Here's something I don't understand: Why all the hate for the emo kids?

[otherlander]

I mean, really, what's the big deal? So they talk about how much life sucks. So they're teenagers who go around displaying loud despair. Is it really any worse than being one of the countless middle-aged people who live lives of quiet despair? :shrug:

[Fire Walk With Me]

1. Middle-aged people in quiet despair don't want to be reminded of it?

Edit: Much less do something to fix it?

[LynzM]

2. I don't know.

I think maybe some people think that teenagers don't have enough stress or perspective to be exhibiting that kind of despair? In some cases, I might agree, but in many cases I'd beg to differ.

[GOPisEvil]

3. My problem with them are that many of them are poseurs!

They just wear the clothes and accessories, but in reality, they're just idiots who can't show any individuality. I've had it with the slacker look. I live in the home of the faux hipster/slacker and it's getting old.

Spelling edit.

[otherlander]

6. Texas?

There's a lot of emos in Texas? I wouldn't have guessed that...

[GOPisEvil]

9. In Austin?

Austin is the HOME of emo kids.

[Bucky]

26. Beg to differ. Here in Houston they're breeding like rabbits. Reproducing like pod aliens

And sticky like glue.

But shit, if I had to grow up in the world Dick Cheney re-engineered, I'd be all emo too.

[Rabrrrrrr]

57. I'm surprised Texas hasn't made it legal to hunt emos.

I was hoping they might take the initiative and lead the world in this. They're the one state that could do it.

[DS1]

70. someone put some eyeliner on Ty Pennington and dye his hair black

:rofl:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

4. is there really hatred for emo kids? i think its more a mocking of emo kids

[DS1]

5. because all their pictures are some derivative of this

[BarenakedLady]

65. I think that one is in my art class.

[RedCappedBandit]

7. Heres one reason..

Not to say I hate anybody.. but I think its kind of funny that these kids are always bragging about their individuality and creativity by refusing to conform to normal standards, but their only way of doing so is by .. conforming to pretty damn average standards..

[otherlander]

12. So when they reject normal standards

they just wind up conforming to a different set of standards. What counterculture HASN'T done that? :shrug:

[cloudbase]

24. Kind of like riders

of a certain brand of motorcycles.

[idgiehkt]

8. because Republicans are running the country

and emo are too smart to buy into the jingoism. They must be smited.

[JVS]

10. Yes. They should STFU

[graywarrior]

11. If I was 16 now, I'd be EMO.

Yep. Deal with it.

*snort*

[Oeditpus Rex]

13. I think it's a mass parental 'What do *you* have to complain about?'

Stereotypically, us older folk feed teens such crap as "These are the best years of your lives! Enjoy them! Some day, you'll realize how silly it was to think you had all these problems."

Bullshit. Being a teenager is tough. There's no way in 52 hells I'd do it again (unless the Knowing What I Know Now Machine was working) and I feel for those in the middle of it.

I'd much rather be around emo kids than a bunch of image-oriented junior doofi who stuff their true feelings.

[JVS]

15. Yes being a teenager is tough. But acting like a fucking shitbrick isn't going to help

If your inner feelings are unable to encompass anything better than this emo shit, then you're as lame as the junior doofi.

[DS1]

16. this isn't helping

yet, I posted it anyway

[JVS]

18. LOL!

[Oeditpus Rex]

19. Yeah, because 'Dude, I totally waxed that emo kid's ass'

is sooooooo freakin' kewl.

[JVS]

20. RAWK ON!

[porphyrian]

14. I hate sardines, the little fuckers.

The only thing I don't like about Emo, besides the music, is the attitude that it is somehow new and different from all the existing flavors of angst it steals from. But that's mild irritation, not hate.

[GOPisEvil]

17. Actually, I do have to say I like some of the music.

Going to shows is annoying sometimes though. :)

[Orsino]

21. I can't stand the little snots...

...with their scooters and their French New Wave films. Twits.

[Bucky]

27. heh

Don't forget their caffeine addictions. That can't be helping 'em any.

[Tikki]

22. Because they cry and moan and write songs about not having....

the boy or girl of their dreams....and if they just happen to
finally get the attention of the object of their obsession....they end up treating that
person like sh*t out of some kind of sick and warped revenge.

Tikki

[LeftyMom]

23. Lack of talent + navel gazing - anything worthwhile to say = teh suck

[JBoy]

25. Blame it on the original emo kid

[Taverner]

28. Is it really any different than what Teens have been doing for years?

Back in the 80's, the hard core metal heads did the whole "life sucks" thing

IN the 90's, there was grunge...now there's emo.

I have no problem with it - its just teens being teens.

[UncleSepp]

79. 70's punk, 50's beats, the blues pretty much since ever...

I don't see much difference. Apparently, I'm "just wrong" though, so don't listen to me.

[derby378]

29. Don't know any emo kids, and I don't listen to emo music

I'll admit that I like The Black Parade by My Chemical Romance, but does that qualify as emo?

[dropkickpa]

30. I don't hate them

But I hate whining (except for myself, of course, it's not whining when i do it). I have a 6 year old girl, that's enough whining thankyouverymuch.

[Iggo]

31. This is nothing new.

It's just this generation's version of:

"These kids today, with their hair and their clothes. And you call that music? Noise is what I call it!"

Greasers, Hippies, Punks, Kurt Cobain, Goths, and now Emo. Sorry if I missed a couple of rebellious stereotypes.

It's been going on since before I was young and it'll be around long after I'm old.

[DarkTirade]

32. The difference is that at some point all of the above were cool.

Except emo. :P

[otherlander]

33. You can't think

that hippies and greasers were both cool. The two are mutually exclusive. You have to hate one of them.

[DarkTirade]

34. Cool isn't one end of the spectrum or another.

Besides, they were cool in different time periods. By the time hippies were cool, greasers weren't.

[Jamastiene]

35. Bingo.

People who hate emo kids are just the new old farts. Congratulations. All that rebelling as teenagers and we have BECOME everything we hated as teenagers.

We hate seeing in them what we don't want to remember about ourselves at that age.

[Oeditpus Rex]

38. BANG!

:thumbsup:

[madeline_con]

36. What's an emo kid? n/t

[DS1]

37. here is my problem with emo types

quit getting caught up in yourselves.

You can play scratch off tickets, but you already WON the lottery.

You were born white, in America (or some other reasonably advanced country), are getting an education whether you want it or not, have a dry place to sleep at night, warm food to eat. The Internet, tv, books, public parks, reasonable climates.

That's my problem with emo shitbags.

[UncleSepp]

40. Then I suppose we ought to all just go away in droves

All of us here, chittering away on our keyboards with our coffee in hand and dinner in our bellies, really out to just shut the hell up and stop whining. Thanks for clearing that up.

We can't simultaneously bitch about how horrible the Republican policies have made this country and about how the world is rolling into the crapper, and demand that these kids who are going to inherit this rotten mess should be happy about it!

[DS1]

43. then you suppose wrong

such is the problem with your argument. Here on DU, at least some of the the whiners promise to do something about it, and sometimes follow up on that promise. emo kids, on the other hand, are so caught up on their own self-inflicted misery they don't know shit from a handful of crap, but they have taught themselves to expect both. These kids are so apathetic towards politics they really aren't even worth discussion.

Emo = Emotional. Emotional = self. Self = oh hell, Rudy dressing up as a woman might be the original emo.

[UncleSepp]

47. Are they all the same? Do you know all of them?

Are there any other groups of people you'd like to call not worth discussion?

It just might be that emo kids, like any other group of kids, are kids. Some are going to be apathetic toward politics. Some are going to be interested and involved. Some are just going to be weird teenagers until they grow out of it, or until they become weird adults.

[otherlander]

52. MCR's Black Parade doesn't seem apathetic...

"Son, when you grow up, will you be the savior of the broken, the beaten, and the damned?"

[Jamastiene]

45. You make an excellent point.

If anyone were to give us a name besides Democrats at this moment in time, we might be considered the emo adults. Maybe "these kids today" have a valid reason to be depressed and frustrated. Great post.

[UncleSepp]

48. Thank you. I suppose we both missed what's wrong with my argument

Apparently, neither of us knows enough about emo kids or what they're all like to say any such things. Why, they're not worth discussing!

;-)

[JVS]

49. Would you guys please realize that emo sadness is not a political phenomenon?

Just because you're bummed and they're bummed doesn't mean you share the reasons for being bummed!

[DS1]

50. There's so much awesome in that post

:thumbsup:

[JVS]

56. Thank you

[UncleSepp]

54. Of course it isn't. It's a teenage angst thing.

Teenagers on through the mid twenties have always had this "nobody understands me, the world sucks" thing going on. Pop songs have always been about "oh, I'm so miserable because I can't have (insert love object) here" - I've got a lovely emo tune from the 14th century called "In Darkness Let Me Dwell" that would fit right in if it had some percussion and electrified instruments. It's a human being thing, expressing itself in a different way in each generation, always in a way that the earlier generations find incomprehensible. That's how it's supposed to happen. Always has, always will.

In times that really do suck, though, it's hypocritical and self-serving to argue that "we" can complain about how much the world sucks, but "they" are stupid fools for complaining because "they" aren't complaining for the right reasons. How is it that we can defend their right not to be drafted, we can lament that they are going to inherit a crushing debt, a ruined environment, a devalued dollar and a Constitution full of holes, but they had better play along, look as we want them to, act as we want them to, think as we want them to, and listen to music we understand?

Isn't that a bit... well... conservative?

[JVS]

55. you're just wrong

not every group has acted as self-pityingly lame as the emo kids. And you still have not come to realize that their emo bullshit is not deserving of sympathy.

"In times that really do suck, though, it's hypocritical and self-serving to argue that "we" can complain about how much the world sucks, but "they" are stupid fools for complaining because "they" aren't complaining for the right reasons."
The same way we can laugh at that kid who posted that LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE video for being totally fucked in the head.

Shaddup kids, you're not deep, you're not misunderstood, and you're acting fucking lame.

[UncleSepp]

74. Wow, great argument. "You're just wrong".

Thanks! I see the light. I think I'll go find someone to judge right now!

[JVS]

75. There was more to the post than that. Their sadness is not legitimate

[UncleSepp]

81. Who are you to judge whether someone's emotions are legit?

When did you become the arbiter of another person's feelings? Any other person?

[JVS]

76. Best argument against your POV: Rabrrrrrr, DS1, and I all say emo sucks.

What more evidence do you need?

[UncleSepp]

82. LOL OK, that was genuinely funny

;-) Have a good weekend. Geez, we should all find something more fun than this to do on a Saturday night!

[Oeditpus Rex]

91. In other words

[redwitch]

71. emo kitty shares your bummedness.

edited because I am too stupid to post pictures. slinks away.

[Jamastiene]

101. I know what you mean.

Don't you just love how cruelty rears its ugly head the loudest and the most vicious when a human being's feelings are mentioned? I supposed they think we should be flogged in town square for acknowledging that emo kids are feeling human beings who aren't that far from being one of us, if only the pigheaded among us would quit dissing them. Do we want to win elections or not? Kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it? :pals:

[Rabrrrrrr]

59. Oh, bull - the difference between emo and being Democratic

is that the Democrat (or liberal) looks at the world and goes "Wow - that's really fucked up, and a lot of people are hurting. I need to do something about that."

The emo shitbag looks around, decides that his iPod, desktop computer, laptop computer, wardrobe, full belly, nice house, education, iTunes account his parents pay for, and everything else that's been handed to him on a platter, and goes "Wow - this all sucks. Someone should do something for me while I cut myself and whine about how awful I have it."

Normal, mature people look outward.

Emos gaze so ridiculously deep into own navels their heads are coming out of their asses.

[JVS]

78. or maybe it's the other way around

Emo's heads are so far up their asses, that their heads broke through and their eyes are stuck gazing in their navels

[Rabrrrrrr]

83. That could also be! The key point is, either way, the problem is: their heads are in their asses

and they're not just staring at their navels, they're obsessed with them to the point that they see nothing else.

[Jamastiene]

100. Sure beats having their heads up their asses.

Cold hearted bastards who demean their feelings just prove them right.

[ghostsofgiants]

39. I'd be curious to know how many people who bitch about emo kids actually know any emo kids.

Very few, I'd be willing to bet.

[idgiehkt]

53. yes

I don't know any. I wouldn't know one if one jumped out in front of me. I'd just assume it was an alternative kid, probably I'd think they were 'goth' or something. They seem to be 'thinkers' to me. God, we're in the middle of a war that has killed near a million innocent men, women and children, global warming is drastically altering the planet, and the voting process has been corrupted right out from under us. Maybe they are the only people that are truly sane, chirpy jingoistic murikan teenagers who think supporting the war in Iraq is patriotic scare me a whole lot more.

[ghostsofgiants]

72. In all honesty, the negative stereotypes associated with "emo" kids ...

The whole "I hate life" attitude, cutting, etc. sounds more akin to depressed kids than anything else. And maybe those kids just happen to find themselves drawn to music that is emotionally expressive. As for the fashion, who gives a fuck? You don't like how they look? They probably don't like how you look, so deal with it.

And on top of that, I've seen way more non-"emo" people complain about much more silly shit than I've ever heard from an emo kid. Hell, a guy at work today was acting like he just found out his mom had cancer or something just because he was almost late for work because the line-up to get coffee was long so he had to skip the coffee, and then he spent probably the first three hours of his shift complaining about it. But seriously, the way he was acting when he got in to work, I thought he had gotten some kind of life shattering news. So it's not just kids with side bangs and eyeliner who complain about stupid shit like it's the end of the world.

[idgiehkt]

84. I like the way they look

they don't look any different to me than the alternative kids did when I was in high school. I personally think this whole backlash against kids like that is contrived. I hear people saying it is not a political thing but I don't think this slamming of those kinds of teenager would be possible or popular in another political climate. I find it odd that people who are liberal seem to be in on it.

[ghostsofgiants]

86. If there's one thing I've learned over the years...

It's that douchebaggery transcends politics.

[Oeditpus Rex]

90. I think you may have hit on something

The haters can't hate the people they really want to hate because they couldn't do that and hang out here, where hating certain groups is apparently allowed.

Maybe emo kids are just sort of their pinch-hatees.

[idgiehkt]

92. wow

I was just thinking the exact same thing, when I read the post about hating cowboys in Idaho...that's exactly what they are, pinch-hatees.

:)

[madeline_con]

60. From what I've read they sound like a bunch of bellyachers. n/t

[many a good man]

41. It's not really hate

It's just a lack of sugar....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeILsf1EGmo&feature=related

[TK421]

42. There is such a large market out there for this kind of music, but people are sick

of the movement behind it ( and to me, it's more like a bowel-movement ) because it's nothing but a bunch of guys whining about the fact that they can't get laid because they made the decision to wear a bunch of eye-liner and various other makeup for the sole purpose of making them LOOK like females...

Now, you could call this a cry for attention, but if it's that kind of attention you are looking for, I would say to them please stop crying about how bad your life is and go DO something about it? PRETTY PLEASE? The rest of us are sick and tired of hearing how miserable your life has become.

We've all been there, but not all of us wear eye-liner and spike our bangs up so we can heighten the illusion of our despair ( as if that needs to be added to it, and it does not... ) Didn't this whole thing start with the Goth movement? Correct me if I'm wrong, fellow DU'ers....I thought it did

[DS1]

44. agreed, for the most part, see post 43, here's a link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=7165716&mesg_id=7167140

emo is not so much about getting laid, it's about "you don't get me" and "you don't understand" and "I'm deeper than you". It's an evolution of kids rebelling against jocks. The problem is, school has become so safe and sanitized that there are no winners are losers in competition anymore, there are 'participants'.

I was part of the "us vs them" crowd meaning "us" were the metalheads, vs the jocks, and we learned our boundaries, and when they fucked with us, we fucked them back twice as hard. emo kids would rather cower down and cry about something.

Fuck that shit. Learn to stand up for yourself.

[xmas74]

58. I love this quote:

I was part of the "us vs them" crowd meaning "us" were the metalheads, vs the jocks, and we learned our boundaries, and when they fucked with us, we fucked them back twice as hard. emo kids would rather cower down and cry about something.

Exactly. We're from the same time period. When the most popular kids in school shoved me (or kicked me, or hit me, or vandalized my property) I did the same shit back. I stood up for myself because no one else would.

Yes, I know some emo kids. Some are the real deal and I can respect that. Most are little poseurs who will jump on the next bandwagon as soon at it appears. That I cannot respect.

[idgiehkt]

89. yeah, but most 'kids' are poseurs

that is just part of growing up. How could they be anything but poseurs, they are being supported by their parents.

[ashling]

46. For some reason it makes me feel good

that I don't know what the hell your talking about.
:rofl:

[xchrom]

51. i know, huh? -- i just found out about ''emo-ism''

here on du a few months ago.

i hadn't even known there was such a subcategory.

[Writer]

61. Wait a minute... are emo kids Goth kids?

Just curious... having had a few Goth friends when I attended college in the '90's (I'm sooooo behind the times here.)

[JVS]

64. Originally less makeup and tendency toward horn-rimed glasses

A little "Darker" and more s&m/gothy now

[Writer]

68. Wow. What year is that layout from?

That was, like, 60% of the kids at the Univ. of Texas 10 years ago.

[JVS]

69. Dunno. Found it online.

[otherlander]

73. Everyone around here wears Converses.

What's he reading?

[noamnety]

99. uh-oh

I have his glasses, pants, sneakers and key chain.

:cry: <-- oh no!

[Mojambo]

62. Jealous of the hair. n/t

[Rabrrrrrr]

63. Because they're so deliciously a self-parody! How can one NOT laugh at and hate them?

Next to the NASCAR racist asshole jackoffs with mullets and fucked up El Caminos and waterhead children, no other group has so perfectly offered themselves to the world for ridicule.

[Vanje]

66. I dont think there are any Emos in Idaho....so ya know who I hate?

Cowboys! Fucking whoopy-ti-yi-yo cowboys! Sure their music is okay with those tumbling tumble weeds and that cool clear water..., but THAT dosnt mean their bandanas arent stupid, and those assinine pointy-toe boots with the high heels dont make me want to PUKE!
They sit and yodel about, what, the full moon?
Like they're the only people who ever slept under the stars , listining to coyotes howl. I ASK you!
Like, "Get along little Doggies, Pardner", and why the HELL dont you take your spurs off inside. Those damn things wreck upholstry.
They have their dumb hats pulled down so low you cant see their eyes. How in hell are people like this ever going to get a job.
"I, like , ride the range, dude."

Yeah. Right.
As if!

[philosophie_en_rose]

67. We should all show understanding and positive attitudes towards them.

That'll annoy those emo teens. :)

[UncleSepp]

77. Here's something I don't understand. Why all the hate?

Emo kids, fat people, people with lawns, hippies, non hippies, people who drive the wrong kind of car, people who... well, whatever. I don't understand all the hate toward people who are different, who make different choices, who have a different lifestyle, who have a different recipe for fried chicken, whatever it happens to be. I do not understand the judgment, the hate, the loathing, the snobbery that comes out of people here.

Well, that's not entirely true. I understand judgment. I understand hate. I understand the need to feel better than someone. I just don't understand how this is progressive or liberal, unless we really are the people the conservatives think we are - a bunch of sanctimonious pricks who want to tell other people how to live.

[JVS]

80. To quote Oscar Wilde via Uncyclopedia

“You don't want people to judge you, yet you spend an hour doing your hair and putting on makeup?”
~ Oscar Wilde on contradictions of the emo ideology

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Emo

[idgiehkt]

85. dude, Oscar Wilde was emo.

While at Magdalen College, Wilde became particularly well known for his role in the aesthetic and decadent movements. He began wearing his hair long and openly scorning so-called "manly" sports, and began decorating his rooms with peacock feathers, lilies, sunflowers, blue china and other objets d'art.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Wilde

or he would have been, but he died like a hundred years ago. :shrug:

[kwassa]

87. and I thought it started with the Velvet Underground, Warhol, and all that

[idgiehkt]

95. that is a good point

I read somewhere punk>goth>emo.

I think people are being tricked into putting down people for no reason.

[TimeChaser]

88. The glorification of depression

I struggled with depression throughout most of middle school and high school. Nowadays, being depressed seems to be the cool thing to do :shrug:

I've seen more than one kid who should probably get profession help make the excuse that they're just a little emo.

[Oeditpus Rex]

93. Maybe associating themselves with a group

is part of how they deal with depression.

:shrug:

[leeroysphitz]

94. Don't sweat it. They like it! That form of angst is part of what being "emo" is all about.

[MiniMandaRuth]

96. I'm pretty emo on the inside

and it bothers me when people show so much hatred for something.

[Mythsaje]

97. Hey, I want to get on the "I hate a whole group of kids" train too...

That way I can be like the grumpy old people who hated me and my kind when I was a teenager.

I work with a lot of kids, some of them are most likely "emo." And they're decent, hard-working people...most of them, anyway.

Some people are just dicks.

[RandomKoolzip]

98. Emo kids, like goths before them, are dorks.

Even the "original" Emo band, Rites of Spring, wasn't very good, especially compared to other great bands on Dischord in the 80s.

Y'know, you can complain allyou wan tabout how every generation picks on the one coming up under them; how hippies hated the punks, Mitch Miller hated the original Rock n' Roll cats, etc. The only difference is that all those other subcultures attached their identities to some GREAT FUCKING MUSIC and all these Emo dorks and Goth weenies are into...uh, Taking Back Sunday? My Chemical Romance?

So in other words, to paraphrase Peter Townshend: this time the fogies are alright and the kids ought to all f-f-fade away. I hope I die before I regress.

(Having said that, Mineral, Texas is the Reason, Starmarket, and a few assorted other Emo bands HAVE come up with a few decent melodies - but that's EXACTLY where the problem lies, aesthetically - these dudes all think they can rely on their "sadness" and their ability to scream expressively to caryy their tunage, but it just ain't so...eventually the ears hunger for melody, or at least melodies that don't sound like snotty sing-songy playground taunts or tenth-gen Cure/New Order retreads)