Anyone notice this about 24?

[redqueen]

They've tortured two suspects so far, and BOTH were innocent.

I like that.

[reprehensor]

1. Normalizing torture for the Great Unwashed.

Just another day at the rack.

Disgusting.

[redqueen]

9. I took it more along the lines of... 'see how useless this is?'

Even the guilty woman... when someone started torturing her to try to get information, two major characters stepped in and told him not to.

But thanks anyway for the kneejerk response! ;)

[Beware the Beast Man]

11. Heheh...at first I thought you weren't a fan.

:hi:

[DrWeird]

2. And how do they portray it?

As an absolute horror, or as a "whoops, silly us, we did it again!"

[Beware the Beast Man]

5. From a fan's perspective,

they've portrayed the head of the Counter-Terrorist Unit as incompetent.

[DrWeird]

7. So the torture isn't that big a deal?

Just make sure you get the right guy next time you torture someone?

[Beware the Beast Man]

8. No, they've shown that torture was not effective

in getting the info they needed. The last episode made that pretty clear when Jack (Keifer Sutherland) stopped that agent from torturing the mother.

[redqueen]

10. Jack and Tony both stopped it.

[DrWeird]

20. And that's the only problem they show about it?

Do the good guys torture people and they're still the good guys?

[Beware the Beast Man]

21. Does the entire story line need to be spelled out in the first episodes?

We do not know who the "good guys" are, sometimes not until the last moments of the finale.

[redqueen]

24. Nope.

The 'good guys' you're talking about are now conspiring with each other to withhold information in order to protect themselves from higher ups.

Ugh...

[redqueen]

16. It's a big deal.

In previous seasons psychological torture has been portrayed in a positive light.

[redqueen]

12. As what it was. Incompetent people ordering fruitless torture.

There has been no obvious moral judgment on it, but the meaning is clear.

[okieinpain]

35. well to be honest, I do believe that in emergency's like have

6 nuclear reactors blowing up would allow for some torture to take place. I mean if you've got a person and you have reasonable suspicions that they might have some info, I say the suspect should expect some pressure.

if I was the suspect, I would go out of my way to make sure my interrogators knew everything. instead of what the son did "that's none of your business".

[redqueen]

38. I tend to agree.

Last season (or the one before? not sure...) anyway they portrayed an incident before in which psychological torture was used to break a suspect (they faked a near assassination of his wife/ child in order to get him to talk).

I suspect the son was just being rebellious. He paid dearly for it, too.

[Beware the Beast Man]

3. Thus proving the point that torture is not an effective device

for interrogation.
THAT is the point I believe the writers were trying to make.

[redqueen]

13. Exactly.

And I'm enjoying it so far.

[DrGonzoLives]

31. And which is flying right over the heads

of more than a few people at DU...

[okieinpain]

4. the one girl was innocent. but the jury is still out on the son of the

s.o.d. the mother is defiantly guilty. who else has been tortured. and oh yeah, I'm sick of the middle eastern terrorist angle. you there are other terrorist in the world.

[Beware the Beast Man]

6. And 24 has portrayed them all:

British, American, Bosnian, Middle-Eastern, Mexican, Ukranian, lower-class, middle-class, upper-class, etc. Everyone is on the take, not just Middle Easterners.

[redqueen]

15. Thanks

I thought this was well settled. Guess not.

[okieinpain]

28. you're right. I guess I'm a racist, I forgot last season was the

drug connection.

[Beware the Beast Man]

32. Come again?

Did I imply you were racist? I didn't get the memo. :shrug:

[okieinpain]

36. no I'm saying that about me. chill my friend. I'm just agreeing with

you. I think terrorist and immediately put it with middle east, I forgot the bio-weapon came from the drug dealers trying to bust out his bro. and the other guy was some freakin patriot or something. I forgot about that for some reason. i.e., I must be a freakin racist.

:~)

[Beware the Beast Man]

37. Oh, I got you.

:hi: No, you're not racist at all; you're just conscious of the terrorist stereotype.

[redqueen]

14. Is the jury still out? I don't think so.

What makes you say that?

The mother was tortured briefly, and the two senior characters stepped in and stopped it. Or did you not notice that?

[okieinpain]

27. uh, the mother is guilty as hell. remember she said that she

believes in her cause, and she didn't gives a rat ass how many people died, just save my son. you did see that part right.

[redqueen]

29. I was talking about the son of the S.O.D.

The one you said the jury was still out on...

[okieinpain]

34. sorry but I must have mis-understood your post. explain please.

Your Post
"What makes you say that? The mother was tortured briefly, and the two senior characters stepped in and stopped it. Or did you not notice that?"

[redqueen]

39. Just wondering why you think the jury is still out on the SOD.

And your statement about Fairuz's mom being tortured... I wondered if you saw that the guy pressed his thumb into her wound for less than a minute, and then it was put to a stop.

[MissMillie]

22. that's what I thought

I'm betting the sod's son still has a part to play.

[El Fuego]

17. Well, that's our government for you.

What got me was how the secretary of state's son was screaming "you can't do this! I'm an American!" when they were torturing him. Then he later tells his dad (the secretary of state) about this outrage, and his dad orders him tortured again because obviously he's hiding something.

Yep, it's a wonderful bushie world, even on TV.

[redqueen]

18. Yep... I believe they're going for an accurate a portrayal as possible.

Pretty much nailing it so far.

[Beware the Beast Man]

19. As characters switch often on this series,

I wouldn't be surprised if there's something rotten about the SOD.

[coloradodem2005]

23. With all the debate last month about the politics of 24...

...it will be interesting to see how the rest of the season unfolds.

[redqueen]

25. I don't think many are going to wait and see.

I think many have their minds made up already.

[coloradodem2005]

26. How so?

In what way? They know how the season is going to end?

[Beware the Beast Man]

30. I think what she means is,

a number of folks see the show for face value, and write it off as some RW Bushista fantasy show, when it clearly isn't.

[redqueen]

40. Oops... yes... thanks BTBM

I missed this question before.

That's exactly what I meant. It seems people from all sides are jumping to all sorts of conclusions about this show.

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42. WOOHOO!

I think this is the first time that GrovelBot has appeared in one of my threads.

:bounce:

[fishwax]

41. The Sec of Defense torturing his son was directly compared to

the terrorist father ordering the murder of his own son. The two decisions were made simultaenously, and the story lines developed alongside each other, intercut one to another. Both parents justified their decisions as necessary for their cause, and the Sec of Defense's decision proved fruitless.

Of course, there is still time to find out something different was going on with the son, but the bottom line was that the show compared the torture of an American citizen with a terrorist murdering his own child. It was not a flattering comparison for the justification of torture.

[redqueen]

43. Oooh yes!

I hadn't thought of that, but you're exactly right.