I need to vent.

[Bouncy Ball]

Bible verses, religion wars, are you offended by me, am I offended by you threads, AHHHH!!! FUGGELDEY people, I LIVE IN DALLAS! I can walk outside and be assaulted by religion!

There's a flyer on the telephone pole at the end of the block that says "KIDS! COME PARTY WITH JESUS!" and it's got some real scary clip art Jesus holding balloons. The whole thing is translated into Spanish, too.

There are seventeen freaking churches on every street corner. And just wait until Vacation Bible School season, we'll be getting twelve flyers a DAY in the mail from every different church in a five-city area. There'll be huge banners draped up everywhere about how THIS Vacation Bible School is the BEST ONE to send your kid to!!!

Coworkers always trying to sell their church to me, oh we have this fantastic workshop on how to submit better to your husband! Oh we have this great Bible study we just started about how to discipline your kids in a GODLY way. :scared: (Why does that make me envision human sacrifice?)

Last night at Subway, my daughter and I sat down at a table and there were Bible tracts lying there cleverly disguised as five dollar bills. Oh ho ho ho, the ingenious Christian proselytizer almost GOT me in my greed for the bling bling, didn't they? Ho ho, very funny!

There are not one, not two, not three, but NINE different all-religion, all the time channels on my TV lineup. The Mormon one is the newest one.

Then you've got the regular mainstream media who show religious programming all the time, you've got the History Channel that does Jesus shows about every other day.

Silver fish and "JESUS IS COMING!" bumper stickers on every other car. Christian rock concerts. Christian t-shirts with half-pithy slogans about nails and blood. WWJD bracelets, earrings, belts, shirts, folders, spirals, binders, shoelaces, necklaces, pins, buttons, stickers, greetings cards. The other day I was shopping and saw CHRISTIAN SOAP in the shape of a fish (does it get you cleaner, I wondered?).

You can forget about going east or west on two particular interstate highways near me on Sundays, because the traffic is so bad (megachurches), they have police officers out directing it. Services at 8 am, 9 am, 10 am, 11 am and noon! Shuttle buses available! Youth RALLY Sunday nights!!!

I GET IT! I REALLY, REALLY DO! Religion good, not religion BAD. Must show off religious status at every available opportunity. Must push religion on everyone I can. Must stock up on ammo and guns. MUST BE AFRAID!!!!!!!!

OVERLOAD. I'm overloaded. Full up. Had my fill of religion enough to last me the rest of my life.

I just want a nice quiet island somewhere. And the only fish I want to see are the ones I catch and cook.

(And I'm Christian. I can only imagine how people who AREN'T must feel living here. They must have some way of blocking it out. Does anyone sell a Religo-Filter? I'd pay $500.)

[sniffa]

1. your from daLLas?

[Bouncy Ball]

5. LOL, yes.

[sniffa]

11. too far away to worship

you tease

[crispini]

34. No, no, Bouncy, you DON'T live in Dallas.

You live in the burbs. THAT is why you have this problem. All of us sinners and heathens live south of Northwest highway. ;)

[Bouncy Ball]

36. Yeah, I live in suburban Dallas.

YOUR part of Dallas wouldn't be nearly as bad, but you're still surrounded by it.

[crispini]

44. But I'm really good at this:

There *are* about four biggish churches within a few miles of my house, but one's Catholic and another is a gay church. :) And by biggish, I mean, NOT the size of the baptidome. I swear, they are crazy up there in the 'burbs. I'd never live anywhere but the city.

[mhr]

49. This Is Baptidome - Tyler Texas - 100 Miles East Of Dallas

Green Acres Baptist

[beam me up scottie]

78. That scares the hell out of me.

Is it really called "Baptidome" or are you being a smart-ass like me?
Seriously, that is like the Branch-davidian complex for rich people.

[mhr]

81. "Baptidome" Is Crispini's Label For Excessively Large Fundie Churches

eom

[beam me up scottie]

87. Thanks.

I'm dumb about churches, but then again, I have no idea where these people would draw the line.
I can almost hear the "SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY" announcer dude advertising it on the radio.

[barb162]

93. I think there is one like that around me. I have no idea what

protestant religion it is. I know it's not Catholic. It is sort of like a generic church or something and has thousands of parishioners I guess. My girlfriend dragged me there for this Christmas or Easter pageant or play; she told me I HAD to go. Okay, I went and it was a cast of thousands with donkeys, cows, sheep, etc. A real production, probably like the Oberammergau production. I think this church had to move 3 times in ten years as it grew so fast.

[Blue_In_AK]

84. The front of that looks astoundingly like

the Anchorage Baptist Temple, our fundie haven, whose flock is led by Pastor Jerry Prevo, a slimmed down but just as oil Jerry Falwell. He owns a school, a TV station, two radio stations, multiple tax-free properties around the city ... Grr.

[Wapsie B]

88. Oh I'd just love to tax the living hell outa this one.

[Telly Savalas]

94. All your church belong to me

[AngryAmish]

46. Why did I think you lived in Wisconsin?

[Bouncy Ball]

48. I like cheese?

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

91. That's a relief- I'm a mile north of it.

I feel ever so much better about myself. :bounce:

[Cannikin]

2. AMEN!

[Bouncy Ball]

4. AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOMEN'S PRAYERS FOR BEING A MORE GODLY WIFE!!! WOMEN, SUBMIT TO YOUR HUSBANDS!!! MEN, BE THE SPIRITUAL HEAD OF YOUR FAMILY!!!!

[beam me up scottie]

79. You have to drink the kool-aid first.

(it doesn't hurt as much that way.):banghead:

[StopTheMorans]

3. oh, i thought you wanted a starbucks coffee

:silly:

[demnan]

6. Here-here!

Well said! :applause:

I just don't participate in all the religious argument. I joined this forum to argue about politics, not religion.

[Bouncy Ball]

16. Me, too!!!

I guess that was my point. I get enough of this in real life. The Schiavo-fest was bad enough, but understandable. It's timely, going on right now. But just as it's dying down, a religious fest breaks out.

I'm gonna have to take a DU break, I can feel it.

[kedrys]

7. In Houston, they're busy converting the Summit

(former basketball arena) into one of those megachurches. Which means I'll have to bring a barf bag every time I drive on 59.

Ick.

I'm going to go shower in bleach now. I suggest you do the same.

[Bouncy Ball]

10. ...

:cry:

A new ginormo megachurch is being constructed JUST DOWN THE HIGHWAY from another one.

This one will seat 20,000 at once. TWENTY THOUSAND PEOPLE.

Fucking a. Just fucking a.

[kedrys]

15. Just trucking in the koolaid is gonna screw up traffic for MILES

:grr:

[Bouncy Ball]

19. LOL

LMAO, ok that was good.

[redqueen]

37. The one on Central? In N. Dallas?

I had the same thought driving by that site this weekend.

:grr:

I started ranting to my family about what Jesus said... did he say build lots of buildings? I DON'T $#&*@($& THINK SO!

:cry:

[mhr]

97. Now, Now They All Need To Hang Out Singing Hymns While They

Wait for the rapture.

Kind of thoughtful don't you think.

We would not want them crashing all those cars and such.

It would just leave more of a mess for the rest of us.

[mhr]

95. The Summit - A Mega Mall Of Religiosity - Why That's SacreSportIgous

;-)

[peekaloo]

8. .

[Bouncy Ball]

13. LOL

Now get that thing away from me.

(Although it is pretty funny.)

[terrya]

9. Freedom OF religion should also mean freedom FROM religion.

This country is turning into a theocracy. And frankly, someone had better start sounding the alarm bells about it. These are dangerous times we're living in.

[Bouncy Ball]

12. Some days

I want to throw myself on my bed and have a good loud sobby wailing cry. I just get so tired of being fucking bombarded with it at every fucking TURN. I'M not even who they're targeting.

The only good side is, they turn off a lot of people with all this in your faceness. If I had a buck for everyone who's told me they'd never step foot in one of those megachurches and who is totally turned off by religion because of all the marketing and pushing of it so hard.

Did you know bush's administration gave $3 BILLION to fundie churches in the year 2003? TAXPAYER MONEY.

Now I want to know what was done with that money. Nevermind, I already do. Billboards, TV shows, megachurches, mass mailings.

[SammyWinstonJack]

51. You're sick of it? Just imagine how non believers feel?

:crazy: Bush** gave $3 Billion taxpayers' dollars to fundie churches who enjoy tax exemptions? He should be impeached for that!

[sui generis]

24. well, we are sounding the alarm

the problem is "we're" the oppressors and the evil godless unpatriotic unamerican ones.

The only way for the danger to become imminent is for the pendulum to swing too far to the right. Sorry to say, Jeb didn't go for the bait with Schiavo -- because if he had done something extraordinary it would have had a major domino effect on the republican party.

It will still happen - somebody is going to get some major tenet of fundie practice into government in a way that discriminates against other christians, and then they'll tear themselves apart when they realize how vulnerable they've made themselves to each other's sects.

[sui generis]

14. right on sista!!!!!

living here in Dallas hell too, land of big houses, big egos, big trucks, and big hard-ass hair.

(did we meet at Fudge Stripe Cookays halloween partay? SO and I were wearing horns and tights - )

[Bouncy Ball]

21. That's you????

Hey, I started a thread in the lounge a while back looking for you guys! I couldn't remember your screen names and had such a good time talking to you and your SO. How are you guys doing?

(Geez, I was posting with you all along, LOL!)

[sui generis]

50. we're good - SO browses occasionally

but he's on a gig with lots of extra little financialista eyes looking over his shoulders all the time.

I just keep thirty windows open on each computer and post like a madman at the exact same time that I'm on the phone, writing financial analyses, doing research, lunching at desk, and popping around for sneakernet meetings and hallway ambushes of my coworkers to keep their prying eyes out of my cage.

So you see, some of my inarticulate posts are due to partial braincircuit meltdown, some just because I really am a little whacko or inadequately caffeinated!

:hi:

pm me - doesn't FSC work in mid cities? Maybe we can all do a happy hour or quick lunch one of these days.

[Bouncy Ball]

56. Okey dokey.

FSC always posts about get togethers in the Texas forum. I check that forum out from time to time to make sure I'm not missing anything.

:hi:

[bigwillq]

17. Shut up already!

You're making my ears bleed!:P

BRB, have to go pray!:P

[bigwillq]

18. dupe

Sorry.

[Solly Mack]

20. I grok

I grew up in Georgia...the belt buckle of the baptist' belt...oh, how I grok.

[SOteric]

22. Dudette, - maybe you need to consider not living in Dallas

There are a heckuva lotta places considerably less filled with pushy fundies.

I can go whole years without ever getting any religious flyers or seeing adverts for vacation bible school. My coworkers never talk about their church workshops. And I work at a Catholic school. :shrug:

[GOPisEvil]

29. I keep telling her to move here!

We have SOME of that stuff, including the large non-denominational McChurches, but it's FAR less than Dallas. A lot less proseletyzing, too. I guess the audience is not as receptive. Plus, I live here, which is the best selling point of all.

[Bouncy Ball]

31. I agree, that's a great selling point!

:D

[GOPisEvil]

33. There's a big UU church here, too.

I have friends that go. They've hosted Greg Palast and Andy Stephenson (as well as she who shall not be named). It's a good group, apparently.

[Bouncy Ball]

39. Oh yeah, I've checked it out.

Believe me, if jobs weren't a problem, we'd be there in a week. I probably have more friends in Austin than here. Someday, someday.

[GOPisEvil]

45. Jobs, schmobs.

You'd have no trouble getting a job here, of course, and Mr. Bouncy is a smart guy, he'd get something quick. Stop dreaming, and start acting, dammit! :spank:

[Bouncy Ball]

30. I just looked at your profile.

What heaven it must be to live there.

Actually, the husband and I made a decision NOT to leave Texas because this is OUR home and no one, not even fundies are pushing us out.

Instead, our goal is to move to Austin, a liberal city where we can be happier, but still be in Texas.

[redqueen]

38. But dallas went nearly 50% for Kerry...

we're soooooo close!

I know, though... I want to leave, too. :(

[gyopsy]

69. Yeah it's all about location

Not everywhere in the country is as bad as all that.

[stellanoir]

23. wow

having only driven through Texas and the South and having only thought it odd that there were so many "Jesus Saves" billboards, I never even considered the social implications you describe. That's really intense. I can't imagine such affronts and would want to rant as well.

I think faith is most sacred when it's intensely personal but certainly understand why people seek out communities. Are there any UU's down there or just mostly all fundies?

Maybe some Swedish Fish would make you feel better. Skinner is handing them out like candy over in ATA.

[Bouncy Ball]

28. LOL, I do go to a UU church

and it's like a little island of sane in an ocean of crazy. I love it, my family loves it. You can believe whatever you want, not believe, whatever. It's a nice community. Breath of fresh air.

[stellanoir]

41. LOL. . .that's pretty ironic

Though I haven't been to a UU church in eons, I had initially written a longer post on this thread, singing their praises in terms of open mindedness and tolerance. Then I deleted it because I realized it could be construed as precisely what you were ranting about if you were unfamiliar with them.

So I just sort of asked somewhat sheepishly if they were around there 'cause it would be the only antidote I could imagine for such rampant fundamentalism.

Glad you found them already.

[SOteric]

35. NOOOOOO!! Stay away from the Swedish Fish!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=2935761&mesg_id=2935761

[Lars39]

25. Thank you for that wonderful rant!

I live near Nashville, so I pretty much have the same scenario.
Those that don't live in this kind of atmosphere have no idea
of how bad it can get. I'm always amused and jealous when I read
that someone doesn't know any fundies. Seems like all I know are fundies.
:sigh:

[bertha katzenengel]

26. WILD APPLAUSE

:applause:

I wish I had time to post my reaction, BB. :applause: :applause: :applause:

[MuseRider]

27. If you find that island

could I come join you? :hide:

I was late for a meeting (on Sunday, I AM a heathen) and got stopped on one of our busiest streets by a policeman who blocked off the busy street for 5 entire minutes to let the church goers out of church. I was livid, not because I was late but because I and the rest of us waiting had to stop our lives so they could continue theirs like they had so much more right than the rest of us waiting impatiently for them to wave and drive their Jesus tagged autos to their next prayer session. Add to that the fact that along the street where we were stopped were 20 of the Phelps clan singing hymns so loud you had to turn up your radio.

Like you I live in a place where every corner has at least one church and at least one bank, they seem to go together and I live in the country (or it was until a year ago). In one half mile around my house I can stop at no less than 7 churches and probably 10 banks, I have not counted them yet.

I also am a christian, small c because I will not belong to a religious organization. I am sick to death of all of it.

Sorry I used your rant to vent my own. Whew, I wish it made me feel better.

[Bouncy Ball]

32. Yes, let's go look for that island.

Then when things get too crazy, we can just go there. I'm so sorry you have Phelps and Krazee Kompany there.

[MuseRider]

55. It is OK

I ignore the Phelps clan with the rest of the sane people here. I am sorry I vented on your rant. I really wish I had said nothing at all because it was just a rant of my own and I usually try to keep that stuff tucked away because I seriously do not want to hurt others feelings but sometimes I lose that honed self control. :shrug: Sometimes I just feel like the enemy and that is really what pisses me off.

[redqueen]

42. Sorry to butt in here with an offtopic question, but...

what does that trumpet say?

[MuseRider]

54. Hey redqueen!

It is a clarinet, I am a clarinetist. :hi:

[SarahB]

40. Religion often seems to be about conformity.

Currently, the political powers to be need conformity to keep up their current agenda. It's all an interwoven web that most people are too blind to see. I'm not saying everyone who practices their religion of choice is like this, but there's enough who are that it kind of saddens me. It's just seems easier for so many people to do as their told by some institution than to actually think for themselves. Sigh....

[gyopsy]

70. Scary huh?

I think there are many positives about religion. But it's true that there is something very fishy about all of this. Conformity at this large a scale is never a good thing.

[Wapsie B]

89. It's comforting for some to listen to leaders

so sure of themselves, so absolute in their teachings. Heck conformity is rewarded in many aspects of life, work included. You don't want to be asking why too many times. Why is the most dangerous word in the world to a person or culture that needs blind loyalty to exist.

[Jessica]

43. I thoroughly enjoyed that ... Thank you.

I agree completely ... and I'm Christian, too. The commercialized bullshit makes me wanna :puke:. What would Jesus do??? He wouldn't wear a stupid bracelet!!! My church takes our youth group to some of those Christian music festivals - and I swear to you, the last time they went, they saw a group of kids stealing those bracelets. WTF.

[LynzM]

47. Just wanted to send you

A hug! :hug:

Personally, I just don't read any of those threads, really. I know not everyone can walk away like that, but it definitely helps me to enjoy DU more if I stay away from those controversies.

[Guy Fawkes]

52. Your religious channels are different?

We have 9 that are ALL christian! Oh, and then the community access channels all play religious stuff, too. Hell, just the other day I caught a bit of "the evil of the Jews" or something like that on...

[gyopsy]

72. We only have 5 or so

down in Orlando, where I'm from. Still, I compare that to about ten years ago and I realize the number has doubled.

Wonder what kind of ratings these stations are pulling in? They must be doing VERY good business for there to be so many of them. I never watch them and I don't know of any people that do. They must have a large market though.

[MissB]

53. Oregon is the most unchurched state

I think.

Just in case you were looking for that island.

I've never found a flyer for a church (service, special occaison, summer camp, etc) in my mailbox. We're not all godless heathens, though. We do actually have churches here.

Oregon is a nice place to take a vacation.

[Bouncy Ball]

57. ...

:cry:

We looked into moving to Portland, but dream on.....real estate is SO much more expensive compared to here, and your unemployment rate is pretty dang high. That and people in my profession get paid about the same as here, which means I'd be lower (when you figure in real estate prices).

I do want to visit Oregon pretty badly, though.

[MissB]

59. um, yeah.

I still laugh over what I paid for my high-priced hovel (when I'm not crying over how much work still needs to be done on it). I'm glad I'm staying out of the work force at this point- it would suck to try to find a job in my particular engineering field right now.

:hi: Come and visit. It is a beautiful place. Pretty progressive too. I noticed that our Mayor just snubbed the Mrs. Oregon pageant this week, because it excludes same-sex couples.

[Misunderestimator]

58. Thank you! What a glorious vent!

[Misunderestimator]

60. Oh, and by the by.... I've paid far more dearly than $500 would have been.

:yourock:

[Bouncy Ball]

62. And you know what REALLY galls me???

What REALLY fucks me sideways?

THEY CLAIM TO BE OPPRESSED VICTIMS WHO CAN'T EXPRESS THEMSELVES.

Yeah. YEAH. Well FUCK ME. They express themselves like a two year old with diarrhea ALL over the damn place. In my face every waking moment of my life.

But the poor poor babies can't express themselves. The poor poor babies are SO damn oppressed they've got to SCREAM out their personal, private beliefs from every frigging billboard and street corner, bookstore and TV channel.

Then they have the giant hairy balls to accuse GAYS of FLAUNTING their lifestyle, when ha! funny! every gay person I know JUST WANTS TO BE LEFT THE FUCK ALONE.

Sorry, hell, I started ranting again.

[Misunderestimator]

63. You go right ahead and keep ranting...

:toast: :loveya:

[BigMcLargehuge]

61. not much different here in New Hampshire

though it's less in-your-face, but we have 14 religion channels that CAN'T be un-ordered as they are part of the most basic CATV package.

What gets me is that here at DU, where ostensibly we are to discuss democratic politics/foreign policy/etc... we get locked into the death spirals of idiocy of feigned outrage, then repeated attempts to fall all over ourselves to appear non-antagonistic to religion... The latest bullshit with Falwell and ten GD threads chastising those of us who wish he'd get better only so that he could get terminal cancer and flesh eating bacterial infections so we don't appear "fringy" to RW sites, talk hosts, etc...

Well fuck them. All of them. And the posters here who, in a pathetic attempt to elevate themselves above the general rabble, wring their hands over the rest of us not sharing their compassion for a man as evil and destructive as Falwell.

Here's a newsflash, I don't fucking care.

I've never maintained that I am any better than anyone else, Freeper or otherwise, so I embrace my shadenfreude the same way I will when Pat Robertson, Condoleeza Rice, Rumsfeld, Ashkroft, Bush (all of them), or the sum total of posters at Free Republic cacks off. And when they do, I hope it's SLOW, extremely painful, and finacially ruinous.

We've consistently lost ground playing by gentleman's rules with regard to politics and religion because THE OTHER TEAM DOESN'T play by these same rules. And reading what we say here on an Internet message board doesn't make a goddamn iota of difference.

[Bouncy Ball]

64. STANDING OVATION FOR BIG MCLARGEHUGE.

Standing fucking ovation. Excuse my language.

Falwell is a vile, evil little cretin who's been making money off of the ignorance of others in God's name for too long and the sooner he meets HIS maker (whoever that is, LOL), the better. I'm sure he's excited about it anyway, with as much as he's been preaching AT people all these years.

[Misunderestimator]

66. BigMcLargeHuge

:yourock: :loveya:

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

80. I have to applaud you, Mr. BigMcLargehuge!

There's that thread going on in GD right now, and I briefly paraphrased your second to last paragraph (I did give you credit) so I hope that's okay.

Oh, and here's your applause: :applause:

[beam me up scottie]

86. I am not worthy, your royal BigMcLargehuge

:toast:
nt

[KitchenWitch]

65. Well said Bouncy, well said

I would like to add the "My God is better than your God" to the mix.

[alarimer]

67. It isn't as bad here in Corpus

there are no Megachurches. It is mostly Catholic. There is one of those nondenominational "fellowship" kind of places which is really weird. They send fliers all the time and block traffic in Sundays outside their warehouse-type headquarters. I get sick of all that too.

I am really trying hard not to say anything bad about Falwell right now. I do NOT wish him well. That is all I will say. But then I am a godless atheist and, for some reason, Christians seem inclined to want to pray for me. Oh well. Let them waste their time on me or atheists in general.

[gyopsy]

68. Must just be certain parts of the south

I live in Orlando, and while we have our fair share of this kind of thing, it's no where near as bad as Dallas it sounds like.

I used to think people who lived in the south exaggerated the religious influence but recent information leads to believe things are far more widespread than I had thought.

I feel bad for you. Maybe you could move someplace else if it bothers you that much? I promise you that not everywhere in the country is that bad.

[ImpeachBush]

71. Make your own verse for your web page:

http://www.jesusfolk.com/Bible/Verses/generator.htm

Interesting, I was trying to look up some biblical passage awhile back, something my mom was looking for information on. it is amazing how many "biblical" web sites are covers for porno/gambling portals.

[Bullwinkle925]

73. Hi Bouncy

You should submit this to your local paper's editorial page.
You're making me think MORE than twice about moving back to the Midwest.
I agree with everything you've said. Unfortunately, the zealots think they are 'duty-bound' to pass The Message on to each and every one of us. This is really becoming a NIGHTMARE.

AARRGHH.

[Susang]

74. I can't even imagine what that must be like for you

It's getting a little too "Handmaiden's Tale" lately, don't you think? Even here in Chicago, which is pretty damn secular. If you find that Religio-Filter, let me know, 'kay? :D

[Bouncy Ball]

77. It's normally like religious white noise

but in the past couple of years it's become like a sonic boom.

[Maestro]

75. I live and teach in the Dallas area too

I grew up for the longest time being content in my spirituality, but within the past 15 years or so it seems every godforsaken person is wearing their religion on their sleeves so now I am close to simply being areligious, agnostic or I am just going to start my own religion. Sheesh! It's pathetic. The government and many people want to butt into my life. Hey, here's an idea: Get the hell out of my life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bouncy Ball]

76. I hear ya. The next person

who invites me to a Bible study or to their church or asks me if I'm saved or if I've found Jesus (didn't know He was missing) is NOT going to like my very loud verbal reaction.

If that makes me a bad person, then SO BE IT.

[Blue_In_AK]

82. Oh, Bouncy, I feel your pain.

I lived in Texas in the '60s and it was bad even bach then. I can't even begin to imagine what it must be like for you now (although you described it very well). Hang in there.

[bridgit]

83. "there's so much shit in dallas yee hee...

you're bound to step in some."

johnny winter

[Bok_Tukalo]

85. "we have this fantastic workshop on how to submit better to your husband!"

Good to see the Church finally making themselves useful.

[lildreamer316]

90. AGREE and Question:

WHY is this, do ya think? I would love to hear your opinions. This drives me nuts here in the bible belt state of NC; and I'm sure you can see why.

[RetroLounge]

92. Preach On Sister!

No really, great rant!

Come to Wisconsin, the freaks here only worship the Packers like some weird religion.

Other than that, it's pretty okay...

RL

[Cooley Hurd]

96. Bouncy, have I told you how Christ saved my life?

:banghead: }(