gizmos, you'd get feedback from the car that something wasn't right...now, a computer literally controls the speed of each wheel, and you don't know wtf is going on down there. The ESC on the Santa Fe is great, for NORMAL bad conditions, but on ice it can freak out (so you can turn it off). The sensors actually will brake the wheels (or even speed 'em up) to keep everything moving in sync, so by the time you realize you're on black ice, you're probably already in the median. I just discovered the beauty of locking the AWD, too. Didn't realize how much of difference it makes it snow. All that said, if you know how to drive, there is simply no reason to be laying upside down in a ditch. It just takes a little common sense. "Ice bad." End of lesson.

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[NoGOPZone]

22. Ice sucks

Unless you've got tire chains or studded tires, you're screwed.

[KG]

23. Florida Rocks!!!!