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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:10 AM
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Am I missing Thumbthing?
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 10:34 AM by WeRQ4U
I hate GW just as much as the next dude, but that video of him supposedly flipping off the press, looks oddly like a "thumbs up" instead.

Why do we let ourselves get so caught up in bias that we manufacture garbage like this? We also complain about how the news media reports garbage all the time, and we clamor for this crap? WTF is going on here?
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:11 AM
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1. All respect, but I think you're wrong.
It very clearly looks like an extended middle finger to me.
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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:14 AM
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2. No it doesn't.
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 10:16 AM by WeRQ4U
I've looked at that picture about a thousand times now. It's not his middle finger. It's his thumb.

First, you can see where his wrist runs up to his tip of his thumb.

Second, he would have a freakishly short middle finger. That is normally the longest finger on your hand.

Third, try doing it. Your hand and arm have to be bent at a much more severe angle. WHen you twist your wrist to make each respective gesture, you can tell that the position of his arm and wrist in this photo are of his thumb.

Fourth, he would also have one of the narrowest palms in the world. Make a thumbs up. See how narrow your palm looks. Now turn it out and make the other gesture. Your palm widens as you turn your hand.

Here's the picture again. It's his fricken thumb. If I'm a DINO for thinking that than so be it.

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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:15 AM
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3. Where is a photo or link?
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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:17 AM
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5. I edited the post Shell. I put it on there.
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:18 AM
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8. Thanks!
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:17 AM
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7. Here you go. pic and vid
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:18 AM
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Thanks!
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:17 AM
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6. Well, I'm not analyzing it like the Zapruder Film, but...
...but I love that is out there. Start questioning his moral fiber. It's about time the media starts doing that. Thumb or middle finger, it makes no difference. Figuratively, he's been giving us the finger for over 4 years and it's about time he gets called on it.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:18 AM
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10. If you think that's a thumb, you need to take an anatomy class...
eot
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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:21 AM
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12. Ok..........
I have but....... :eyes:
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:30 AM
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16. Then you would realize his thumb would be MEDIAL to his carpals...
Not squarely in the middle.
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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:32 AM
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29. If you can make an anatomical diagnosis from this pixelated garbage....
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 11:49 AM by WeRQ4U
Then more power to you. You can't tell WHERE his thumb is in reference to his carpals. Nice posturing though doc.

Here's my diagnosis: Open up your right palm down with all your fingers together pointing out and your thumb pointing to your left. Rotate your hand so that your thumb is pointing straight up in the air. NOw clench your fist, thumb still sticking in the air. See how your fingers curl under and into your palm. THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE. The thumb is sticking up, just like it normally does. It's not MEDIAL to anything. It's just the way the camera is looking at it. If you still don't think so.........squint your eyes. Voila.

Now, doctor, try to make the same gesture with your middle finger. Notice how you have to point your elbow OUT in order to get the correct angle? He's not doing that. Notice how much bigger the width of the top of your hand it when it's facing you? His is not. NOtice how you SEE your thumb on the left side even though your middle finger is the one extended? His is not. Notice how long your middle finger is? His is not.

You have your diagnosis. I have mine. With a pixelated image like this anatomy means about as much as magic. Or did you help Frist diagnose Schiavo from his video too?
:o
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PunkPop Donating Member (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:31 AM
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17. I believe that's a post you're going to want to take back
It's easy to see it's his thumb if you watch the video. No anatomy class needed.
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:18 AM
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9. Only in the still shot does it look like that.
If you look at the video, it really doesn't look like his middle finger.

http://homepage.mac.com/onegoodmove/movies/bushflips.mo...

View it frame by frame at the critical point - looks like thumb or pointer finger to me.

The still shot definitely looks like the middle, but now that I see the whole thing - I don't agree.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:16 AM
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4. I'm with you. It's a thumb. And even if it were a finger, it would be
nothing new for him. Remember, "There's Adam Clymer, major league asshole for the New York Times?"

I'm glad the "finger" hasn't made the home page.

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Lavender Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:18 AM
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11. I thought he was just pointing, not that I would put it past him
to give the press the finger while cameras were rolling.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:22 AM
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13. Oh, goodie. Somebody wants the thumb on the home page.
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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:25 AM
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14. Opps.
I already responded to this guy and linked this thread. Oh well. lol
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:29 AM
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15. Yeah, I'm in her thread too.
Thanks for pointing out the obvious thumb. People who think it's the bird must not see flipped birds very often. Nice for them, I suppose.
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:32 AM
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18. You are also under suspicion!!
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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:34 AM
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19. I just changed the title of this thread. I just had to. LOL
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:35 AM
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21. I noticed! LOL
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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:34 AM
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20. oops.
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 10:35 AM by WeRQ4U
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:35 AM
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22. If it's not his finger...
then georgie has a deformed hand that we don't know about. Considering they ran this on Leno and basically said it was georgie flipping off someone, I would go with the people at NBC that let it run without worrying about the consequences. Although I respect your opinion, I am going to say it isn't a thumb.
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:37 AM
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23. Skinner says it is a pen! He's looking at it frame by frame.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:41 AM
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27. I saw that
I can accept that more that "it's his thumb". :eyes:
A pen where his middle finger is seems more probable than any other explanation. I went with what the Leno program said, but I know that is no thumb.
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:39 AM
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24. Just changed my mind
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 10:44 AM by Dora
Dammit! And I wanted it to be the finger too!

It's the thumb. The momentum of his arm, the graceful turn of his monkey wrist...
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:40 AM
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25. Agreed, it's a thumb. His hand would be freakishly skinny
if that was his middle finger. On the flipside, he'd have a fantastic career in fisting videos.
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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:41 AM
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26. I just spit out my coffee
Thanks for that.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:55 AM
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28. Another vote for thumb (or maybe pen, like Skinner has said) here
I went through frame by frame (I can even upload the sequence of pics if anyone would like) and only in one frame (the one that's been posted) does it look like a middle finger.
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