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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:06 AM
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At this time tomorrow I'll be in my unemployment hearing
which will determine if my ex-employer is allowed to lie and totally screw me out of unemployment compensation, i.e. not collect any more and pay everything I've collected so far back to the state.
If that happens I will be in deep trouble.

I am meeting my law student volunteer late this afternoon- he will be with me tomorrow.

I know people go through worse things than this all the time, but for me this is huge, so please send me some good vibes or prayers, and/or send the HR VP some extremely bad ones.

thanks
undeterred

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joneschick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:19 AM
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1. you will be in my thoughts
:hug:
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:22 AM
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2. thank you
:hug:
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:39 PM
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3. kicking to beg for support...
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Jimbo S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:42 PM
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4. Good luck!
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:47 PM
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7. thanks, I need it
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:43 PM
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5. Good luck!
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:47 PM
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6. thanks!
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:54 PM
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8. Good luck and stick it to the man!
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:54 PM
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9. Good luck
Hope the bastards lose.
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hellbound-liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 03:14 PM
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10. here's hoping you can poke a sharp stick in the eye of Corporate America!
Edited on Thu May-17-07 03:14 PM by irkthesmirk
Stick it to em!
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 03:58 PM
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11. I will bring back the eyeball!
or the entrails, I hope...
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:05 PM
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12. Keep us posted undeterred!
Those fuckers!
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:26 PM
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13. met my law student
he's cool and calm, will be good for me...
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:21 PM
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14. kick!
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:24 PM
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15. good vibes for you undeterred!
bad vibes for them!

:evilfrown:


:hug:
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:28 PM
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16. I am keeping my fingers crossed for you
I know what you have been through with this and I really hope that it works out in your favor. :hug:
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 11:48 PM
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17. Good luck.
I hope it all works out for you.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 12:27 AM
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18. DLTBGYD....Don't let the bastards get you down.
I'm sending vibes your way and so is...

L. Ron
and

Old Gregg :)
Best of luck to you.
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u4ic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 12:32 AM
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19. Many good vibes to you!
I wish you all the best. :grouphug:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 12:40 AM
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20. good luck-- i sure hope it works out for you
and your law student....
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 07:47 AM
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21. Good luck!
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 11:18 AM
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22. Well, I just don't know

They brought 4 people and it lasted 2 hours. The judge was good and the lies were flying. I do not have confidence that things will go my way, I just don't know. My law student just didn't say much. The HR VP was a total asshole. The guy who was my supervisor & friend came to lie about me. I will dread going to the mailbox every day... I need a job real soon.

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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 11:33 AM
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23. So how/when will you find out? By mail?
I'm crossing my fingers for you.

:hug:
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 12:43 PM
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24. By mail, within 2 weeks
So please keep do your fingers crossed! Some parts went well (like the accusation of misconduct) but because they went over so much stuff, some new issues were opened up that might not be in my favor. So I just don't know, and while I'm glad this part is over, I really don't feel any better.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 02:42 PM
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25. Un
I feel your pain.

Stay focused and be prepared for anything, and I mean anything that might happen.
I did that 2 years ago and I won all the back $$$ :hi:
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 03:02 PM
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27. If its bad news I don't know what I'm going to do
I will have no income and no way of paying this money back. I honestly have no idea what to expect. Some things seemed to go well, other things didn't. Its really hard to be objective, and its really hard to tell what the judge knows. The burden of proof is on the employer. The employer also has the power to bring in employees and coerce them to lie- and the judge knows it.

Several pieces of factual information that my co-workers and I testified to was exactly opposite each other. So, somebody is lying. It was awful having my supervisor, who used to be my friend, deny he was my supervisor, lie about me, and make up stuff about me. I'm glad its over but I really don't feel any better.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 03:06 PM
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30. Situation
PM me if you feel like it, I know how it is, I went thru 3months without anything
until I finally won.
We can put our 2 heads together and make it work!!!! :hi:
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 02:49 PM
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26. fingers crossed
keep us posted on it. I remember when you were writing about all that crap going down.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 03:03 PM
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28. Thanks
God, I can't wait to put all this behind me.
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 03:03 PM
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29. Fingers crossed
It happened to me as well.

Five times I had to prepare for hearings, my employer NEVER showed up. Apparently it often happens as they want to scare you.

The 6th time the court said: Enough!! I got my unemployment :woohoo:

I am sure it will happen to you as well.

:hug:
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 03:18 PM
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31. My employer is an hour away and 4 people were there 45 min early
They were there before me and the law student. Four people with salaries over eighty thousand dollars took half a day off to screw with my life. I would have been thrilled if they didn't show up. If they win I will appeal, and I am afraid this will go on and on forever.
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 04:45 PM
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33. You will win
and I am sure they won't show up. The judges know the employers are playing with our lives.

Please keep me informed.

C
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 04:55 PM
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35. Well they sure showed up today.
The judge seemed like she knew bullshit when she saw it. She called the HR VP on his crap many times.
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 04:59 PM
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36. Great stuff!
Edited on Fri May-18-07 05:00 PM by Christa
I was so pissed that I had to and sit there 5 times without them showing up.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 05:06 PM
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38. I was horrified that all 4 of them were there before we were
Edited on Fri May-18-07 05:07 PM by undeterred
and we live in town. I didn't even get to talk until 45 minutes into the hearing. And various people kept throwing in unrelated stuff to "trash" me. It was like having your brothers and sisters yell "Hey MOM, She did THIS!" just because they had the floor. But they looked like idiots. I didn't do it to them.

My law student didn't lose his cool. I got agitated when the HR asshole kept asking me the same stuff over and over... He turned off my user rights at 4pm but he wanted to make a federal case out of it that I left the office at 4pm, which we often did on Fridays anyway. So he asked me that about 10 different ways, like I'd hidden WMDs or something.
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 05:29 PM
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39. Congrats for keeping your cool!
Usually the HR's have nothing substantial to bring to the table and they HAVE to win - good for you!!

Assholes, all of them.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 05:38 PM
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41. I really hate them
People with absolutely no skills who love to fuck around with the lives/jobs of people who do have skills. A waste of skin.
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 06:21 PM
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44. I know exactly how you feel
they are puppets on a string - mindless bastards.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 04:00 PM
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32. Some employers contest unemployment compensation as a matter
of course. Another young woman and I were fired on the same day. The employer tried to insinuate that we were both guilty of stealing money from the company.

Although we worked in different departments, we both knew the routine for each other's department and vouched for each other and the procedures which the employer tried to use as evidence.

The manager of the store had to admit that there was no evidence against either of us.

I contended that I was fired because I was pregnant and the the other young woman was fired because she had two minor children (she was on maternity leave when the company took over our store).

The hearing officer dicounted the employer's suggestion that we were theives (I had worked for the store for ten years to the day and she had been there for about six months more than me.)

He also discounted my testimony regarding the attitude toward my pregnacy and others with minor children.

We both got our unemployment compensation.

And with in less than eighteen months, all employees with minor children were out of jobs. They were either transferred to on call traveling positions or harassed to the point that one just threw off her smock and stormed out the door.

An assistant manager who worked from Friday afternoon at 1:00 p.m. to Monday afternoon at 1:00 p.m. would get home only to be called back to do menial things like cut down the boxes in the box room.

The only people left working in the store were part-time teen agers, people with no children, and people whose children were over twenty-one.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 04:54 PM
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34. They turned off my network access and I am a computer tech
so I assumed that meant I was fired. My email account was shut off. They didn't tell me I was fired. Then I called in sick. My supervisor wouldn't return my phone calls. One day I just didn't go to work. The next day I got a letter of dismissal. They intended to terminate me the day that they turned off my computer rights but apparently they missed me- so I was still considered an employee... they didn't call me and I didn't call them.

Finally I called the corporate headquarters of the parent company and asked what my status was. All the people in Human Resources were bizarre liars who I didn't trust, so I saw the whole thing as head games. Now I'll have to see if a judge sees it that way.

If I can help it, I never want to deal with a Human Resources person again. I'd rather have sex with Dick Cheney.
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 05:00 PM
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37. My ex was fired for stealing
He was accused of stealing and the manager said it was witnessed by another employee. The manager refused to name the witness and my ex at the hearing declared that he had a right to face his accuser. He won!!

P.S.My ex worked at a gay porn store and closet cases will get rid of the evidence in the parking lot before they go home to their sweet, darling, wifes. Stuff like dildos,lube, poppers,movie pass, etc. My ex used to patrol the parking lot, gather this stuff up and resell them and pocket the money. This is why he was fired but the manager wouldn't name the guy who witnessed it, so he lost.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 05:36 PM
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40. You would not believe the time spent today discussing the nuances
of the Microsoft Outlook Calendar and the appointment which I was accused of opening- this being my most grievous misconduct which made me worthy of terminating immediately.

What's interesting of course is that they fired me without ever even confronting me with it (the person whose calendar it was simply misunderstood me) or giving me a chance to defend myself. So at the hearing I was completely non-defensive. I just said no, I didn't do that. And that was it. They fired me and made up this grievous misconduct and never even talked to me about it because they love to sneak around and treat you like a criminal and they're so self righteous.

Good honest employees aren't all that easy to come by, especially at retail jobs, so if somebody is dumb enough to fire an honest person, they don't deserve them anyway.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 05:38 PM
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42. Man....
what kinda country is it when you can't even sell used dildos you find in a parking lot without getting stomped on by The Man?
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 06:13 PM
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43. Don't get me wrong
What he did was terrible and sick. BUT, he got away with it because the accuser didn't want anything do to with it.
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