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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:15 AM
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The Final RetroLounge Daily Poem Thread (Mon 7/23/2007)
I leave you with this very long and dense poem. But one of the best ever written. It is crazy to post this poem, as entire college courses try to teach it and fail, and I for one never "got" the whole thing. There are references to shit from all over written history, he flips into latin and italian and back again. Perhaps Eliot was just showing off, as he needed ezra pound to edit this before it could be published. But anyhow, sanity was in short supply in 1922 when he wrote this, I suspect, and it is the same here now, and I need to go clear my head in another location, unknown to me at this moment, but not here in Milwaukee.

It has been my pleasure to bring these poems to DU these past (Nearly) two years.

I have mailed a copy of the archives with links to most every poem to Cal Peg in an excel format. Also, my DU journal contains all the poems.

Be good to each other and I will see you all next time I see you...

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THE WASTE LAND - T.S. Eliot

"Nam Sibyllam quidem Cumis ego ipse oculis meis
vidi in ampulla pendere, et cum illi pueri dicerent:
Sibylla ti theleis; respondebat illa: apothanein thelo."

I. THE BURIAL OF THE DEAD

April is the cruellest month, breeding
Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
Memory and desire, stirring
Dull roots with spring rain.
Winter kept us warm, covering
Earth in forgetful snow, feeding
A little life with dried tubers.
Summer surprised us, coming over the Starnbergersee
With a shower of rain; we stopped in the colonnade,
And went on in sunlight, into the Hofgarten,
And drank coffee, and talked for an hour.
Bin gar keine Russin, stamm' aus Litauen, echt deutsch.
And when we were children, staying at the archduke's,
My cousin's, he took me out on a sled,
And I was frightened. He said, Marie,
Marie, hold on tight. And down we went.
In the mountains, there you feel free.
I read, much of the night, and go south in the winter.

What are the roots that clutch, what branches grow
Out of this stony rubbish? Son of man,
You cannot say, or guess, for you know only
A heap of broken images, where the sun beats,
And the dead tree gives no shelter, the cricket no relief,
And the dry stone no sound of water. Only
There is shadow under this red rock,
(Come in under the shadow of this red rock),
And I will show you something different from either
Your shadow at morning striding behind you
Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
      Frisch weht der Wind
      Der Heimat zu
      Mein Irisch Kind,
      Wo weilest du?
"You gave me hyacinths first a year ago;
"They called me the hyacinth girl."
- Yet when we came back, late, from the Hyacinth garden,
Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither
Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
Looking into the heart of light, the silence.
Od' und leer das Meer.

Madame Sosostris, famous clairvoyante,
Had a bad cold, nevertheless
Is known to be the wisest woman in Europe,
With a wicked pack of cards. Here, said she,
Is your card, the drowned Phoenician Sailor,
(Those are pearls that were his eyes. Look!)
Here is Belladonna, the Lady of the Rocks,
The lady of situations.
Here is the man with three staves, and here the Wheel,
And here is the one-eyed merchant, and this card,
Which is blank, is something he carries on his back,
Which I am forbidden to see. I do not find
The Hanged Man. Fear death by water.
I see crowds of people, walking round in a ring.
Thank you. If you see dear Mrs. Equitone,
Tell her I bring the horoscope myself:
One must be so careful these days.

Unreal City,
Under the brown fog of a winter dawn,
A crowd flowed over London Bridge, so many,
I had not thought death had undone so many.
Sighs, short and infrequent, were exhaled,
And each man fixed his eyes before his feet.
Flowed up the hill and down King William Street,
To where Saint Mary Woolnoth kept the hours
With a dead sound on the final stroke of nine.
There I saw one I knew, and stopped him, crying "Stetson!
"You who were with me in the ships at Mylae!
"That corpse you planted last year in your garden,
"Has it begun to sprout? Will it bloom this year?
"Or has the sudden frost disturbed its bed?

"Oh keep the Dog far hence, that's friend to men,
"Or with his nails he'll dig it up again!
"You! hypocrite lecteur! - mon semblable, - mon frere!"

II. A GAME OF CHESS

The Chair she sat in, like a burnished throne,
Glowed on the marble, where the glass
Held up by standards wrought with fruited vines
From which a golden Cupidon peeped out
(Another hid his eyes behind his wing)
Doubled the flames of sevenbranched candelabra
Reflecting light upon the table as
The glitter of her jewels rose to meet it,
From satin cases poured in rich profusion;
In vials of ivory and coloured glass
Unstoppered, lurked her strange synthetic perfumes,
Unguent, powdered, or liquid - troubled, confused
And drowned the sense in odours; stirred by the air
That freshened from the window, these ascended
In fattening the prolonged candle-flames,
Flung their smoke into the laquearia,
Stirring the pattern on the coffered ceiling.
Huge sea-wood fed with copper
Burned green and orange, framed by the coloured stone,
In which sad light a carved dolphin swam.
Above the antique mantel was displayed
As though a window gave upon the sylvan scene
The change of Philomel, by the barbarous king
So rudely forced; yet there the nightingale
Filled all the desert with inviolable voice
And still she cried, and still the world pursues,
"Jug Jug" to dirty ears.
And other withered stumps of time
Were told upon the walls; staring forms
Leaned out, leaning, hushing the room enclosed.
Footsteps shuffled on the stair.
Under the firelight, under the brush, her hair
Spread out in fiery points
Glowed into words, then would be savagely still.

"My nerves are bad to-night. Yes, bad. Stay with me.
"Speak to me. Why do you never speak. Speak.
"What are you thinking of? What thinking? What?
"I never know what you are thinking. Think."

I think we are in rats' alley
Where the dead men lost their bones.

"What is that noise?"

The wind under the door.
"What is that noise now? What is the wind doing?"

Nothing again nothing.

"Do You know nothing? Do you see nothing? Do you remember
"Nothing?"


I remember
Those are pearls that were his eyes.
"Are you alive, or not? Is there nothing in your head?"

But
O O O O that Shakespeherian Rag -
It's so elegant
So intelligent
"What shall I do now? What shall I do?"
I shall rush out as I am, and walk the street
"With my hair down, so. What shall we do to-morrow?
"What shall we ever do?"

The hot water at ten.
And if it rains, a closed car at four.
And we shall play a game of chess,
Pressing lidless eyes and waiting for a knock upon the door.

When Lil's husband got demobbed, I said -
I didn't mince my words, I said to her myself,
HURRY UP PLEASE ITS TIME
Now Albert's coming back, make yourself a bit smart.
He'll want to know what you done with that money he gave you
To get yourself some teeth. He did, I was there.
You have them all out, Lil, and get a nice set,
He said, I swear, I can't bear to look at you.
And no more can't I, I said, and think of poor Albert,
He's been in the army four years, he wants a good time,
And if you don't give it him, there's others will, I said.
Oh is there, she said. Something o' that, I said.
Then I'll know who to thank, she said, and give me a straight look.
HURRY UP PLEASE ITS TIME
If you don't like it you can get on with it, I said.
Others can pick and choose if you can't.
But if Albert makes off, it won't be for lack of telling.
You ought to be ashamed, I said, to look so antique.
(And her only thirty-one.)
I can't help it, she said, pulling a long face,
It's them pills I took, to bring it off, she said.
(She's had five already, and nearly died of young George.)
The chemist said it would be alright, but I've never been the same.
You are a proper fool, I said.
Well, if Albert won't leave you alone, there it is, I said,
What you get married for if you don't want children?
HURRY UP PLEASE ITS TIME
Well, that Sunday Albert was home, they had a hot gammon,
And they asked me in to dinner, to get the beauty of it hot -
HURRY UP PLEASE ITS TIME
HURRY UP PLEASE ITS TIME
Goonight Bill. Goonight Lou. Goonight May. Goonight.
Ta ta. Goonight. Goonight.
Good night, ladies, good night, sweet ladies, good night, good night.

III. THE FIRE SERMON

The river's tent is broken: the last fingers of leaf
Clutch and sink into the wet bank. The wind
Crosses the brown land, unheard. The nymphs are departed.
Sweet Thames, run softly, till I end my song.
The river bears no empty bottles, sandwich papers,
Silk handkerchiefs, cardboard boxes, cigarette ends
Or other testimony of summer nights. The nymphs are departed.
And their friends, the loitering heirs of city directors;
Departed, have left no addresses.

By the waters of Leman I sat down and wept . . .
Sweet Thames, run softly till I end my song,
Sweet Thames, run softly, for I speak not loud or long.
But at my back in a cold blast I hear
The rattle of the bones, and chuckle spread from ear to ear.
A rat crept softly through the vegetation
Dragging its slimy belly on the bank
While I was fishing in the dull canal
On a winter evening round behind the gashouse
Musing upon the king my brother's wreck
And on the king my father's death before him.
White bodies naked on the low damp ground
And bones cast in a little low dry garret,
Rattled by the rat's foot only, year to year.
But at my back from time to time I hear
The sound of horns and motors, which shall bring
Sweeney to Mrs. Porter in the spring.
O the moon shone bright on Mrs. Porter
And on her daughter
They wash their feet in soda water
Et O ces voix d'enfants, chantant dans la coupole!

Twit twit twit
Jug jug jug jug jug jug
So rudely forc'd.
Tereu

Unreal City
Under the brown fog of a winter noon
Mr. Eugenides, the Smyrna merchant
Unshaven, with a pocket full of currants
C.i.f. London: documents at sight,
Asked me in demotic French
To luncheon at the Cannon Street Hotel
Followed by a weekend at the Metropole.

At the violet hour, when the eyes and back
Turn upward from the desk, when the human engine waits
Like a taxi throbbing waiting,
I Tiresias, though blind, throbbing between two lives,
Old man with wrinkled female breasts, can see
At the violet hour, the evening hour that strives
Homeward, and brings the sailor home from sea,
The typist home at teatime, clears her breakfast, lights
Her stove, and lays out food in tins.
Out of the window perilously spread
Her drying combinations touched by the sun's last rays,
On the divan are piled (at night her bed)
Stockings, slippers, camisoles, and stays.
I Tiresias, old man with wrinkled dugs
Perceived the scene, and foretold the rest -
I too awaited the expected guest.
He, the young man carbuncular, arrives,
A small house agent's clerk, with one bold stare,
One of the low on whom assurance sits
As a silk hat on a Bradford millionaire.
The time is now propitious, as he guesses,
The meal is ended, she is bored and tired,
Endeavours to engage her in caresses
Which still are unreproved, if undesired.
Flushed and decided, he assaults at once;
Exploring hands encounter no defence;
His vanity requires no response,
And makes a welcome of indifference.
(And I Tiresias have foresuffered all
Enacted on this same divan or bed;
I who have sat by Thebes below the wall
And walked among the lowest of the dead.)
Bestows one final patronising kiss,
And gropes his way, finding the stairs unlit . . .

She turns and looks a moment in the glass,
Hardly aware of her departed lover;
Her brain allows one half-formed thought to pass:
"Well now that's done: and I'm glad it's over."
When lovely woman stoops to folly and
Paces about her room again, alone,
She smoothes her hair with automatic hand,
And puts a record on the gramophone.

"This music crept by me upon the waters"
And along the Strand, up Queen Victoria Street.
O City city, I can sometimes hear
Beside a public bar in Lower Thames Street,
The pleasant whining of a mandoline
And a clatter and a chatter from within
Where fishmen lounge at noon: where the walls
Of Magnus Martyr hold
Inexplicable splendour of Ionian white and gold.

      The river sweats
      Oil and tar
      The barges drift
      With the turning tide
      Red sails
      Wide
      To leeward, swing on the heavy spar.
      The barges wash
      Drifting logs
      Down Greenwich reach
      Past the Isle of Dogs.
           Weialala leia
           Wallala leialala

      Elizabeth and Leicester
      Beating oars
      The stern was formed
      A gilded shell
      Red and gold
      The brisk swell
      Rippled both shores
      Southwest wind
      Carried down stream
      The peal of bells
      White towers
           Weialala leia
           Wallala leialala

"Trams and dusty trees.
Highbury bore me. Richmond and Kew
Undid me. By Richmond I raised my knees
Supine on the floor of a narrow canoe."

"My feet are at Moorgate, and my heart
Under my feet. After the event
He wept. He promised 'a new start'.
I made no comment. What should I resent?"
"On Margate Sands.
I can connect
Nothing with nothing.
The broken fingernails of dirty hands.
My people humble people who expect
Nothing."

la la

To Carthage then I came

Burning burning burning burning
O Lord Thou pluckest me out
O Lord Thou pluckest

burning

IV. DEATH BY WATER

Phlebas the Phoenician, a fortnight dead,
Forgot the cry of gulls, and the deep sea swell
And the profit and loss.

A current under sea
Picked his bones in whispers. As he rose and fell
He passed the stages of his age and youth
Entering the whirlpool.

Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.

V. WHAT THE THUNDER SAID

After the torchlight red on sweaty faces
After the frosty silence in the gardens
After the agony in stony places
The shouting and the crying
Prison and palace and reverberation
Of thunder of spring over distant mountains
He who was living is now dead
We who were living are now dying
With a little patience

Here is no water but only rock
Rock and no water and the sandy road
The road winding above among the mountains
Which are mountains of rock without water
If there were water we should stop and drink
Amongst the rock one cannot stop or think
Sweat is dry and feet are in the sand
If there were only water amongst the rock
Dead mountain mouth of carious teeth that cannot spit
Here one can neither stand nor lie nor sit
There is not even silence in the mountains
But dry sterile thunder without rain
There is not even solitude in the mountains
But red sullen faces sneer and snarl
From doors of mudcracked houses

If there were water
And no rock
If there were rock
And also water
And water
A spring
A pool among the rock
If there were the sound of water only
Not the cicada
And dry grass singing
But sound of water over a rock
Where the hermit-thrush sings in the pine trees
Drip drop drip drop drop drop drop
But there is no water

Who is the third who walks always beside you?
When I count, there are only you and I together
But when I look ahead up the white road
There is always another one walking beside you
Gliding wrapt in a brown mantle, hooded
I do not know whether a man or a woman
- But who is that on the other side of you?

What is that sound high in the air
Murmur of maternal lamentation
Who are those hooded hordes swarming
Over endless plains, stumbling in cracked earth
Ringed by the flat horizon only
What is the city over the mountains
Cracks and reforms and bursts in the violet air
Falling towers
Jerusalem Athens Alexandria
Vienna London
Unreal

A woman drew her long black hair out tight
And fiddled whisper music on those strings
And bats with baby faces in the violet light
Whistled, and beat their wings
And crawled head downward down a blackened wall
And upside down in air were towers
Tolling reminiscent bells, that kept the hours
And voices singing out of empty cisterns and exhausted wells.

In this decayed hole among the mountains
In the faint moonlight, the grass is singing
Over the tumbled graves, about the chapel
There is the empty chapel, only the wind's home.
It has no windows, and the door swings,
Dry bones can harm no one.
Only a cock stood on the rooftree
Co co rico co co rico
In a flash of lightning. Then a damp gust
Bringing rain

Ganga was sunken, and the limp leaves
Waited for rain, while the black clouds
Gathered far distant, over Himavant.
The jungle crouched, humped in silence.
Then spoke the thunder
DA
Datta: what have we given?
My friend, blood shaking my heart
The awful daring of a moment's surrender
Which an age of prudence can never retract
By this, and this only, we have existed
Which is not to be found in our obituaries
Or in memories draped by the beneficent spider
Or under seals broken by the lean solicitor
In our empty rooms
DA
Dayadhvam: I have heard the key
Turn in the door once and turn once only
We think of the key, each in his prison
Thinking of the key, each confirms a prison
Only at nightfall, aetherial rumours
Revive for a moment a broken Coriolanus
DA
Damyata: The boat responded
Gaily, to the hand expert with sail and oar
The sea was calm, your heart would have responded
Gaily, when invited, beating obedient
To controlling hands

I sat upon the shore
Fishing, with the arid plain behind me
Shall I at least set my lands in order?
London Bridge is falling down falling down falling down
Poi s'ascose nel foco che gli affina
Quando fiam ceu chelidon - O swallow swallow
Le Prince d'Aquitaine a la tour abolie
These fragments I have shored against my ruins
Why then Ile fit you. Hieronymo's mad againe.
Datta. Dayadhvam. Damyata.
Shantih shantih shantih

****************

RL

If you have a request for a certain Poet, post their name in the thread and I will find a poem by them and post it...

if you want to see some of my poetry, see the blog at:
http://www.myspace.com/retropaul

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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:29 AM
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1. I do not intend to "get this" in one reading
I will read it over and over until I find its meaning to me.

I thank you from my heart for the time and energy you spent each day sharing poetry with us here in The Lounge. I am relatively new, but cannot remember a day since I've been here that I did not read your Poem Thread.

I hope you find what you seek as you venture out aimlessly. I hope you keep your house in order so the bridges stay intact for your return if need be.

Until I figure out the meaning of this poem, I will associate it with your adventures.

Thanks for being here,

~Inchworm

:patriot:

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lost-in-nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:30 AM
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2. .....
:cry: :cry: :hug: :hug:

lost
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BarenakedLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:30 AM
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3. Ummmm what?
:cry:
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:34 AM
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4. Please be well
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 08:34 AM by KC2
And please come back, with more poetry (hopefully), when/if you feel ready.

I always enjoyed the poems you shared.

One more thing... please know you are loved and needed.

:hug: :grouphug: :hug:
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:01 AM
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5. I'm very sorry to see that this is the last.
I always appreciated the effort you took to post these poems. I shall look forward to reading through your journal to review the ones I haven't read.
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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:12 AM
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6. Thanks for everything RL
Hope you find what youre looking for-

And yeah, this is a monster- I wrote a ten page paper on one aspect of "The Fire Sermon" section (my personal favorite) and I still dont get everything in that one part. But it is, without a doubt, one of the best poems every written.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:17 AM
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7. Good morning, my dear Retro!
For the last time, alas, sweetie...

I will miss you more than I can adequately express...

Please be well, and come home soon to those of us who love you...

And thank you for everything you've done here for all of us........

And for me.

:loveya: :hug: :loveya:


:cry:
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 05:27 PM
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8. now just hold on here!!! wait a minute!!!!
:wtf::grr::cry::banghead::thumbsdown::wtf::grr::cry::banghead::thumbsdown::wtf::grr::cry::banghead::thumbsdown:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 05:34 PM
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9. ...
pm me -- or something.

peace retro.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 05:36 PM
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10. Thanks for posting the poems
for as long as you did. I always enjoyed them. :hi: :hug:
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 05:40 PM
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11. when you said very long
I thought it was gonna be 'Fairie Qveen'

I wish I had an English translation of that one.


Fare thee well. :hi:
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 05:43 PM
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12. Men don't make passes
At girls who wear glasses.
- Ogden nash
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:29 PM
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14. Candy is dandy.
But liquor is quicker.
Pot is not.

Also Ogden Nash.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:53 PM
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23. I beg to differ with that. n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:42 PM
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25. I thought that was Dorothy Parker.
Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 01:42 PM by redqueen

Sorry to see this is the last daily poem thread from RL. :(
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:27 PM
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13. Bye, Retro.
So, what happens now? Who is doing the poem threads? C-Peg? Anyone?
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:31 PM
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16. My dear BlueIris...
Whoever wants to.....and no, it won't be me...

I have neither the resources or the time, alas...

I am sorry to see the end of these threads, but even more sorry to see Retro leave...:cry:
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:06 PM
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19. Fine, I'll do it. For a while, anyway.
I'm not Retro, as posters here will surely notice, but I'll give it my best.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:30 PM
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15. Wait! NO!!! Why??!!??!!
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 07:31 PM by LibraLiz1973
Retro, you are one of the funnest and most interesting people posting here.
Why are you leaving us????????

You just opened the book store- why goeth you from Milwaukee?
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:43 PM
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17. d00d!
you got my number and email, stay in touch

:hug:

will miss you man but know you gotta do what you gotta do

:hi:

be well!

remember all those baskets, okay!
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:01 PM
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18. wait - WHAT?
I take a few days off to read HP and :wtf:

Somebody fill me in quick.

I can get to Milwaukee in an 1-1/2 hours. Less if I have to.

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:32 PM
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20. "And their friends, the loitering heirs of city directors;
Departed, have left no addresses."

Be well.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:42 PM
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21. Oh, Retro! No- I'm going to miss you
like crazy! :cry:

Parting is ( indeed) such
sweet sorrow.

Be well my friend, please PM me to let me
know you are OK- remember the onslaught
of PMs when we were invaded? ;-)

You are a special person, you gave much to us,
and as a friend of Bill's, you were even more special!

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LaraMN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:44 PM
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22. Whaaa?
I don't know what's goin' on, babe, but I hope you find whatever you're looking for. Or figure out what it is. :(

We'll be here when you feel inclined to come around.

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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 10:57 PM
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24. Here and There, RL, I never realized you were so literary, though
I should have.

DAMN! :hug:
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GenDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:58 PM
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26. Oh, wow -- this is a sad day
I haven't been around much lately, so I'm out of the loop so to speak, but I hope you find peace and serenity. Look forward to seeing you on the flip side. Will miss your daily poem thread.
:hi:
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