WTF???? Dr. Phil thinks Natalee Holloway is a sex slave in Venezuela?

[Taverner]

Apparently the sham artist is dedicating his thursday show to this, showing "never seen before evidence" of why Natalee is a sex slave being held in Venezuela.... :eyes:

If this never seen before evidence is not the imagination of Beth Holloway, why the fuck didn't she tell it to the cops?

Hmmmm I wonder if this will be used as a pretense to invade Venezuela - to bring "freedom" to all the missing pretty white girls being held hostage there? Hmmm......

[Xithras]

1. What's the evidence?

There IS a well-known sex slave trade that spans much of South & Central America, but most of the girls trapped in it are coerced into joining, not kidnapped (i.e., they're tricked into joining and then prohibited from ever leaving).

Is it impossible that Holloway was kidnapped and is being held as a sex slave? No, it's not. Is it likely? Absolutely not...practically all of the women who are kidnapped are taken from the larger continental nations like Mexico, Brazil, and Columbia.

Holloway's fate is tragic, but the decents odds are that she was kidnapped, probably raped, and most definitely murdered. Considering how the island was swept from top to bottom, her body was probably dumped into the ocean and will never be found.

[Taverner]

3. His "evidence" is that Beth received a call

a few days after Natalee's dissapearance with a foreign man speaking a foreign lang, and Natalee's voice in the background... :eyes:

[XemaSab]

51. A foreigner, eh?

I say we go straight over to Foreignland and bomb the shit out of them!

:nuke:

[mtowngman]

10. you're right that her fate is tragic

and you're probably also right about what happened to her, although I pray that you're wrong about that and the young lady returns to her family someday. I don't blame the mother for her vigilance in pursuing an answer, just about any parent would feel this way. I can't stand the media for going along on the sensational ride and not moving on to other things now.

[Renew Deal]

2. I always suspected that she was taken to Venezuala

I don't know where it would go from there.

[Taverner]

6. Personally I think she drowned while skinny dipping

and Joran and Kalpoe panicked....

[Shell Beau]

8. And what is your evidence of that?

There are tons of theories as to what happened to her, but if Dr. Phil is the only one to check out the "sex slave" thing, then so be it. I am sure her parents are thankful.

[Taverner]

15. But that's just it, they are all speculation

Since there was no body, and no evidence other than the circumstantial...we have no idea what happened.

So basically being eaten by sharks is about as probably as murder at this point...

[Shell Beau]

18. Put yourself in her parents shoes.

If you received a call and you swore you heard your child's voice in the background, wouldn't you want it checked out?

[Taverner]

20. True - but I question whether or not that actually happened

If it happened, why didn't she tell the cops - why did she have to wait until now and only tell Dr. Phil?

Personally, I think she made it up because her daughter's story was fading from the headlines, and with it, hope that there would be any resolution.

[underpants]

24. Date rape drug. she woke up, they freaked, someone killed her

they just happened to know someone on that ISLAND who had a boat, they took her off shore and threw her over.

The most obvious is the most likely.

The question is in all this (I by no means am speaking ill of her) is -didn't her friends think it was odd that she was climbing into a car with 4 or 5 guys at 11PM? No? So the were just kids having fun and something went terribbly wrong? Okay stop painting her as a pristine princess and for crying out loud WE GET THE RACIST MESSAGE ALREADY.

That was my Natalle Holloway post on DU.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

37. In my day, I saw a lot of my friends do much more stupid

and suspicious things than hopping in a car at 11 PM with a couple guys.

I never thought twice about it and, even had I decided to do something about it, I wouldn't have known what to do.

And, of course, none of them ever disappeared.

[mongo]

11. Do you have psychic visions?

About Natalee Holloway?

[Taverner]

13. Nope this is all speculation

Based on no facts whatsoever.

I'm shooting at the same rate as Dr. Phil and Fox News btw...

[Renew Deal]

32. No

Do you?

[realisticphish]

4. wow

more reasons for me to hate that man

he's not a psychologist, gives out crappy advice, and.. damn, i just hate him

[Shell Beau]

7. I've watched his show several times and I think he

gives very good advice most of the time. :shrug: And as I said before, it is not that uncommon for women to be sold as sex slaves in certain countries. That is likely not what happened, but I'm sure her parents would like all bases to be covered. I think I would rather be dead than sold as a sex slave. Either way, her fate is grim. :(

[Shell Beau]

5. I don't get your beef with Dr. Phil.

But, being sold as a sex slave in some countries is common. I don't personally think that is what happened, but all areas should be covered.

[Taverner]

12. Well he's a sham psychologist

His dirty secret is that he never did private practice! So all of his advice is either made up on his own, or from a book - but none of it from real life practice!

His "experience" before his show was as a Courtroom expert on psychology. Great place for someone who's experience is all normative, but shitty if he's going to be "America's Psychologist."

I also disagree with his sexist views on women, families and marriage...

[Shell Beau]

14. Well he is doing a great job IMO of giving really good

advice. At least from what I have seen on his show. Plus I have never seen any sexist views from him. :shrug:

:)

[Taverner]

16. Well how about...

His definition of a perfect husband - "If my wife could be happy at home all day without ever having to leave the house - that would prove to me that I am a perfect husband."

"To me the definition of a man is that of how we provide for our families."

[Shell Beau]

21. What is wrong with providing for the family.

As outdated as it sounds, a lot of men still feel that they should be the provider. I've heard advice that he gives and it is about both husband and wife providing for the family in whatever way they feel is best. Whether it be both working or one or the other.

[Taverner]

23. Thing is that's very limiting to men, and insulting to women

Who provide as well. My wife is a working mom and she provides 50/50 - in fact thats how we define our marriage. We provide, but that's not our only definition. We also nurture, we teach, and we love.

[Shell Beau]

30. Both parents contribute. In whatever way. Money

is not the only means to providing. And as a woman, why would I ever insult women? My point is that a lot of men (not only Dr. Phil) feel the need to provide financially for the family. It doesn't have to be that way. Whatever works best for your family. Whether it be, both work, or only one parent works (mom or dad). And that is the message I have gotten from him and the shows I have seen.

[Taverner]

31. I'm not saying you're insulting to women

I was saying the definition is...

We're still friends right?

:pals:

[Shell Beau]

33. Of course we're still pals. Friends can disagree!!

:pals:

[mongo]

22. You should have seen yesterday's show

It was a giant hate fest against men, including cheating married men who claimed to speak for all men. This just in, men are pigs.

It was a bonafide hate-fest.

[Taverner]

27. Unfortnately, I did see it

Wifey watches Dr. Phil occasionally - less so since he's proved to be sexist, homophobic and republican in his views.

And yes, it celebrated HATE. The women may have been hurt badly, but nothing justifies that level of hatred.

[LostinVA]

41. Oh yeah -- I saw the homophobe fest a few weeks back when I

was sick. Wanted to see if old Shill had mended his ways.... nope. It was sickening. Very RW, very circa 1980.

[Taverner]

49. What did he do?

I remember once when he had a teenager who was a lesbian, and he basically told her she shouldn't make judgements on her sexuality yet.... :eyes:

[mongo]

44. Yeah, and he was very exploitative of the women too

He used cult techniques to break them on national TV for entertainment.

[Taverner]

50. Oh yeah I recognized that

Gestalt, EST and Lifespring used the "anger chair" back in the 70's.

[LostinVA]

40. He is extremely sexist, and has gotten worse over the years

That's why I quit watching him -- I used to be a fan of his. It's a shame, because he used to give some decent advice.

[Shell Beau]

46. I haven't noticed any sexism. I don't get to watch

him everyday, but from what I have seen, he has really helped some families.

[realisticphish]

17. he's not even a psychologist

he's an MD

[Taverner]

19. Wow...did not know that

In his defense I will argue that he is planting progressive-like seeds in the minds of his fellow Repubs...

[Shell Beau]

28. Not true

Dr. Phil has a B.S, M.A. and Ph.D. in clinical psychology from North Texas State University with a dual area of emphasis in clinical and behavioral medicine. He has been a board-certified and licensed clinical psychologist since 1978.

[LostinVA]

42. No he's not -- he has a Ph.D., he is NOT an MD

It's in Psychology. Although he acts like it sometimes.

He also had a relationship with a patient, and that's why he no longer had a practice. All over Google, not a secret.

[Taverner]

29. One last beef: he is insulting to Texans

If I were a Texan, I would consider him the worst caricature of Texas ever to grace the airways.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

39. Worse than Bush??????

I don't really have an opinion one way or the other on Dr. Phil, but the man can at least form complete sentences without completely butchering the language.

[underpants]

9. BREAKING -Pa. Governor calls for boycott of homeschoolers

Check LBN

[JVS]

25. Hugo Chavez is most certainly involved! Invade now!

See Faux news for details.

[LSK]

26. I think Tom Cruise's alien friends took her to the mothership

Where she will become the Queen of Scientology!! :crazy:

[pitohui]

34. natalee took her opportunity to run away

frankly who can blame her

[Shell Beau]

35. Why would you say that?

[friesianrider]

36. Um...huh?

:wtf: does that mean?

[LostinVA]

38. Old news... Dr. Shill said that on Leno a week or so ago

He has way jumped the shark.... misogynist, hypocritical prick.

[mongo]

45. Dr. Phil is an equal opportunity sexist

It's all about reinforcing the status quo and religious conventions, and he will bash all women or all men in the process. He uses human behavior to create anger or shame to further the agenda.

[Tikki]

43. This Dr. Phil is for: *WARNING*... Entertainment Purposes.....

...Only.

If it entertains you to sit around for an hour or so fantasizing about the fate of this girl...well "Then, that's your thing".

[Shell Beau]

47. .

:shrug:

[mongo]

48. LOL.

And there was a thread yesterday about people searching for the rape video of the McDonalds employee.

Pot meet Kettle.