Which is the most ostracized group at DU?

[madison2000]

Poll question: Which is the most ostracized group at DU?

[mike_c]

1. naderites.....

eom

[Seabiscuit]

28. You may have a point there.

The Green Party never seems to have been forgiven for fielding Nader in 2000 and stealing 4% of the vote while Gore lost to Bush. That extra 4% would have made the Florida fiasco unnecesary, and Gore would have won.

And the country and the world have been paying for it with blood and money ever since.

Nader turns my stomach for not only that reason, but because he bashes republicans and democrats, conservatives and liberals alike, trying to carve a niche out for himself, while attempting to justify himself with the most inane long-winded gibberish known to man.

[BlueIris]

77. Yah, I'd buy that.

Since the election, I've really been focused on the idea that the Democrats need to rally their base. Undecideds will decide to support us if we can start nailing the "Bush Lies/Voting Neo-Con is Suicide" frame. To me, it's no longer worth it to try to "reach out" to the wavering conservatives or those still inexplicably on the fence about voting Democrat--including the Nader/Green supporters. Basically, I no longer feel it's productive to criticize or demonize them. But, if I were to see them on these boards, while I wouldn't consider violating site guidelines or forgetting to act like a decent human being...I'm not sure I'd want to interact with them either.

[Terran]

107. Yep, it's Ralphie voters

Sorry Christians, you are not being persecuted.

[graywarrior]

2. You forgot the CBPP's

CryBaby PeePee Pants

[short bus president]

3. perverts n/t

;-)

[mongo]

12. and your friendly neighborhood smut peddler

[da_chimperor]

4. Freepers, no contest. n/t

[alittlelark]

5. Those that believe in Chemtrails.

- edited for clarification.

[madison2000]

11. Is that the same as chemtrails? As seen in the September 11 forum?

[alittlelark]

24. Uh, ooops.... yeah. Chemtrails.

I posted about the ones I saw about a year ago. It was SOOO ugly. I will not post a chemtrails sighting again.

[dbt]

55. Try being a Southerner who believes in Chemtrails!

And you are DEAD ON about the ugly responses. I almost let the "truth squad" shut me down!

:evilgrin:
dbt
Committee On Noticing Spray Programs Involving Real Aircraft Calculated Yearly

[madison2000]

69. I should have made conspiracy theorists a category...

[Dancing_Dave]

125. Ah, but Conspiracy Theorists will inherit the Earth!

Or, what little is left of it when the neo-con conspiracy is finished with it. :nopity:

[bookman]

6. I put Texans

As a Texan I always am bothered just a bit to be lumped in with those "other" Texans.

I've discovered many liberal Texans the past few years.

The sad thing is to see a W04 sticker on a beat up old car driven by a person who I highly suspect has no health care.

Ostracized or not though, I still love it here on DU.

[Wat_Tyler]

7. In an ideal world, Oasis fans.

I can but dream of that glad morning, dear friends. I can but dream.

[madison2000]

13. Is that a band?

[Robb]

8. Dingbats.

...and people who can't type. :D

[Jack Rabbit]

9. Trolls

From Christmas Gnomins

[XNASA]

10. The Scots

nt.

[HEyHEY]

33. We're working on that

[RagingInMiami]

14. With all the Florida bashing lately

I can't believe nobody has chosen Florida

[madison2000]

15. Maybe we drove them away already

I get offended by some of the Christian bashing around here but I try to have a sense of humor about it-

I think we all should be a little more aware of how diverse this forum is and be a little more careful with our words...

[Jamastiene]

64. I'm guilty on that count, but I hope you understand

that I bash your Bush led state government and the idiots among you, not all Floridians. All states have idiots amongst us, but Florida's idiots have been highlighted and displayed on the tube quite a bit more often. It does lead some of us to believe that maybe some states including my own have a larger ratio of right wing idiot. Maybe you'd have a case in the media that maybe they portray Florida in a bad light more often than any other state.

[RagingInMiami]

81. The truth is

We got a lot of lunatics here. I posted this down in the Florida group as a way to give a little background on our insanity.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=145x4092#4110

[Kathy in Cambridge]

16. Vegetables

[bigwillq]

18. Always making me laugh!

:hi:

[Longgrain]

17. OTHER...Chicagians...

No Match to Bostonians...:P

[Tesibria]

hey hey hey.....!!!!

watch it now ...

[XNASA]

22. Perhaps not in every way......

But it's apparent that we're better spellers.

[RevCheesehead]

34. silly rabbit....

that's Shkaaa-guns. If you're going to mock them, you'd better get it right. (of course, we cheeseheads have better names than that for them! :evilgrin:)

[greatauntoftriplets]

70. That's Chicagoans....

:eyes:

[Tweed]

116. That's how ostracized we are

They can't even spell it right.

[Placebo]

19. Sexaholics.

and Cat Lovers second.

[autorank]

39. Oh, I take back my nomination (although it's a good one)

You are sooo right. Whenever a sex thread comes up, it's locked and deleted. Must really piss the sexaholics off. DU justice is swift and certain.

[Jamastiene]

62. That would be high on the list as well.

Although I can't get enough, I consider myself a sexaholic. But then again, that is the definition of a sexaholic isn't it?

[Placebo]

99. ding dong!

we have a weiner! :spank:

[tinfoilinfor2005]

20. Geepers freepers

second only to Chimpsters.

[madison2000]

21. Freepers arent part of DU

they're kicked off as soon as they are discovered so I don't consider that ostracized - just banned

[tinfoilinfor2005]

23. You are right...

but they show up often enough that I had to consider it :)

[Seabiscuit]

25. Lawyers!

I catch shit almost everytime I tell someone I'm a lawyer.

No different from the real world.

[madison2000]

26. well if you didn't keep filing all those frivolous lawsuits

and perverting the judiciary, we'd treat you better ! :spank:

[Seabiscuit]

27. LOL!!!

I'd love to smack those a-hole lawyers representing the Schindlers upside the face! Talk about frivolous litigation!!!

:spank:

I don't even do litigation any more. I do work for the elderly.

[Jamastiene]

58. You'll never catch it from me.

as a matter of fact, you are probably the first lawyer I've ever "met". Well, even though it's only online. I find it fascinating actually. If you know the laws and know what rights you do and don't have, you can have a much better life. I've always wanted to have a lawyer as a friend if for no other reason than to pick your brain to try and undestand.

[madison2000]

63. Actually I love it when lawyers post

because so many issues can be clarified from that perspective.

[imenja]

29. I'm not sure ostracized is the right word

but the group against which prejudice is regularly and unrepentantly expressed is Christians.

[jdj]

30. PETA members of course.

[Jamastiene]

57. I've seen that happen a lot too.

That would be about my 2nd or 3rd pick after cat lovers or tied with it.

[Renew Deal]

126. Eco terrorists and their supporters?

:evilgrin:

[cags]

31. Pro-Life Dems

[goodboy]

32. other: people who don't belong to a DU clique. *nt*

[Jamastiene]

59. Have you ever considered giving them names?

The cliques, I mean. I have seriously thought about doing that just to gain perspective. I've never been part of a clique in my entire life and it's a billion times harder to get anyone to listen unless you are part of one. At least that has been my experience.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

35. scat lovers

they can't even get their own forum...they asked in ATA and were told to eat shit...so they did.

[short bus president]

36. *snarf*

what would the lounge be without the ocassional coprophagia reference?

;-)

[Wapsie B]

71. Yeah poopy heads!

LOL :evilgrin:

[Arkana]

37. Naderites

Especially the ones who feel they have to get their point across by bashing Democrats.

[autorank]

38. Message to Christians.

Would you stop with the persecution motif. You are most welcome on DU, in fact people bend over to make that clear. It's Easter tomorrow, the day of rebirth and celebration, lighten up already, celebrate, look to 'our father in the sky.'

The most ostracized group on DU are closet Freepers on the 2004 Elections Forum, people who try to convince the astute readers there that there really is a reasonable explanation as to why every statistical law known to man can be broken and still there are those who say * was really elected. Folks to step out of line there are in for a world of shit.

[qnr]

49. Yeah, what's up with that. It's almost like you want to turn those of

us here at DU, that aren't involved in your particular religion, into your own personal "lions" or something. I'm not interested in that. Enjoy your religion and leave me alone.

[autorank]

104. qnr, My sentiments exactly. "Have a blessed day"

"personal lions"...great phrase.

[Dukkha]

40. You Forgot Poland!

Always unappreciated!

:P

[Dukkha]

41. Here's a bunch:

Overweight people
Gun owners
Ohioans
SUV drivers
Dog lovers
Rap fans
Country fans
Wal Martians
Beatles fans
Mac users
American Idol worshippers
Believers in UFOs
Belivers in Ghosts

[last_texas_dem]

42. Southerners

1st runner-up: Christians
2nd runner-up: Oasis fans

[Madrone]

43. You forgot vegetarians -

n/t

:)

[last_texas_dem]

47. I definitely see that a lot, too

Well, especially PETA and their supporters. The DLC and their supporters as well. Kind of an interesting contrast...

[JI7]

44. Democrats

[deadparrot]

45. What about cat haters? nt

[liberal43110]

46. I made a disparaging remark about Texas today

and someone from Texas claimed I hurt her feelings. Sheesh.

[jpgray]

48. Sane people who post reasonable things in a calm manner

We've run 'em all off, though.

:D

[kokofitz]

83. I'm still here, I think I'm reasonable

I just don't post much.

[saltpoint]

50. The moralizers & proselytizers. The ones who insist on martyr status.

They're nailed frequently -- if I may use that verb on Easter Sunday -- and rightly so. They appear to believe that everyone else must share their belief system, and barring that, they become instant "victims." If other DUers don't kow-tow to their limitations, then other DUers are mean-spirited.

Codswallop.

[rucky]

51. The biggest ostracized group isn't necessarily the most ostracized...

necessarily

If an ostracized group is big enough, they aren't exactly wandering the perimeter of the DU social scene - they're just another group that may take alot of heat.

I feel sorry for the Joe Leiberman fans (but not really that sorry).

I really feel sorry for the Vegetarian New Mexican Jew in Oregon who's going to Episcopal Church tomorrow for Easter - then ham for dinner afterwards. That guy is pathetic. ;)

[rucky]

52. oh yeah...and people into semantics. n/t

[Behind the Aegis]

53. Other

I feel there are a few groups more ostracized than the ones mentioned. Some of the groups that really get beat up:

Southerners (we are all inbreed, cousin-humping, Rebel Flag waving, racist hicks),

NON-Christians (did you see the "shit-storm" when I suggested a Jewish group? Also, just about ANY disagreement with a Christian poster or ideal leads to "you are a Christian basher."),

and

supporters of Israel (not the policies, per se, but the nation. People won't even post if it is mentioned, and just about any thread that starts out about Israel ends up in the I/P room, even if it has nothing to do with that conflict.).

I would also think there are some cliques here, but no biggie.

[Jamastiene]

66. Southerners (we are all inbreed, cousin-humping, Rebel Flag waving, racist

Not all southerners, but the majority for sure at least where I live.

[AlFrankenFan]

92. Yep n/t

[entanglement]

54. Other

Vegetarians. The logic seems to be Vegetarian = Vegan = PETA extremist = "OMG! no more cheeseburgers for me!" = Fire at will! :hurts:

[Jamastiene]

56. Atheists and other nonChristians

You can't open your mouth about fundamentalist Christians anywhere, including DU, without getting a slew of pm's and replies that are downright defensive and offensive at the same time. EVEN IF you differentiate between liberal Christians and fundamentalists like Bush and his followers, an awful lot of Christians on here will jump you and not even stop to think about how reactionary they are being about the subject. What's so sad about it is that there are a few Christians who will actually be kind and considerate about it Those that go on the offensive because they couldn't seem to understand that the original poster was referring to fundies spoil it for the rest who try to discuss. Of course, this will provoke a reaction eventually from atheists who are tired of being not only in the minority but being ganged up on if we/they dare speak our/their minds.

[terrya]

61. Correct answer.

You expressed it perfectly. Thanks.

[Radical Activist]

101. Only a few weeks ago

there was a string of Jesus threads that were obviously offensive to at least some Christians on the board. I can't think of a time when there were a few dozen threads insulting atheists in one evening. I see comments insulting to christians posted frequently.
You have a point in broader society but I don't believe that translates to DU.

[Jamastiene]

108. Actually, atheists do get bashed more than Christians

and that is something there is no place you can go without it happening. And if Christians were ever ganged up on like atheists are, for simply pointing out the truth, you'd all be running to get lawyers to fight it out in court for violating your civil rights. Must be nice. You have YOUR rights. The rest of us don't. I wish the shoe would move to the other foot long enough for you to understand what it's like. Then maybe you'd get my point. If you are in the majority then you'll NEVER understand.

[Tweed]

119. You've got to be joking

At first I thought this was a joke, then I realized you must live in another reality. Atheists diss Christianity on here to no end. Christians don't bring up religion on their own. I've never seen threads that contradict that.

Don't believe me? Find a news item that has ANYTHING to do with Christianity and I'll find a news item that deals with atheism. I guarantee that the Christianity thread will have five snarky comments within five minutes from atheists and Christians won't care about the atheist thread.

I really suggest you start paying attention.

[Misunderestimator]

60. A poll about ostracism might have the most responses from those

who have bigger numbers but some sort of crucifixion complex... just sayin'. :)

[jonnyblitz]

65. no shit.

:eyes:

[Kathy in Cambridge]

68. No crucifixion complex anymore. It's Easter Sunday!

:D

[Runcible Spoon]

112. hehehehe I can always count on you...

so say what I don't have the guts to!

[SarahB]

67. Parents of obnoxious children.

:P

[BlueIris]

75. Respectfully...huh? n/t

[SarahB]

76. I'm a mommy myself!

It's all just tongue and cheek here. :hi:

[Misunderestimator]

72. Do you think that because the highest responses were from Christians

who think they are ostracized, this somehow proves a point that there is bashing going on?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=120x32493

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

78. I think it proves there is

something going on, all right, but I doubt it is the persecution of any one religion...

[Toucano]

87. Yep. You got it, too! n/t

[solinvictus]

73. Christians...

particularly Roman Catholics/Eastern Orthodox. This Schiavo mess has brought that bashing out because many feel their faith dictates that she be allowed to live.

[WI_DEM]

74. Christians

There is hardly a day which goes by that more than one thread doesn't start attacking or mocking Christians or their beliefs.

[kokofitz]

84. I agree wholeheartedly.

I've been reading for several months. It's a epidemic IMO.

[name not needed]

79. Christians. Definitely.

Followed by Naderites/Greens, U2 fans, Oasis fans and people with bees in their head. And if you're all of these things, you're fucked.

[WilliamPitt]

80. Republicans

Duh.

[progressoid]

85. Yep

[madison2000]

90. Duh?

Republicans don't last very long around here without being banned so they're not exactly a group within Democratic Underground.

[Redstone]

82. Ostriches,

of course. And rightly so, if I may say so.

Redstone

[tx_dem41]

86. Christians, definitely...and I say that as an Atheist. n/t

[VegasWolf]

88. Yes, I totally agree. I think it's a generalized response to the backward

state of affairs right now in US.

[tx_dem41]

89. People who attack with a broadbrush are responsible for their own

...behavior. They can't blame it on anyone but themselves.

[madison2000]

91. Well there's a lot of broadbrushing here at DU- and its not just

against Christians. There is a dominant culture here and I think there are people who just don't realize there is a limit to what people should have to put up with. Italians get sick and tired of being associated with organized crime. Catholics get sick and tired of being associated with pedophile priests. Naderites get tired of being blamed for election 2000. And liberal Christians get sick and tired of being ridiculed for being Christians. I think sometimes people at DU need to listen to others more and do their homework- that way they would find that religion in general and Christianity in particular is not so simple as they would make it out to be.

[hickman1937]

96. Thank you. n/t

[Cuban_Liberal]

103. Thank you!

That was beautifully said!

:pals:

[madison2000]

105. thank you for thanking me

:hug:

[arwalden]

93. Well...

[Bill McBlueState]

94. You'd think on Easter...

You'd think on Easter, Christians would have more important and enjoyable things to do than show up on *an internet message board* and complain about being "bashed" on *an internet message board*.

Go have some ham.

[madison2000]

100. You just illustrated the point very well

[CRYINGWOLFOWITZ]

95. DLCers

clearly

[Cuban_Liberal]

97. This one isn't even close.

The poll is surprising, only in that it recognises what is patently obvious to many of us here.

:thumbsup:

[Misunderestimator]

98. Yes, that many of the Christians here feel ostracized...

I take exception to the notion that they actually are however.

[Cuban_Liberal]

102. I don't. n/t

[fortyfeetunder]

106. How about Fundamentalist Christians...

I don't get offended by the Christian rhetoric, but I think those who are in the evangelical/fundamentalist Christian part are more likely to be ostracized.

[Guy Fawkes]

109. On edit: Oasis

definitely the most slamed group here.

[Runcible Spoon]

114. "your favorite band sucks"

love that Tshirt :evilgrin:

[edbermac]

110. Anyone who voted for Bush...

They're definitely on my shit list...

[Runcible Spoon]

111. how can Christians be ostracized when they are the MAJORITY, even here?

it doesn't ring true. There are too many here who cannot tolerate even the smallest criticism of their faith even when that criticism is well-founded.

[JohnKleeb]

115. Christians aren't the majority here

I saw a poll earlier and non believers in god out number believers, add to the fact we do have some Jews, Muslims, etc who also believe in god. I can tolerate criticism as long as people don't call organized religion something that they brainwashed do.

[jonnyblitz]

118. those polls arent scientific dude please

it depends on who is online at the time and who decides to participate for whatever result to occur on those polls. christians are the majority everywhere. i cant believe i have to explain this to you. geez :eyes:

[JohnKleeb]

120. How the fuck are we supposed to get a scientific poll?

and I think its reasonable of me to say that at least one in every three DUers are athiest or agnostic. I dont feel persecuted against but I feel people do say some really fucked up things about something they have no understanding of what it means to others. I dont think there is a clear majority but Ive been here and seen enough polls to know its more closer to being even than it is to being majority Christian. I say give and take maybe you got 35-45% of people who are athiest/agnostic and another of the same about who are christian. Theres also a sizable Wiccan community here on the boards and of course you have Jewish posters as well, and I know of a couple muslims too.

[jonnyblitz]

121. nevermind kleeb.

if i have to explain that an online poll isnt scientific then..just nevermind. :eyes: did you think, for one, the result of that poll might depend on who is online at the time to participate and that many of the christians might be out celebrating, after all it IS easter. and therefore not online to cast their vote? just..nevermind..

[JohnKleeb]

122. I know that

but I think you're wrong if you suggest that Christians are a sizable majority here. Not of all are practicing Christians either.

[madison2000]

123. Exactly.

Disparage someones beliefs, and if they don't appreciate it call them thin-skinned humorless crybabies with a crucifixion complex and remind them of your right to speak freely- meaning as crassly and insensitively as you would if you were talking to Freepers.

[Zenlitened]

113. Crybabies.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

117. There's a lot of those on DU lately.

DU has lost its sense of humor these days. :eyes:

[Renew Deal]

124. Men

[Moderator]

127. Locking

This discussion has run its course.

Thanks,
DU Moderator