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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 06:13 AM
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Finally saw Donnie Darko tonite... what the hell??
Was it all a dream?? How could the engine have fallen from his mother's plane, when she was in the house??

That rabbit???

I usually figure these things out, but this one's just plain weird...

any clues:)
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 06:34 AM
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1. That was one wierd flick
I hated the ending.
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 06:43 AM
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2. It is the antidote to "It's a Wonderful Life"
It's all about the importance of accepting death at its proper time.

Tucker
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 10:02 AM
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3. there are a lot of theories as to what is going on
Edited on Sun Jul-16-06 10:02 AM by Chan790
but generally they fall into two camps:

Donnie is the savior of the universe because his death seals the wormhole the engine falls through, ending a loop in time.

Donnie is having a schizophrenic episode and none of it is really happening except within his head.

My suggestion is to see if you can find a copy of the director's cut as both theories are fleshed out extensively in the extra 27 minutes.

Also both the Wikipedia site and official site explain it farly well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donnie_Darko

http://www.donniedarko.com/

although the official site requires you to solve puzzles to progress.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 02:50 PM
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6. both are true
this was one of the pkdickian-influenced flicks of 2001 -- and the pkdick reader is already used to the idea that 1) you can have a schizophrenic episode AND 2) weird shit can happen

inarguably donnie gives his life to seal the gap in time

inarguably he is schizophrenic, like most GENUINE shamans, the normal mind can't make the journey and knit the world back into healing -- so evolution throws us these alternative minds from time to time

anyone who has studied shamanism can see where i'm coming from

as far as people saying all threads should be tied up, NO, not in a film of this nature, it would be false to the schizophrenic/shamanic journey to have everything wrapped up in a bow, there are ALWAYS things that don't fit in messy real life occurrences of high weirdness
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 03:18 PM
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9. Who needs a bow?
The story needs to not contradict itself. Even in its own parameters, it isn't consistent. Shamanism doesn't excuse that. A schizophrenic delusion might, but since the movie continues past Donnie's death, that itself would be inconsistent. We aren't in Donnie's head, and so a delusion can't explain what all happens.

I liked the movie, but trying to figure out what happened is a waste of time. The writer doesn't know, he never bothered to work it out. He just strung cool weird stuff together so people would think it was deep. It wasn't deep, it was just incomplete.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 10:44 AM
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4. Unfortunate side effect of sci-fi geeks being taught to read and write.
Actually, it's not that bad. It has inspired a lot of speculation, and every theory comes up with flaws that seem to deconstruct it. My own theory is that it's just a bad script with a lot of holes, thus no real correct interpretation, but at it's heart it raises that whole series of conundrums around whether the past can be changed and what time is in the first place. The complexity of the film is in the subject itself, not the script, which often seems to be more concerned with "weirding out" the audience.

Great performances, though, and nice character development. Within the concept of the film--that a series of events must happen to save the universe--the writing and staging is intriquing and evocative.

SPOILER

The basic idea seems to be that a flaw in time has caused a jet engine to crash into Donnie's house a month early, thus creating a tangential universe which will destroy itself and the real universe if certain issues aren't resolved before the jet engine falls off the plane a month later. Donnie is warned by Frank (the rabbit) to leave his room, thus, he survives the accident. He then must make sure a series of events happen that bring about the right conditions for the plane crash 28 days later. So he meets his girlfriend, and guided by Frank does stuff that causes him to wind up with his girlfriend, exposes the pedaphile self-help guru, that causes the teacher to back out of her plans, that causes the mother and daughter to be on the plane that crashes. Meanwhile, Donnie and his girlfriend must do things that lead to her death, and Frank's death, in the bizarre accident that kills them. Then... the movie just doesn't eplain. Somehow this causes the engine to fall off the plane, go back in time, and kill Donnie, thus saving his family and his girlfriend and Frank. It never explains why Donnie had to make sure everyone else died to correct the time path. The most obvious answer would be that these events were required to make the engine fall off the plane, and so Donnie had to be alive to make them happen, but the engine went back in time and killed him, thus none of the events could happen and the universe was destroyed by getting a headache trying to figure it out. (Typical time-travel movie about how changing one thing causes the whole future to be destroyed). The problem with that theory is that it doesn't explain why Donnie's family is alive again after the event, since the whole point would have been to make sure they were on the plane to die. Maybe Donnie prevented the whole plane crash from happening, but that doesn't make sense, either, since the engine still kills him.

I just think the writer didn't care. He just came up with some time travel scenarios that he knew would keep people thinking incircles, and he wrote a script around them without any firm idea of what happened. But I could be wrong. He could have some secret he just didn't bother to tell anyone that would make the whole thing work. In which case he's a sadist.

Anyway, the whole film reminds me in a perverse way of Magnolia. Lots of neat character development and questions about right, wrong, relevancy, and destiny. Lots of symbolism. If you try to work out what really happened, though, you get nowhere. The whole movie was about Donnie sacrificing himself to save the universe ("Donnie Darko--that sounds like the name of a superhero.") through some weird time hole scenario. After that, I just get a headache. I would never recommend that film to anyone, but I did like it.

And Drew Barrymore was so damned cool in it.

Just my analysis. Probably wrong, as always. This is the result of my job not being as time-consuming as it should be.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 02:45 PM
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5. I agree
with your analysis in general. That the lack of figuring it out is due to holes in the script and that the highlight of the film was Drew Barrymore.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 03:14 PM
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8. The Sense I Got
Edited on Sun Jul-16-06 03:15 PM by Crisco
Was that, at the end, Donnie got himself back into his room for the original crash, thus insuring that the things that followed it (originally) would not happen the second time around. It's been years since I've seen it, so can't explain exactly how I arrived at that.
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Ava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 02:55 PM
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7. watch it again and pay attention to details
it'll make more sense
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 06:37 PM
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14. I read the wikipedia stuff on it, and all the symbolism, BUT
it's still a very disjointed piece of work.. If you assume that the engine kills him on 10-2 (which the final date reads), then NONE of what he "did" in the intervening dates even happened.. We know that Gretchen is alive, so none of the other stuff happens either..

I had the feeling that he dreamed it all as he was dying.. they music even intimated it..and the pictures of "Frank" were on his desk.. like he had drawn them

the wikipedia info from the dirctor's cut info said that his meds were a placebo, and he was NOT mentally ill..:shrug:

weird movie...
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nosillies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 03:47 PM
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10. All my film industry friends think I'm a heathen for not liking this movie
Whatever. There's weird-good and then there's weird-just plain stupid. But maybe I'll take Ava's advice and watch it again. Maybe I'm ready.
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Ava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 03:56 PM
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11. i understand what you are saying
Edited on Sun Jul-16-06 03:58 PM by Ava
there are so many movies that are "independent" that people like that i think are completely insane and stupid, however i was shocked when i liked this one. i actually didn't see it when it first came out and didn't know much about it, but my brother had it and told me i should watch it. it's not my favorite movie, but i did enjoy it (i like movies that screw with your head).
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 04:19 PM
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12. I always thought the movie had something to do with 'Bunnyman Bridge'
In NoVa, as 'Donnie Darko' apparently takes place in NoVa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunnyman
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Spacemom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 04:34 PM
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13. I liked that movie
I can't explain any of it. It just appeals to me subconsciously I guess.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 06:42 PM
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15. watch the extended or deleted scenes on DVD
Explains the rabbit more, explains that the psych person really didn't think he was crazy (which changes the whole thing from "you are nuts kid" to "something really weird is going on with time")
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