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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 11:40 PM
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Just saw "Children Of Men". An astonishingly good piece of storytelling.
Took a pretty hard whack at the neo-cons, with Britain's "Homeland Security" standing in for the U.S. version.

Anybody else see it?
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Flaxbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 11:51 PM
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1. haven't seen it, but P.D. James is one of my favorite authors...
I've mostly read her mysteries, but she's a formidable woman, worked in British gov't for a while, etc.

If you like fiction, check out her books...
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 11:55 PM
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2. I enjoyed the movie, but I understand it's quite different from the novel.
And that P.D. James is a conservative. I may pick up the book and take a peek. Or not. We'll see.
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Flaxbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 01:23 AM
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5. really? hmm. Well, one of her main characters, Dalgliesh, while
he's 'tough on crime' (he's in Scotland Yard) he's always seemed pretty liberal when it comes to cultural issues, etc. Not that her characters have to believe what she does, but often authors do infuse their characters with themselves.

I haven't read Children of Men; I've read the Dalgliesh mysteries and enjoyed them...
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 09:04 AM
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10. She is in the House of Lords, as a Conservative
Here's an article looking at her outlook:

Two central protagonists recur in James’s fiction: Adam Dalgliesh, a professional Inspector, and Cordelia Gray, a private working-class investigator. Because Cordelia Gray only appears in two novels: An Unsuitable Job for a Woman (1972); and The Skull beneath the Skin (1982); James is not often credited with the writing of the first modern novel to feature a female detective. An Unsuitable Job for a Woman combines the characterisation of the hard-boiled novel with the structure of the bildungsroman. Like the protagonists in the stories by Hammett, Chandler and Spillane, Cordelia is estranged from society and her role as a detective is often contested. Contrary to what characterised the hard-boiled genre, however, such repeated challenges derive uniquely from Cordelia’s gender, as the title underlines. This is apparent from the very start of the novel when Cordelia’s partner commits suicide, leaving her the unique proprietor of Pryde’s Detective Agency. The policeman who first questions her about Bernie Pryde’s death takes it for granted that she was simply his secretary. Female characters are equally sceptic about Cordelia’s chances to succeed in her job. When she breaks the news of the suicide to the owner of the pub where she used to go with Bernie, the landlady comments: 'You’ll be looking for a new job, I suppose? After all, you can hardly keep the Agency going on your own. It isn’t a suitable job for a woman ... I shouldn’t think your mother would approve of you staying on alone'. Thus, her achievements celebrate her development into a professional detective from the amateur status she has at the beginning of the novel. After such a determined start, feminist critics were disappointed to see Cordelia Gray dropped for 10 years and revived only in The Skull Beneath the Skin, where she appears inept and unsuitable for her job. At the end of this second novel, Cordelia is hired to find a lost Siamese kitten: '... she had a job waiting for her ... she didn’t despise its simplicities; almost she welcomed them. Animals didn’t torment themselves with the fear of death, or torment you with the fear of their dying. They didn’t burden you with their psychological problems ... They didn’t try to murder you'. Such conclusion seems indeed to state that investigating murders is an unsuitable job for a woman. In her essay 'Gray Areas: P. D. James’s Unsuiting of Cordelia', Nicola Nixon has claimed that James’s belittling of Cordelia is the result of the author’s own distancing from feminism.



Contrary to Cordelia, the widower Adam Dalgliesh rises ever-higher in his career through the novels, attaining the status of Commander and even of published poet. In spite of his clever intuitions, Dalgliesh is fully conscious of his fallibility and James is careful not to romanticise the figure of the detective. 'Detectives', she argues, 'are far less creatures of fantasy or romantic wish-fulfilment. They tend to be professionals doing a difficult job in a modern world.' While Dalgliesh is a liberal agnostic, P. D. James has made no secret of her Christian and conservative views which have grown stronger with the years and which, some critics claim, put her out of touch with the contemporary society she is so eager to portray. In his review of The Murder Room, Mark Lawson has pointed out that 'when reading James, you do find yourself nostalgic for crack cocaine, anal sex and people calling each other "mutha"'. It has also been noted that, while James usually refrains from mentioning contemporary controversial events, when she does so (as with the murder of the black teenager Stephen Lawrence in Death In Holy Orders), it is to impose a conservative moral on them. Yet, masked under P. D. James’s genteel settings and dialogues, her novels explore the darker and disturbing instincts of the human mind with a complexity that defies political partisanship. James conforms to the definition of her homonym Henry that the purpose of a novel should be 'To help the human heart to know itself'. However, to her, such knowledge entails the disturbing admission that the human heart regards murder with fascination.

http://www.contemporarywriters.com/authors/?p=auth193
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 12:32 AM
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3. Yes- saw it
I also really enjoyed the short film by the director that was on the DVD. Still thinking about it and it has been months.
The deserted elementary school was a stunning scene too.
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 12:45 AM
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4. pull my finger
i hate it jasper got it:cry:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 01:26 AM
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6. was that the Micheal Caine character? cause i didn't like that either...
:(
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 08:07 AM
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7. yeah, that was michael --
:cry:

:hug:
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 08:14 AM
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8. that was a very compelling movie
i liked it.

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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 08:49 AM
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9. I saw some of it
I ot through 20 minutes and just didn't think it was any good...it was so boring....I just couldn't get into it...usually I give movies more of a chance than that but nothing excited me in the first 20 minutes. I had no choice but to turn it off.
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deucemagnet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 11:50 AM
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15. I think we're in the minority here, but I was disappointed in it as well.
It had some amazing camera work, but the plot was rather vague on some key plot points, and that ruined it for me.
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 09:12 AM
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11. I saw it and I agree
well done movie and a good presentation of the dangerous direction neo-cons and their ilk are trying to steer the western world towards.
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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 09:13 AM
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12. Agreed!
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musiclawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 11:11 AM
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13. There were lots of posts here when the movie came out
Most of them favorable as I recall. The screenplay is a fairly redical departure from the book, but I enjoyed them both very much.
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 11:30 AM
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14. I liked it alot.
:thumbsup:
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