BREAKING: Eagles just say NO to T.O.

[kick-ass-bob]

Reid: T.O. will not play for Eagles this season


Terrell Owens will not play for the Philadelphia Eagles again this season.

Coach Andy Reid announced Monday that Owens had been suspended by the team for four games for conduct detrimental to the team, the maximum games allowed by league rules, and would not return to the team for the remainder of the season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2216703



edited to add "BREAKING" because we all know this is the most important story of the day. :D

[KitchenWitch]

1. Good for the Eagles

The message needed to be sent to TO.

[WeRQ4U]

2. Good move.

They needed to do that to save some face and to keep Donovan McNabb from asking for a trade.

Owens is worse than Randy Moss EVER was.

[KitchenWitch]

3. Funny, but I agree with you!

And I am NO fan of Wahhhndy Moss.

[WeRQ4U]

6. He did some really shitty stuff, and made some people mad....

But I don't think he was even CLOSE to being sat down for the season due to his conduct.

[KitchenWitch]

10. I think he could have been for the meter maid incident...

If you or I did it, it would have been a felony, and we would still be serving time.

[WeRQ4U]

20. Yeah, that was ridiculous.

You're right too. If it had been you or I, it would have been charged out as "Assault with a Deadly Weapon" or something. He gets a moving violation.

LOL

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

24. Moss is football's Manny Ramirez

He's a dumbass and a jerk, but he's not an absolute clubhouse cancer by any means.

TO redefines "clubhouse cancer".

[underpants]

4. Why? What did he do that was so wrong?

He just stated his opinion...in fact it was his opinion about someone else's opinion of his QB what is so wrong with that????

Just kidding.

I did love sticking it to my buddy who plays Fantasy Football about this-the is no TEAM in fantasy football no points for wins or penalty for losing.

[kick-ass-bob]

7. I like that he faught someone after the guy said he was faking an injury

how could he fight well if he couldn't really walk well? :think:

[WeRQ4U]

21. PLUS.... He was trying to fight Hugh Douglas.

Kind of a size mismatch there.

[redqueen]

5. Eagles...

:rofl:

[mattomjoe]

8. Evidently, T.O. learned nothing from what happened to Meshawn

moran....

[kick-ass-bob]

9. is he still playing?

[mattomjoe]

12. yep, he's with the Cowboys

[Halliburton]

38. at least he's good

can't say the same for meshawn

[MN ChimpH8R]

11. This year's Keyshawn

Owens seems to be hell bent on proving that someone in professional sports can be an even bigger jackass than Barry Bonds. It's quite an accomplishment, actually. The Eagles will be a better team without him. Not more talented, but better as a team.

[northzax]

40. now, to be fair

Bonds is a jerk to the media, and often the public, but not his teammates. Owens is nice to the media and the public, but a jerk to his team.

[LynneSin]

13. Thank you Andy, we'll suffer but we'll find a way to win a few more games

Yes, it was heartbreaking to watch our team lose to another team that personally, I don't think as the talent that our team has. But Owens has been doing this all season long and with McNabb playing injured (a real trooper if you ask me), the last thing we need is Owens badmouthing us and bringing down morale even more.

Somehow, someway we'll find a way to win the games needed to get us to the playoffs. We have the talent, we just need to get the TO situation out of our heads. But I would rather Reid bench T.O. then to keep this asshole in just so we might win a few extra games.

Our team is better than that and we'll be even better when we ditch his ass next year and find better talent at Wide Receiver.

[kick-ass-bob]

14. I hope no one picks him up for next year.

Let him sit and think about what an ass he has been.

[ScreamingMeemie]

15. I am hoping and crossing my fingers that the Packers stay true to their

rule of no major attitude problems....cause I sure as hell don't want him in GB.

[kick-ass-bob]

16. I can't imagine him playing up there.

He really does not fit in with the green and gold.

[ScreamingMeemie]

17. he'd be boo'd off the field...seriously...i think.

:hi:

[KitchenWitch]

19. He would be welcomed nearly as much as Randy Moss would!

:hi:

[LynneSin]

18. Great article in the Philly Daily News about that

Someone will pick him up next year; however, TO will never make the money that ironically is what put him in this position where he is right now.

This all started because he complained that he should be making more than 7.5mil/year he was currently making. Remember, back when we picked him up only one other team was interested in signing TO which was the Ravens. The league already knew he was risky because of his attitude.

So more than likely we'll see TO in the league again; however, he'll probably never make more than what he was making here in Philly since who is going to want to pay $7.5mil/year for a troublemaking 32 year old wide receiver.

TO shot himself in the foot but his pride is so large he will never even try to make the steps to rehabilitate his image

[MsUSA]

27. He just doesn't get it.

Was listening to Dan Patrick today, and he was saying that a lot of people made reference to Michael Irvin too about his playing days, but DP said Michael never called out his QB. You never call out your QB, and TO is just a stupid gifted athlete that didn't learn that. Cancer is right.

[mtowngman]

22. The Eagles knew

what they were getting when they signed him, he was the same TO with the 49er's. I don't think Andy Reid's a genius for finally shutting his act down, If Mccnabb were healthy and the Eagles had a shot, Owens would be playing and the fickle Philly fans would be kissing his butt and wearing their #81 jerseys all over the place. C'mon now.

[LynneSin]

26. TO started this back in pre-season when McNabb was healthy

When TO went free agent after the 2003 season, only two teams bidded on him (Eagles and the Ravens). That's because everyone knew he was trouble; however, as much trouble that he was he was also very talented. That's why we were able to get him at a reduced price because there really wasn't much of a bidding war.

TO proved himself in 2004 by having a stellar season and helping us get to the Super Bowl. Suddenly TO thinks he's worth more than the 7.5mil he's getting and starts bad-mouthing everyone in pre-season including McNabb. He was even suspended for a few pre-season games in order quiet him up.

To be honest, I was suprised it took this long for TO to start doing the badmouthing again. In the beginning of the season he has some amazing games. But it all went downhill again.

We took a chance and the gambled paid off a bit but now failed.

[mtowngman]

53. No doubting his talent

and I agree with your earlier post, some team will pick him up.

[imperialismispasse]

23. Teeee-oh! Tee-oh tee-oh tee-ohhhhh

Well no more TO chants at the stadium. Weird.

[fortyfeetunder]

135. How about TO is TU! n/t

[Initech]

25. T.O. = Barry Bonds of football

Why? They're both overrated as hell (and have egos so massive they could sink their entire respective cities) yet neither one played over ten games this season!

[friesianrider]

28. Just remember, please...

That he has feelings, too. I wish people didn't delight in someone else's problems so much.

[tallahasseedem]

29. Please tell me

that you accidently left off the sarcasm at the end. This man has been pulling this crap for a while. Cya TO.

[friesianrider]

33. No, I didn't.

[MN ChimpH8R]

31. Owens "problems" were caused by two things

A ridiculously inflated sense of himself and a constantly flapping mouth. He's the poster child for bringing on one's own "misfortunes." And he ain't gonna be wondering how to make house payment like I am these days. Screw 'im.

[friesianrider]

34. Sorry, but you don't even know the half of it.

[tallahasseedem]

48. Well, then maybe you can

enlighten us with your vast amount of inside information.

[friesianrider]

57. No, it isn't worth it.

I value my friendships more than that. I don't want to put his business all over some message board more than I already have.

All I am saying is that for sure there is more information to this story than is being said. It'd probably make no difference to some people - they just enjoy treating athletes as some kind of unemotional, stoic figure that isn't an actual HUMAN BEING underneath it all. I'm only asking that people keep that in mind before jumping all over someone they don't even know.

[ContraBass Black]

61. But jumping all over people is what we do!

People like me, who don't really care about how the Eagles do, enjoy some of his public antics.

[ProfessorGAC]

76. If The Issue Is That Private, Then Why Didn't HE Keep It Private

Sorry, but that is a fairly lame excuse, and somewhat hard to believe as well.
The Professor

[GalleryGod]

32. As a season ticket holder, I enjoy the "Tough Times" as much as the Good

times...more seat space on the Bandwagon during tough times.
I don't think the window has closed for the Eagles...but I do think the "shade is drawn" for this season.

[hfojvt]

36. what problems?

he's a multi-millionaire, isn't he? I would love to trade problems with him, but I cannot understand why the Eagles cannot work with him. He seemed to be doing a good job on the field, and helping the team there. I think the team is going to miss him. I also think that the team is wrong not to recognize individual accomplishments. If members of a team achieve alot, that is a credit to the team.

[friesianrider]

37. You're right.

I agree that individual achievements should be recognized. Terrell was one of like 6 players ever to score 100 TDs. The Eagles should have tried to work with him again, but there's been a lot of things happen that haven't been reported.

[northzax]

41. Curtis Martin scored his 100th yesterday

what did the Jets do? er, nothing. And that was 100 TDs with the same team. 81 of TOs were in San Francisco. Maybe they'd do something after he passed his SF numbers in Philly?

The Eagles have a long standing policy of not recognizing individual achievments, it's not a secret, everyone in the NFL knows it. If he wanted individual recognition, he should have signed with the Ravens, I'm sure they would have thrown him a parade.

But we've been over this, I just think it's a shame that he's so unprofessional, he's wasting the later stages of a hall of fame career, and it's nobody's fault but his.

[friesianrider]

42. Okay...

You seriously need to stop stalking me all over DU. It seems like every post I write there you are breathing down my throat with some snide comment.

I'm going to say this once more: there's much more to this story than has been reported. Whether you think it is his fault or not, that doesn't excuse the fact that he is obviously upset about it all and I'm sorry so many delight in the situation. It's bad for the Eagles as a team and it is bad for Terrell as a player. I just think it sucks that people (who are apparently perfect) delight so much in someone else's troubles.

[northzax]

43. not stalking, don't worry

you simply post things I find absurd and feel the need to reply to. :hi:

I have expressed delight in this, only sadness that such a talented person is screwing up their career.

[friesianrider]

44. Sure seems like it.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but you really have no idea what you're talking about, nor do you know what is really happening (and neither do half the people calling him names and bitching about him) so I just wanted to defend him a little. I'm sorry if you find that absurd.

[_testify_]

46. What's really happening?

What's this other part of the story nobody knows?

[friesianrider]

47. I'm not going to go into it.

All I am going to say is that half the story behind this hasn't even been reported, and that I wish people would just get off Terrell's back a little bit.

[_testify_]

55. That's weak.

Obviously you're an Eagles fan, and a TO fan. That's cool. And it's fine to express your feelings about the situation, especially when they go against the common perception.

But you can't tell people not to form an opinion based on the available reports because you have some sort of ultra-secret information that you can't be bothered to share.

Remember when Cheney said 9-11 & Iraq were connected on Meet the Press, and Russert called him on it? Cheney's response was that he had information nobody else did, but he couldn't share it.

It was weak then and it's weak now.

[friesianrider]

56. I don't give a shit what you believe.

I've known Terrell as a friend for some time now, and I'm telling you you have no fucking clue what you're talking about - there's more to the story, and I'm not going to put all his business out on a public message board more than I already have. You can call it whatever you want or think whatever you want - makes no difference to me. I'm just saying you don't know what you're saying and you damn sure don't know Terrell.

I'd just love to see any of these people say this shit to his face.

[ContraBass Black]

62. I think it better not to hint at inside information if you're not going

to share.

[_testify_]

64. Donovan, is that you?!?

I knew it!

[northzax]

65. I think that's what Hugh Douglas did

and he got attacked. So I think I'll pass on that.

[friesianrider]

67. That's a shame...

I would so enjoy seeing you personally tell Terrell what you think of him. (or, is it that I'd just more enjoy seeing his reaction to what you think of him?)

:evilgrin:

[northzax]

68. that he's wasting a one in a million talent?

that he should stop pointing fingers and start looking inside himself whenever he can't get along with people? that he's a genius at what he does (yes, including his PR stunts like the Sharpie) but that he can't stop rubbing the people he works with the wrong way? That he hired a crappy agent? that his perpensity to say dumb things to the media has cost him millions of dollars?

now, would he take criticism, or respond violently? cause if he's a good a decent soul as you say he is, and I have no reason to suspect he's not, then he might say "I don't agree with you" or some such, but I doubt he'd resort to physical violence. If he did resort to violence, that would kind of prove the point, wouldn't it?

[friesianrider]

77. Who said anything about violence?

I know I didn't.

Why don't you sit down and write him a letter - it seems you and a few others have a lot you need to get off your chest. I'll be happy to give it to him if you'd like to PM it to me, or you can write him at his house. I'm sure he'd be deeply affected by your profound and moving words of wisdom.

[Shakespeare]

98. Dear Terrell:

Stop being such an insufferable dick.

Sincerely,
Shakespeare, who watched you pull the same crap with the 49ers.

p.s. to friesianrider: You're the one who's dating him, right? Just trying to get the angle on your pro-Terrell position.

[friesianrider]

99. Thanks...

Will pass that along to him.

[Shakespeare]

100. You forgot to add this to your response:

:sarcasm:

And I refer you to post #71 for further explanation of why so many of us just have no patience left for Owens. Frankly, I think it's kind of pathetic, because he has such incredibly great talent. And he's squandering it.

[friesianrider]

101. It wasn't sarcastic.

Seriously.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but you're wrong about him.

[Shakespeare]

102. He's a public figure.

And my opinion of him is based upon his public behavior. So, no, that doesn't make me wrong.

[friesianrider]

103. Ha....

That's an...er...interesting analogy. Your opinion of his public behavior may be right, but your opinion of him in general is not.

So yes, you are wrong.

[Shakespeare]

105. That's illogical.

I have an opinion of his public behavior. I never ventured a "general" opinion of him.

He may be a complete prince behind closed doors, but as a professional football player, he's acted like a complete dick (and that goes way back beyond just Philly).

So, no, I'm not wrong.

[friesianrider]

106. As I said, you're entitled to your opinions...

But I'm entitled to mine, and since I have a little more information to go on than you...my opinion is you're wrong. :shrug:

[Shakespeare]

108. And as I said, I'm addressing the public TO, not the private one.

And just as you have your own opinion, you also have certain biases.

[friesianrider]

109. Yes, I'm biased...

Because I know more about him than you do. Typically the more informed someone is, the more credibility their opinion has.

I don't get the "I was addressing the public not private TO." :wtf: is that? He isn't a two-sided sculpture - he is a human being the same as you and I. He has said and done things he isn't proud of - as I'm sure you have. Would you want me to see only the bad things you've said and done and judge you based on them? Then qualify my ill-informed opinions as "well, I'm only addressing the 'public' Shakespeare." His mistakes are just magnified, repeated, and discussed all over the place.

All I'm asking is that people keep an open mind to this and not judge based on "what you've heard."

[Shakespeare]

110. What do you find so hard to understand?

I'm critical of his public behavior. As far as that is concerned, my opinion is just as valid as yours. I'm critical of his behavior as an NFL football player, and that is all. Yes, it is possible to form an opinion on only one aspect of what a person does. In fact, it's done all the time. As to your half-assed analogy that you'd be addressing only "the 'public' Shakespeare," it's completely absurd. Why? Because I'm not a public figure. TO is. Ergo, he's open to criticism of his public behavior.

I'm uncertain why you seem to have such trouble understanding that.

And as for yoru request to keep an open mind, who am I supposed to believe? An anonymous person on a message board who claims to know him, or my own lyin' eyes? See the problem with that?

[friesianrider]

111. What is it *you* find so hard to understand?

I'm asking you to realize he is a human being the same as you and I, and to please judge him accordingly - as a whole package. Not as a "public" Terrell and a "private" Terrell. In order to judge the whole package, I'd think you'd need a bit of insight into who he is in other aspects of his life other that what you see on the news. Do you get it now, or am I typing too fast?

You don't have to believe anything I say, but surely you believe there is more to the story than is being reported. I'm saying your opinions are perfectly fine - but just that I disagree with them. If that's a problem then I suggest you just start talking to yourself in a mirror - because that's the only place you'll always find someone who is in 100% agreement with you.

I never said you had no right to have an opinion on him as a public figure. I was taking issue with you calling him an "insufferable dick." That implies that he as a person is just that, which I challenged. If you meant that he is an "insufferable dick" as a football player, perhaps you should have clarified. Or, if you don't, I will clarify it for you that perhaps you think he is in a public form, but as a person he is nothing like that. I've said repeatedly that you are of course entitled to your opinion, but that I disagree. Yet you cannot seem to accept that, and I'm sorry that that's the case.

I notice you refuse to address pretty much everything I've said thus far other than attacking me, so to even attempt to have a conversation with you is pointless. I do hope for your own sake, you learn to recognize when it's time to just walk away.

[Shakespeare]

115. No, you have repeatedly told me that I'm wrong.

That's a pretty straightforward dismissal of my opinion. I don't care WHAT he's like in private--he's been a disaster for Philly, and for San Francisco before that, and so on. As a player, he has, indeed, been an insufferable dick. Hint, hint: I'm hardly the only person who's made that same observation. Wanna ask McNabb what HE thinks of Owens? And what is there to believe beyond what's been reported? I certainly don't think there's some big conspiracy to destroy Owens' career; he's pretty much taken care of that himself. The only stories I've read deal with his actions as a player. And that's all I EVER addressed. As for your belated demand that I "clarify" my criticism, that's ridiculous, and unnecessary. That you took my opinion so personally says much more about you than it does about me.

Let me give you a little insight: I happen to be close to some key media players who are mercilessly attacked here on DU (and I assure you the things said about them are far, far worse than any criticism that's been hurled at TO). Because they're public figures, and because everyone's going to have an opinion about that, especially at DU, I pretty much keep my mouth shut and don't rush about trying to defend what nice people I know them to be. Their professional actions are absolutely fair game for opinions--no matter how nasty--and I understand that.

Now: what is there to address other than your repeated assertion that "oh, he's really a nice guy"??? When you make a complete ass of yourself professionally, it starts to not really matter how nice you are in private. "Oh, he's complex" is not an effective excuse for that behavior. I know lots of assholes who are complex people--but that doesn't mean they're not assholes.

What I'm trying to tell you is that it doesn't matter how nice he is in private--which you claim--because that doesn't change how he's acted professionally.

Now, if you can tell me specifically what I've failed to address, I'd be happy to do so point by point.

[friesianrider]

116. Yes, because my opinion is that you are wrong.

But I read your post and your points are noted and respected. I just disagree wholeheartedly.

[Shakespeare]

117. Actually, I think your opinion is that TO is a victim.

And that's what I, and others, have taken issue with. Big difference.

[friesianrider]

119. No, I do not think he is a victim.

I've said repeatedly on many threads that I don't condone what he said or think it was appropriate or professional. I am just trying to get others to see that there is another side to this - his.

[Shakespeare]

120. Well, we'll see that any minute now at the press conference.

Looking forward to seeing what he has to say.

[friesianrider]

121. He apologized to everyone.

[Shakespeare]

122. Good. n/t

[enigmatic]

123. I've got a friend that works as a sportswriter

In a southwestern city; we were pretty good friends when we both lived in the same city, and still talk occasionally by email. He tells me alot of the behind the scences stuff in the NFL and MLB; his thoughts on Owens (dealing w/ him firsthand after games and on weeks when the team he covers played the 49ers and now the Eagles) is that he's a first-class egomaniac who's also the worst teammate he's ever seen. And this is coming from a guy who defends Barry Bonds whenever he can to me and anyone else.

I take his word on this.

[Wetzelbill]

129. you know, I don't think I like you

too much pal. You might want to back off or I'm telling mom and dad. :)

[kick-ass-bob]

112. I'd just give up.

This poster obviously thinks we are all bad people and doesn't understand why we are "attacking her"

Actually, she just doesn't want to get it, and thinks people are stalking her after she makes confrontational posts.

On edit: I see you replied, but as I said earlier, I am not able to read what you just wrote.

[friesianrider]

114. I'd go back and re-read some of your posts.

You seem to be an individual incapable of discussing this rationally and without the cursing and foot-stomping and dramatic exits and name calling. For someone who criticizes Terrell for doing the same things...

I'm making confrontational posts? As my mother used to say, it takes one to know one. Pot, meet kettle.

I thought you were leaving, anyway....?

[Wetzelbill]

128. it would be a good idea for everybody to step back and give fresianrider..

some space. Obviously she feels strong about this and takes issue to it. You all aren't going to see eye to eye on it. It's getting a bit ugly all around, so maybe everybody should step back and let it go a bit.

[GalleryGod]

104. I think Terrell is an incredibly complex individual...if I ever met him...

I'd thank him for last season and his Super Bowl performance!
It was magical:applause:

[friesianrider]

107. You're 110% correct...

Incredibly complex is an understatement...but he's a good man with a good heart underneath all the BS.

It's so unfortunate it came to all of this - last season was truly magical.

[Wetzelbill]

130. hell yeah, nobody really knows the score

I think the guy's been feeling cornered, and both he and the Eagles aren't handling the whole situation that well. They guy gives it all when he's on the field and he can seriously play.

[kick-ass-bob]

69. I would have no problem telling him what I think of him.

Unlike some people who hide behind secrecy and innuendo, I would have no problem backing up anything I say. Why should I be afraid? Because he might pick a fight? Does that not prove the point that everyone is making?

Terrell, you are wasting your talent by being the worst sort of teammate. You can't build yourself up by tearing down others, no one likes it, and it takes you down as well.


If this were an isolated incident, I would be more forgiving. BUT, he has done this with more than one team, and on more than one occassion. He thinks he is bigger than everyone, and that is just plain stupid.

[friesianrider]

73. Who said anything about violence?

You've said what you think, and I have no doubt he couldn't care less. I know I couldn't!

I find it interesting that people who have never met the man claim to "know" what he "thinks" and who he is. You DON'T know, but that doesn't stop you from running your mouth, now does it? I guess you and he have something in common.

[kick-ass-bob]

78. Your QUOTE:

"I would so enjoy seeing you personally tell Terrell what you think of him. (or, is it that I'd just more enjoy seeing his reaction to what you think of him?)"

Well, which way is it, miss? First you say you want to see it, then you backtrack and say you don't give a shit. You really need to keep your ranting straight, otherwise you just look like a complete ass.

Guess the fuck what? I am not and never have said I know him - but I can see what kind of person he is by his ACTIONS. The true mark of a person is not what he/she says, but what he/she does. And I haven't seen any evidence that he gives a shit about anyone but himself.

So get off your high horse and your "I know something you don't know" spiel because all that does is make you look pitiful.

And if you don't give a shit what we believe, then

WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU HERE????

And to address your edit: You allude to violence after replying to the post that mentions the person he got in a fight with.

[friesianrider]

81. Yes, and?

Tell me where I say that he will beat you up, hit you, or whatever. Seriously. Show me. Nowhere do I say anything about him inflicting violence on you or anyone else...so you'd best check your attitude at the door.

LOL...and you're complaining that HE has temper problems? Pot, meet kettle. You need to stop with the personal attacks and chill out a little. It isn't a matter if I know things you do not (although I do), but a matter if you don't know anything about him other than what ESPN said about him. So don't make moral or character judgments about him based on that alone. You have never spent an ioda of a second with him to know what the hell you're talking about.

There should be a disclaimer on DU: THINK before you say something stupid! :)

[kick-ass-bob]

85. So why are you here?

You come in and say "you don't know him" but don't offer anything beyond that.
Then you pull the passive aggressive shit all over the place.

Well, I could say I know Drew Rosenhaus personally and how he is so misunderstood. But I don't want to go into the details.

Do you see how no one would believe me?

Right back atcha.

You know that new DU rule? I'm saying it now. Goodbye.

[friesianrider]

88. LOL, because I can be?

Because DU is a public place? Hmm...shall I explain it slower or is this your message board and no one can post unless you say so? :eyes: If someone was talking smack on one of your friends, you'd want to stick up for him, wouldn't you?

I value my friends and my friendships very much. If I thought it would be ok with him to put his business all over a message board, then I'd probably go into detail. Surely you can understand that and if you don't then that is your problem and not mine. What I said from the get go was, please try and keep an open mind to this situation because there is a lot that has happened that has not been reported.

Love how you can't answer where I ever said he would physically attack you. Nice avoidance technique you got going on there - jump down someone's throat for something they never said, then back track. Smoooooth ;)

I honestly don't know why you're being so aggressive and insulting towards me (or Terrell for that matter), but you might want to take some time off this thread if you're getting this excited and aggitated over someone you've nevet met nad probably will never meet.

[Wetzelbill]

49. I think the Eagles and everybody involved have done a bad job

with all of this. It's not like they didn't know the guy was brash when they got him. So the guy talks a lot and ruffles feathers? A lot of it can be ignored. When he's on the field he comes to play as hard if not harder than anybody else. The guy laid it all out on the line during the Super Bowl last year. Sure, he isn't the easiest guy to deal with but if he was that difficult he would have never been in the league so long. If he was that bad then he'd have flamed out like Ryan Leaf did. The Eagles have botched this just as bad, if not worse than T.O. has. Plenty of blame to go all around.

[northzax]

66. I think the knew exactly what they were getting into

and frankly, got one great season out of it.

[imperialismispasse]

70. Is he the Eagle your dating?

You mentioned before you were dating an Eagles player or maybe you hinted at it in enough posts that it was pretty easy to figure out. I didnt make comments about TO, and Im not trying to be disrespectful. I'm just curious.

[Renew Deal]

30. Maybe TO will grow up a little.

But I doubt it.

[GalleryGod]

35. I,Too,Doubt it..as long as someone is willing to pay him.

Management and the team took a gamble and it didn't work out for the long run; as Kenny Boy Lay would say, "That's bid-ness!".

The NFL is merely a 20 week run of a bad Broadway musical..nothing more,nothing less.

[Halliburton]

39. Who would want this guy?

I know someone will take him because he is so damn good but he's a terrible teammate. Fortunately, for the Eagles, they realized this before it was too late.

[Wetzelbill]

50. just depends

Cory Dillon was supposed to be poison when he was with the Bengals, but he's been anything but with the Pats. This situation has been handled bad all around. A fresh start for all involved might do them all good.

[Borgnine]

45. This had me scratching my head.

I was thinking of the classic rock band "The Eagles" when I first saw this.

[LeftyMom]

51. As a Niner fan, I'm soooooooo glad he's some other team's problem.

:D

[RevCheesehead]

52. Does this mean no more stupid deoderant commecials?

Awright! :bounce:

[Fox Mulder]

54. It's about time.

Poor Philly. I feel sorry for them for having to put up with T.O. He has such an inflated opinion of himself...plus he doens't play well with others.

Hopefully other teams won't pick him up. I'm almost certain they'll have the same problems as Philly (and San Fran) if they do happen to pick him up.

[sendero]

58. Crybaby athletes like this..

... are a main reason I don't waste much time with pro sports.

I enjoy a good football game, but for me it is ruined with the showboating, antics and basically what we used to call "bad sportsmanship" when I was a kid.

Guys like this who were born with a genetic gift to be great at catching a ball who cannot shut up their stupid mouths and stop flaunting their fragile egos are really pretty sad.

[alarimer]

59. Good

He's a shithead. Spoiled brat, crybaby, selfish asshole. He should be thrown out of the league and never allowed to play again. It would send a message to all the other spoiled brats out there. They get paid a hell of a lot of money to play a damned game and all they can do is shit all over their teammates??

[ContraBass Black]

60. Anybody who dances on the Cowboy's star gets props from me.

:evilgrin:

[hippiechick]

63. Why don't they just waive him ?

I'm sure being on suspension, he's still bringin' down the bling bling, isn't he ?

If it's supposed to be 'disciplinary' ... make it hurt !

[kick-ass-bob]

72. he doesn't get paid for the 4 game suspension

but that is the limit that the Eagles can do.

I think that amounts to about $800k.

[fishnfla]

79. The players have rights under the collective bargaining agreement

The NFL players union is going to bat for him. I dont know all the ins and outs, but the max. discipline action for this type of dispute is 4 games suspended without pay. Beyond that, I think the Eagles have to eat his contract so they dont want him playing for another team.Again, I dont understand all the ins& outs...

Chris Havel is in the GB Press-Gazette today saying the Packers should pick him up,,,,,oh boy :eyes:

Thanks for the Ray links via pm hippster! :hi:

[northzax]

86. no, then someone else would sign him

to a one year deal, and he'd be on his best behaviour for the year, just to show the Eagles that they screwed up. Why give a weapon to a potential opponent? He doesn't actually make that much money, in the grand scheme of things, the worst punishment is to simply keep him off the field.

[GOPisEvil]

71. Ya know, after one divorce...or two, maybe it isn't you.

After your 3rd or 4th...maybe it IS you.

Steve Mariucci
Jeff Garcia
Donovan McNabb
Andy Reid

I know Terrell Owens had a very difficult childhood and has some socialization issues, but perhaps he should address them instead of creating alternate truths that are destructive to team unity.

[kick-ass-bob]

74. Don't forget his dissing of the entire Baltimore organization.

[GOPisEvil]

75. I knew I was forgetting something.

I mean...when Drew Rosenhaus is thinking of dropping you (as reported on ESPN's Cold Pizza this morning), that has to say something.

[LynneSin]

80. Some say his problem is the agent that he has

I forget the agent's name, but he's been pushing Owens trying to get him to negotiate for more money. Now, because of what Owens has done to the Eagles, Owens will probably never make more money than what he was making right now. He's 32 years old and has 2 strikes against him with two different teams. Without a doubt Owens will be playing again in the NFL but no one is going to want to commit to a big price-tag contract for fear that he'll do to them what he did to the Eagles.

Andy Reid & Donovan McNabb are 2 of the classiest, nicest people you'll find in the NFL. When Rush Limbaugh make racist comments against McNabb, McNabb didn't mouth off but showed class in his reaction (and basically exploded on the field with one of his best seasons).

[kick-ass-bob]

82. Did he have Drew R. when he was in SF?

I thought he switched at some point - meaning that he had a problem pre-Drew.

[GOPisEvil]

84. TO's previous agent messed up badly.

He missed a deadline in the contract to make him a free agent, thus making it necessary for the 49ers to trade him.

[kick-ass-bob]

87. oh God - that was him?

:banghead:

He does need to look at who he surounds himself with.

[GOPisEvil]

89. His previous agent is a guy named David Joseph

Big oops for him. :(

[kick-ass-bob]

90. I wonder if he has any clients any more?

Would YOU trust him?

:scared:

[GOPisEvil]

92. TO kept him on as agent for another year.

He didn't hire Rosenhaus until earlier this year.

Would I trust him? Do you think he'd make the same mistake twice? But still, I'd put those important dates on MY personal calendar, just to be sure. ;)

[LynneSin]

96. Rosenhaus - that's the asshole

Owens had to take what he could get when he came to the Eagles because lets face it - nobody really wanted him. But the agent pushed Owens into renegotiating this year because of the great season that Owens had with the Eagles in 2004. To be honest, we got to the Super Bowl because of Owen's great season. But as soon as Owens started to demand a renegotiation he also started the badmouthing.

And this is an easy choice for Eagles fans - we'll take McNabb first before Owens

[GOPisEvil]

97. Baltimore wanted him.

Traded for him, in fact. But, had Owens' agent not screwed up, he'd have joined the Eagles, mostl likely. So, somehow, the league voided the trade and made it all come up roses. By all rights, TO should have been catching passes in Baltimore last year.

[GOPisEvil]

83. Well, Brian Westbrook bargained publicly and got a new deal.

So, it does work in some situations.

But, yeah, Owens' next deal will be at the league veteran minimum, but will have a boatload of incentives. NFL coaches (many of them) are egotistical enough to think that their system will make Terrell happy and productive.

The Eagles, though, are one of the penny-pinching-est teams in the NFL. They are consistently under the salary cap, and I know that rankles some players who feel that the team could do more.

[northzax]

91. true, but at no point

did Westbrook publically insult the people he was negotiating with.

[GOPisEvil]

93. Well that is an important distinction.

Bargaining publicly CAN work, but only if both sides remain somewhat professional.

Yeah, calling your employer classless isn't a smart idea. Even if they ARE classless, calling them that in public is dangerous to your continued employment.

[LynneSin]

94. Brian Westbrook doesn't have a history of being an asshole

:D

[GOPisEvil]

95. Yet another important distinction.

:D

[SuperWonk]

113. Press conference ...

At 3pm, EST...

Stay tuned.

[kick-ass-bob]

118. Tuesday Morning QB's Take on TO:

In other football news, He Who Must Not Be Named is now He Who Need Not Be Named. This gentleman continued to throw selfish temper tantrums because there was never a cost associated with such behavior. Every time he denounced teammates or demanded special treatment, he got away with it. Now there has finally been a cost. The NFL Players Association has filed a grievance, but NFL players have a stake in making sure the discipline sticks -- because they will benefit. The descent from team play to selfishness is what started the NBA's tumble from charmed sport to vanishing ratings. It is imperative the me-first virus, busily destroying the financial structure of pro basketball, not be allowed to catch on in the NFL. Eagles owner Jeff Lurie should be lauded for taking a stand for the whole league; players will benefit too, as keeping the me-first contagion out of the NFL will preserve the league's ability to provide handsome income to the majority on NFL rosters. Now, sports media -- let's see a little more attention for the majority of players who bust their busts, never complain and behave with dignity in public, a little less 24-hour coverage of a guy who deserves to be traded to a day-care center.

http://nfl.com/news/story/9030970

[mvd]

124. I'm a big Eagles fan - here's my take

I supported the decision to kick him off the team. He had been warned before, and he blamed the media instead of being truly apologetic. I thought his latest comment about McNabb was his worst comment yet because saying Favre would be better for the team does not sound good considering the racism directed at African American quarterbacks. I really did think T.O. sounded heartfelt today, though. I think he has an ego and can't control what he says, but T.O. is more childish than malicious IMO. And his on-field antics are meant to be fun. I'd let him back with the stipulation that any further comments detrimental to the team and there will be no forgiving. Right now, it's up to Owens to prove he can be a good teammate when the team faces adversity - because of what happened in San Francisco.

[GalleryGod]

125. Good to hear from someone from the Philly area.

Barkley was misunderstood in this town,too, MVD.
IMHO there is a really nice person under all that bombast.
It's just sad,very sad for all of his ,here, in the Delaware Valley.;(

[mvd]

126. Agreed - the whole situation is a shame

T.O. could have had an impact in that Redskins game IMO.

[SuperWonk]

127. How can you watch...

the press conference and not think to yourself, "Isn't it a little late for this?"

Give me a break!

[mvd]

131. That I agree with

It would have been better to apologize when it happened.

[northzax]

132. apologies a week after the fact

and after a very public punishment, are pretty much useless, in my mind. Now, if McNabb comes out and says, "you know, TO called me and apologised to me, personally, I've accepted his apology with his assurance that it won't happen again," and Jeff Laurie, Andy Reid and the entire coaching staff, along with every single starter, said the same thing, then let him back. Otherwise, it's a forced apology, like a company when the lawyers say "oh, shit, apologize, without accepting blame" it's meaningless when it is forced.

In my opinion, and it's just my opinion, TO should spend the next three weeks talking to every single person involved, meet them personally, and talk to them. Explain to them what he was thinking and feeling, and listen to them about what they were thinking and feeling after he said what he did last week. Try and understand why it pissed so many people off. He may never have a future in Philly, but if he can demonstrate, privately, that he understands what happened, and can swallow enough pride to learn from it (which is not easy, for anyone) it will only help him in the future.

[mvd]

134. It seems forced. But I don't know what Owens did..

after the public apology. I lot of what turned me off was Rosenhaus's approach after Owens, but it's typical agent behavior.

Owens should at least have to serve his full 4-game suspension. After that, I would be open to assessing the situation.

[madrchsod]

133. wow this many threads over a nfl player

that thinks he`s so important that no one can live without him? i hear europe has america football or maybe the indoor here in the states..by by to you are just another asshole that soon will be forgotten