Any other Rape Victim's believe Jessica's STORY?

[corarose]

I am sick of the media talking about poor Jessica being raped. I don't believe it and why would they wait until the movie and book is about to come out to release this information.

Hearing the word RAPE rehashes old memories for me as well as other women and men.

I went through a rape by a man/so called friend that I had known for several years that was married with several kids. All I can remember about the rape was I was looking at the floor at my necklace that my Dad had given me for Christmas and it was laying on the floor broken.

I never told anyone not even my best friend about the rape. I kept it a secret and then one day I couldn't hold it in anymore because my Sister kept bragging about this man and I let it out.

I don't think that he would have taken me to the hospital after he raped me and I don't believe any rapists would do that either.

I am so sick of Jessica Lynch and her FAKE stories that the Bush Crime family made up.

[Cheswick2.0]

1. she never said she was raped

she said the hype surrounding her rescue was wrong. She is telling the truth.

[corarose]

4. What up with the Anal Rape?

What a load of BS?

[Cheswick2.0]

5. SHE NEVER SAID IT

she is not the one putting that story out. She says she doesn't remmember but the physical evidence seems to suggest that she was raped.

I have no idea if it is true or not and neither do you. Since when is it okay to accuse another woman of lying about rape when you really don't know the details?

[gardenista]

62. Amen.

Jessica Lynch does not deserve this. Being a victim of rape does not give anyone the right to accuse another woman or man of lying about rape.

[sujan]

65. iraqi doctors who operated on her suggested the otherwise

I believe them because I dont know.

[ant]

2. let's be fair

It is NOT "Jessica's" story. She doesn't remember what happened to her, and she has come out and criticized the manipulation of her story.

While I am skeptical about these rape charges, the simple fact is none of us, not even Jessica, unfortunately, will ever really know what happened to her, but let's not blame HER for any of this.

[THUNDER HANDS]

3. what if there was physical evidence?

She was sodomized, allegedly.

Wouldn't the only way to know that, if she remembers nothing, there to be physical evidence on her.

And since I'm almost sure that Jessica wasn't "fooling around" while over in Iraq, prior to her incident, at least not anally (that's just weird), they have to have some sort of evidence.

Obviously I, and nobody else here, has access to this evidence (should it actually exist), and thus can't say one way or the other whether she was raped.

To pass judgement, on something like a rape, or the accusation thereof, is not something one should come to before you see all there is available to see.

[corarose]

6. Why release the info now?

:kick:

[THUNDER HANDS]

11. um...because she has a book coming out

And maybe they (Army, govt. ect, in a brief moment of humanity) didn't want to go revealing to the world that she was raped before she had a chance to recover and come home and meet all her friends and family.

Would you want the world knowing you were raped before your parents or close friends could have a chance to hear it from you?

[Nailzberg]

20. To squash the Col. West story.

I haven't heard one word about Col. West toruring the Iraqi POW since this came out.

Because if our people are tortured, no one cares if we torture theirs.

And the story was just coming out, too. Gone now.

[corarose]

23. Your from Glenview?

I use to live in Glenview.

[Nailzberg]

25. Sure am. Four generations.

I was in the city a bit, but am trying debating moving to California, so when my lease came up, I moved back with my parents in Glenview. I'm actually gonna make the final decision next week. LA or Chicago.

[corarose]

28. I use to live across the street from the Train Station

Do you miss the base?

[Nailzberg]

29. Yeah, I don't like the Glen too much

Residents there call us "old glenview" like they're a different town or something.

It's like the star bellied sneeches over there.
So when people tell me they live in the Glen, I say "Oh, you mean the base."
Really pisses them off.

[corarose]

31. They were suppose to put a homeless shelter up as part of the deal

They have their own train stop which makes me laugh.

I guess they aren't good enough to come down to the other stop by Grandpa's.

Then again weren't they going to tear the post office and library down to make some more parking spaces.

My Mom was going to buy the Frozen Custard stand years ago and I wish she would have because I would have never lost my house.

[Nailzberg]

34. I'm sure the homeless shelter was lost from the plan,

The Glen is about as NIMBY as you can get.
I don't mind moving the post office, it was pretty small as it is. But there's a section of the library named for my grandmother, who donated her entire collection to them. So I'm pissed they want to make that train parking.

[corarose]

37. They shouldn't move the Library

That's nice that they named part of the Library after your Gran.

[Nailzberg]

45. It was pretty nice.

It was cool when I was a kid, they actually had a whole room just for her collection. Then it became a set of stacks in the reference room; they kept the books seperate and under lock and key.

If they move the library, they'll probably just tear out pages and wad up paper for packing material.

Sometimes I wish my parents would move, thier money could go further in other towns, but they'll never leave.
Personally, I just want to get in Jan Schakosky's district. I love Chicago, but I'd have steadier work if I go to LA.

[corarose]

89. Are they tearing OUR Library down in Glenview

I feel like it is a part of me also because I have gone there for 20 years since I was in School.

[Nailzberg]

90. Who knows? But they most probably will build a new one.

And I think they'll probably find another use for the building that is there.
The park ing is a nasty situtation, but it's location was perfect for kids. Easily accessable by bicycle no matter where you lived in town.
But this town doesn't think much. This is the town that installed 20,000 dollar phone booths at the time when cell-phones were popping up everywhere.

[corarose]

91. Do you mean the Imported British Phone Booths?

They also had to build a Train Station and the one that was there wasn't that bad.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

10. From what I've read, it's questionable as to whether

this evidence exists. The Iraqi MDs say there's no evidence of it, while the US MDs are saying it exists.

I think this woman is being victimized in the cruellest fashion. She was traumatized and does not remember what happened, which might lead her to accept any explanation of what happened. Maybe having a memory of something horrible is easier to deal with than having no memory at all.

[THUNDER HANDS]

13. well

I'm gonna believe the US in this instance and I don't normally do that sort of thing.

Especially this administration. Who would you anything to prop up the folks back home.

But what is admitting she was raped really do?

Does it pump us up to keep fighting on in Iraq?

Uh...no.

Does it make for a more heroic story?

Um...not really. Most war tales don't involve rape (at least not the one's used to the mass public).

So I don't think Bush and Co. have anything to gain by faking this.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

19. I think it could make people here hate Iraqis more

You can be sure we won't be hearing stories about Iraqi women being raped by US soldiers.

I don't trust either "official" viewpoint on this, and I only accept Jessica's memories as the valid truth. She's been up-front about what she remembers and what she doesn't remember. I respect her for speaking out against those who would fabricate her story; and my sincerest wish for her is that people just leave her alone.

[corarose]

22. I hope that the girl isn't suicidal

The Bush Crime Family has ruined her life except they did make her rich.

But, money can't buy you happiness and I am not so sure that she is happy and she is very young. If they fabricated her whole story which I think that 90% of it is fake then she has to live with knowing that people are dying in Iraq from a fabricated war.

What does that have to do with her? Probably nothing but I am sure somewhere along the line that she would feel a bit guilty knowing that if they lied about her then they must be lying about the WMD.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

32. Yup...PLUS

Whether she was raped or not; she'll be remembered more for that story than for anything else. I can't imagine my personal horror exposed for public scrutiny on such a grand scale. It'd be even worse if it wasn't true.

[corarose]

35. Is she 18 years old?

:kick:

[GoddessOfGuinness]

39. I thought she was twenty-something

But I don't recall her age exactly.

[ant]

27. oldest trick in the racist book

http://www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/jhamlin/3925/blacks.html

The idea of the white woman raped by "the other" is a powerful part of racism. In this case, I think it reaffirms the brutality of the regime, offering yet another sound bite for the "we were right to go in there" argument. It doesn't matter that it's subtle. In fact, it's probably much more damaging because it is so subtle.

That being said, on the one hand I do find it hard to believe this sort of "medical evidence" could be faked or just made up. At the same time, given how much of her story has been manipulated in the past I just can't help but be skeptical.

[corarose]

30. The Doctor can be bought off

Some Doctors will do anything for a price.

[ant]

36. very true...

...except there's rarely just ONE doctor taking care of a patient. My own experience in hospitals is that nurses do most of the work. Everything gets written down, double checked by others, etc. Maybe it's different in military hospitals, I don't know.

The post below on the physical evidence is interesting, too.

Again, I don't think we'll ever really know what happened, but let's not blame Jessica or turn on her. She doesn't remember what happened, and she has so far been fairly outspoken and honest. I think she deserves a lot of credit for that.

[Tinoire]

61. Bingo

Because we must HATE, HATE, HATE!

Is it any wonder they picked a poor genteel blonde blue-eyed girl in the fresh flower of her youth? A picture of American purity to make all the gentlemen so enraged at what those barbarians did to her?

Poor Jessica but poor stupid, racist America- so in denial over racism that the Confederate Flag still flies high and tall on state grounds as some twist and spin and resort to pathetic intellectual gymnastics to justify the unjustifiable.


Flashback to the 80's... Who shot JR...

[corarose]

66. Shoshanna was shot but poor Jessica was raped

Yeah right!

[gardenista]

75. Somebody's self-hatred is showing.

n/t

[Tinoire]

76. Where's the self-hatred there?

I am totally missing your reasoning... I know I'm tired but...

[corarose]

77. I missing his reasoning also

I don't get it because I don't hate myself.

[gardenista]

81. First, I'm a she. Second, I apologize.

I am very tired, and very frustrated that this thread has become a place to blame a victim of BFEE manipulation for being who she is. A soldier who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and survived.

I think that is is grossly unfair what you are doing. It makes me really sad, and really angry. It is so sad to see another victim of rape making these accusations. For the last time, because I see that I've started to get mean, and I am not a mean person, Jessica Lynch did not tell a story about being raped. I wish you would learn about what her story really is.

She says she can't remember being raped. It is the BFEE that is promoting the rape story to hide the fact that she is exposing their bullshit hype. It just makes me so sad that there are some otherwise kind people on these boards trashing this girl for trying to get her side of things out in the open.

I am tired, and I think I should stop posting before I say something else that I'll regret. I pray that some day you'll be able to show her some compassion. I'll try to do the same to you. For now, starts with saying again that I'm sorry to hear about what happened to you, and I hope you find peace.

[politicat]

24. GRAPHIC MEDICAL DISCUSSION: Medical Evidence of anal penetration is

difficult at best to prove.

This came up in the McMartin Preschool case (which you may or may not remember but it was a huge, nasty issue of false memories and ambiguous medical evidence) and the Countrywalk Daycare case (same problems as the McMartin.).

I had to learn about this in grad school.... but there's a good layman's discussion at www.religioustolerance.org that's pretty neutral. Search on "anal winking".

Unless Ms. Lynch required surgery to correct tearing to the sphincter or other gross damage, proving that someone has been anally penetrated more than 24 hours later is nearly impossible. Since we don't have the medical evidence and we don't have her records, we do not know if she required this surgery. (THAT she'd remember, even if the initial injury trauma was enough to give her temporary amnesia.)

[corarose]

33. Do you remember about a whole town going to jail

Something about the adults were falsely accused of molesting kids. Later on the Adults were released from prison because the ideas were planted in the kids minds by some over aggressive sick cops.

[THUNDER HANDS]

38. that was a South Park episode

:D

[corarose]

40. It happened South Park was making fun of what happened

It was probably before your time.

[THUNDER HANDS]

42. when did this happen

the 80's?

[corarose]

44. I believe it was the early 80's and it was out East somewhere

They had the story either on Dateline or 20/20.

[JailBush]

50. Wenatchee Witch-Hunt

I think you're referring to the "Wenatchee Witch-Hunt," in the corporate state of Washington. A mentally unstable police detective seized on a child's stories of abuse, blowing them out of proportion as he began arresting people. Most of the victims were poor, minorities and/or mentally retarded. Pastor Roby Roberson knew something was fishy and came to their rescue - he and his wife wound up in jail, and their daughter was taken away. Many children were farmed out, some to abusive foster homes, at least one to the sick detective who was behind it all.

This makes a good story because two of Washington's most powerful Republicans - Dale Foreman and Clyde Ballard - live in Wenatchee, yet never lifted a finger to help. In fact, I believe one of them is Pastor Roberson's neighbor.

However, no Democrats helped the victims, either. Pastor Roberson told me they appealed in vain to Janet Reno. (I understand Reno was involved in some sort of child abuse case back East and more or less sided with the bad guys. Also, I met a teacher here in Seattle who claims Reno really reamed him.) He said they're going to try John Ashcroft. Yeah, right - we know how far that will get.

But if the Wenatchee Witch-Hunt could occur under Clinton, just imagine the child abuse scandals that may be yet to erupt under Bush. Hell, public education is one big Wenatchee Witch-Hunt.

[corarose]

55. Thanks

That's what I was referring to.

[Maple]

7. So did she

write the book, authorize the book, get paid for the book?

What's the story on a book coming out, and her denying it?

[corarose]

9. She received a large check for the book and movie

I don't want to be crass but could she have possibly had sex prior to being injured?

[Cheswick2.0]

12. why are you attacking this girl?

She probably was raped. What does that have to do with anything else? She is going to be on with Diane Sawyer, watch it and see what she says. From what I hear she is going to tell the truth about the hype surrounding her rescue.

[corarose]

15. I wish that they could run the Lie Detector test on the screen

Like they did for President Clinton.

I would like to see it ran during the whole interview and for that matter every time anyone from the Bush Crime family speaks.

[THUNDER HANDS]

16. you know what's really sad

That the Bush administration lies so much you have to seriously question whether they would fake a rape to hype a war?

[corarose]

26. I am not attacking her I am asking questions

My family is from WV and my Dad keeps talking about the poor girl that was raped. I am getting so sick of hearing about poor Jessica.

[NickB79]

68. "She probably was raped"

Why is it more likely she was raped than not? Considering the evidence presented by the Iraqi doctors that treated her, that they found no evidence of rape, why should we believe people who weren't even there for the few days after she was captured who are now making these allegations?

[THUNDER HANDS]

14. anal sex?

Who has casual anal sex while on a mission in a foreign country?

[Exultant Democracy]

17. plenty of people

you can start at Alexander the Great and work your way down from there. From everything I know and have heard there is something about war that really makes you want to f*ck as much as you can.

[corarose]

18. I have no Idea I have never had anal sex

I wouldn't know how long it takes or any of the procedures.

I am sure that some of the men and women are having sex to take their minds off of what is going on around them.

[Boom_cha]

21. Uhmm...

someone with anal proclivities?

[gardenista]

FALSE. She was NOT involved in the Movie.

You are misinformed.

[Don_G]

60. The Book Was Written

By a reporter who was fired from The New York Times who fabricated the stories the paper printed. She did sign a contract, but probably had no control of the writer the publisher assigned to write the story.

[corarose]

69. Did the writer get a job with Faux News after being fired?

I bet if he/she applied at Faux they would hire that person immediately because he has everything that Faux is looking for.

[sleipnir]

8. Well...

I'll start off by saying, I don't believe what the gov tells me, but I'm not sure that we're getting all the facts. There has been no evidence suggesting that the rapist is the same person who trasported her to the hospital. I strongly think they're two dif people.

I seriously doubt that a med examiner would outright lie, it would mean the end of their career if discovered, I believe she could have been "raped" (it's war, bad things happen on both sides) and unconcious.

I don't discount the rape, it seems to be authenticated by mutliple medical sources, but who knows for sure.

I really feel sorry for Lynch, she's just realized that she became a pawn in a deadly game of spin, and I think she feels very guilty. She's just another pawn in Bush's war on America and I wish this whole war had never happened.

[BringEmOn]

41. Kobe Bryant's legal team

released a statement earlier today. Kobe denies raping Jessica and claims that sex with Pvt. Lynch was consensual.

[corarose]

43. Do you mean Kobe didn't do it?

:kick:

[BringEmOn]

51. Kobe denies

O.J. is out looking for the real rapists and Newt Gingrich, Bob Livingston, and Joe Scarborough have resigned to spend more time with their families.

[BringEmOn]

56. Arnold says

it's old news.

[LastKnight]

46. the timing of the release of this information is suspicious to me

hmm...

lets see we got a tv movie airing in a few days, the book coming out a few days after that...

so far its all for cash, defenatley not good behivor, but theres been worse...

side effects:

deamonizes iraqis and categorizes them as a whole, probably to a majority of the US, and who knows internationally.

the bush admin now has a nice little trooper mascot to use in a campaign advertisement along with a bunch of 'cute quotes' from a young soldier, (shes 19 i think?)

i am in no way blaming her for anything, infact i applaud her for coming forward and critisizing the sensationalisim of the rescue.

but come on... would you really want what could be your hardest time of your life turned into a movie? that and have doctors from the most powerful government in the world say you were soddomized on top of it, and to have the whole world know? somethin just doesnt seem right

-LK

[corarose]

47. Wasn't her nose broken? I can believe that bit

The Bush Crime family should have to pay for that. I heard that her nose was broken and I think that Jr should give her a free nose job.

[corarose]

52. I don't want to sound rude but

Doesn't she get a medal for being wounded in that area? I know there is one.

[LastKnight]

53. yea thiers a wounded in combat medal...

name escapes me at the moment, as it is very late and i am tired...

but yea im sure she will be getting one if she already hasnt, and with it probably presented by bush, and a nice photo op for him, too.

-LK

[gardenista]

59. Um, it's called a Purple Heart.

When she received it she thanked her Democratic Congressman. She has not uttered the name of George Bush, and I seriously doubt that she would EVER agree to be photographed with him.

[NickB79]

67. Hell, we should all get medals then

Since we've all been taking it in the ass from Bush and friends for the past 3 yrs.

[corarose]

71. LOL

:kick:

[gardenista]

58. CHRIST! SHE IS NOT GETTING A RED CENT FROM THAT MOVIE!

She has disavowed that movie. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and YES, you ARE blaming her for MANY things that were totally beyond her control.

Yeah, if something doesn't seem right, it just might bear looking into. You might learn a few facts about the situation. But then, that would make your broad-brushed smear a little harder to pull off.

[LastKnight]

63. book and movie coming out in few days timespan?

you cant tell me one doesnt promote the other. and SOMEONE would have had to sell the rights to use her name. just chill a bit, chill the caps, chill the freakin out... im not smearin anyone

and if i was blaming her for anything i woulda came out and said it... i dont skirt issues like that. if im gonna make an accusation im gonna go right out and do it.

-LK

[gardenista]

64. Um, yeah, I can tell you exactly that.

The film is based on the rights sold by the so called Iraqi rescuer, NOT Lynch. Lynch denounces the film. She contradicts the Iraqi guy, who says he saw her tortured, and she refused to see him when he came to her town sniffing for a photo op.

The caps, which, before I saw this thread, I have never used in the many months of posting here, are due to my extreme frustration with the incredible tendency in this thread to just make up shit. It is unbelievable.

No, you're not accusing, you're attacking, undermining, creating doubt, and misinforming. You have no basis for your claims. I don't think you're doing it to be mean, just because you haven't taken the time to figure out that Lynch was used as a pawn against her will, and now that she is finally speaking out, she is not playing ball with Roveco, and she is probably making Bush shit in his pants.

[corarose]

72. Isn't it odd how he is allowed in this country & other Iraqis are banned

Right now.

[gardenista]

74. Yeah. It is. I'm sure Jessica arranged it all.

Actually, I'm sure he and Chalabi get flown around on the same private jet.

He and the BFEE are the perpetrators of this fable. Not Jessica Lynch.

[corarose]

70. It's better fiction then a Stephen King movie

She should be getting a million or two for that kind of Fiction. How much is King paid for a movie? Hmmmmm!!!! It rates right up there with a Stephan King movie.

[gardenista]

73. Ok, I can see now you're all smear and no facts.

You have no real interest in the truth, do you? Just spew your accusations and smear away. Actually, this is a lot like a Stephen King movie. The Stand.

[gardenista]

48. I am sorry about what happened to you

but it does not give you the right to judge Jessica Lynch.

Judge the BFEE, but if you do a little research, you will find that Jessica Lynch is bravely telling the truth. SHE does not claim that she was raped. SHE claims that she doesn't remember what happened between the initial attack on her convoy and the time she woke up in the hospital.

And it certainly doesn't give you the right to blame Lynch for the fact that while she was unconscious, the BFEE began telling lies about her. They're still at it. It is up to reasonable people to sort out the difference, whatever their personal experience with rape.

[corarose]

49. She has been brainwashed and I don't believe her fake STORY!

I don't believe her and that my opinion.

[Cheswick2.0]

54. you know Corarose, sometimes I find it hard to beleive you

but I give you the benefit of the doubt. I think you are very confused on this issue and I find it offensive for you to attack this girl when you have no idea what the facts are. The rape story is not her story. She did not say she was raped. She says she doesn't remember that time.

[gardenista]

57. Well, an informed opinion would be more worthy of respect

than the one you're expressing right now. But you're correct in that you have the right to express an opinion despite the fact that you are grossly misinformed.

Let me spell this out for you:

SHE DOES NOT CLAIM THAT SHE WAS RAPED!!!!!

You say you don't believe her. What is it you don't believe? That she is publicly criticizing the very BUSHCO hype that you decry? If you don't believe that, then I suggest you do a little research. Start with the New York Times.

Or maybe you don't believe that she is a hero. Well, the two of you seem to be in agreement. (I, however, happen to think that she is a brave young woman to stand up to the BFEE and refuse to be their pawn.)

So, if you want to keep up with the attacks, you have the right. But don't expect people who have taken the time to learn a few facts to let it go without remark.

Edit: spelling

[corarose]

78. It's hard for a woman to talk about rape so why

Would she be able to talk about so soon and especially right before the book and movie of the week comes out.

Why isn't she talking about the broken nose now that's believable.

[Maddy McCall]

80. Cora, have you read anything else on this thread?

Any of the links to other articles?

Why the beligerance on this topic? The story is part fabrication, part manipulation? Why are you so HOSTILE toward Lynch?

[corarose]

82. I am not hostile toward Lynch

Hell she is from my Dad's neck of the woods in WV.

I am mad as hell about the fact that she can stand there and look at people and tell them lies.

[Maddy McCall]

83. What lies?

[Maddy McCall]

79. As a domestic violence survivor I have empathy for others going

through it.

If one has survived a violent crime and one believes (even after repeated arguments otherwise) that another has, too, wouldn't one be more empathetic toward another victim?


Disclaimer: I understand Lynch's disavowal; I don't understand the rest of this thread, though.

[corarose]

84. How would it look if it comes out that she is a Liar

When a woman tells people that she has been raped and then they remember the Jessica Lynch story and how the rape was fabricated.

How would that help our side (rape victims) if she lies and all women are looked at like they are liars because of a made up story.

[Maddy McCall]

85. Read post 81

I completely concur with that poster's feelings.

Cora, you are not exercising good judgement tonight. I am taken aback that a rape victim would exploit another person in such a way.

Again, read post 81 again, because I could not have expressed how I feel about all of this any better than that person.

Whatever is causing your anger, I hope you can find solace.

[gardenista]

86. I guess it would look exactly the way you're portraying it right now.

Since you're calling her a liar.

I give up. There is nothing more to say.

[corarose]

88. How would it look if it turned that she was a Liar?

It would look bad on other women that have been raped.

[corarose]

87. How many of Jessica's unit have died mysteriously?

I believe two and even one is too many. Something is not kosher about this story.