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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:19 PM
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I'm starting to believe that we're ALL wrong in our world views...
and that to claim that we are incontrovertibly correct about anything is a display of tremendous ego.

So, I invite you to please convince me how I'm wrong about this.

;)

~Writer the Ironic Theorist~
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:23 PM
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1. You're assuming, of course...
...that any of us are really here, and that the whole elaborate pantomime isn't just a shadowplay on the walls of the Abyss.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:26 PM
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4. But if we're not here, then why do we so vehemently insist on our righteousness?
:shrug:
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:28 PM
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8. Like everything else,...
...it's just a side effect of random motion in the quantum foam over cosmic scales. In an infinite universe, everything is possible. And nothing is.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:29 PM
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12. who is this "we" you are speaking about?
seems like circumscription of the topic is needed here.

or qualification at the very least
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:31 PM
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14. Okay. Here's my qualification:
I like playing along with Kutjara's posts.

Got it? ;)

~Writer~
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:34 PM
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16. i was actually interested in the topic you presented
just trying to get a better fix on what you mean.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:23 PM
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2. Well, yeah - according to your worldview - which is shit, I might add - of course.
Edited on Wed Jan-02-08 07:23 PM by Rabrrrrrr
My worldview, though, is not wrong.

:P
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lost-in-nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:25 PM
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3. Writer
its the
My way or the highway attitude....

sweetie

let it roll off your back.....
you know..... WE KNOW
no one is right.....
they can't be....
its against our grain
our values
our sense of mind.....
we ALL have opinions.....

this is my motto
TAKE WHAT YOU NEED
AND LEAVE THE REST....


PM me if you want my number.....

or send me yours.....


lost



:hug: :hug:
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:28 PM
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9. Oh wait... I think you may have mistaken the intent of my post...
this is not reflecting me personally or any issues I've had online. I like to toss out missives like this once in a while.

Because I'm an interminable geek.

But thank you!

~Writer~
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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:26 PM
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5. I can't say you're wrong, because I think you are correct.
Perception is interdependent upon so many things. We have our senses, and we have the physical impulses and pulses that interact with our senses. In my belief system this is called interdependent arising.

I can only claim to understand what I perceive, but I can never claim to perceive for others.

Proclaiming for others is the height of arrogance. Other than that, there is only the expression of opinion, and I always try to express my own with great humility.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:28 PM
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6. anyone who claims to be incontrovertibly correct (generally speaking)
is usually a very ignorant person and not worth the time anyway.

it's easier to pick your battles and let the small shit be small shit.
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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:28 PM
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7. Beer is good
That is incontrovertibly correct. What does incontrovertibly mean?
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:45 PM
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21. It means that if you are in a convertible car you are in control.
Obviously. :eyes:



:P
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:28 PM
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10. Live and let live
each society should be able to decide for themselves what their way of life is.

Bringing our culture and ideas and "values" to countries that don't want them has never worked.

so why would I convince you you are wrong...

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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:29 PM
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11. P.S. And just on the theoretical physics plane,
Edited on Wed Jan-02-08 07:30 PM by Mike03
of course, Einstein's theory of (special, in particular) relativity, along with Heisenberg's theory of uncertainty, would also argue against the premise of determinism.
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:30 PM
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13. I've pretty much always believed that actually...
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:32 PM
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15. You convinced me some time ago.
Along with some friends in a job placement center I know of.

IT is still hot, and it is a matter of adapting. I wish I wasn't so obtuse when you said it. Like you, I'm inclined to believe the job search staff than I am 95% of the people on tech discussion forums who just rant. They might have a point, but I believe there's more to what's going on than their surface claims.

I know some people write 'the world is flat', and right now I believe the world is being flattened. Once it is flat, we will become a competitive country again and we will prosper with good products. Indeed, the world is flat but with China's cutting itself off the map by its own toxic and broken products, it wouldn't take much for the US to get on form again.

Have faith, my dear. See beyond the immediate future. Try to ignore the fear and the temptations it bestows. And that isn't easy, but I am staying in budget and concentrating more on server and database management. With some initial success. Fuck the jock and its friend from the training class; all they did was disrupt like petty little militants who should enlist and go on the front lines. That's all THEY are good for; militants...

And in other ways, I've learned the fears I had were all gross misconceptions. Indeed, one of the craziest ones was that I - for a long time - believed I would die in 2007. It's 2008.

The present seems awkward, but there is a viable future for many of us.

:hug:

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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:35 PM
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17. That death thing...
I had this odd belief, too, in my late teens and early 20's that I would die when I was 25 years-old.

I'm now 32.

Odd, isn't it?
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:36 PM
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18. Nice thread Osama..
We are in fact a very egotistical country.
We push our way of life and our values on everyone else because Might makes Right.
The winners are always heroes and the losers are always villains.
We are not a perfect country.
I hope someone is working to fix this.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:38 PM
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19. Nice response, bin Laden.
;)

Happy New Year!

~Writer~
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 07:42 PM
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20. shhh!!
Infidel!! Get back in your Burka..
Greatest of New Years to you mon ami.
:D
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