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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 07:36 PM
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Maybe I don't really know art.
But Christo's latest work simply bores me. :shrug:
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 07:38 PM
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1. Yeah, what good is a Christo piece if there's not an airborne yellow
umbrella impaling an observer?

:evilgrin:
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 07:39 PM
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2. What?
I'm afraid you lost me.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 07:45 PM
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6. Referencing his "Umbrellas" piece in the 90's
Which involved hundred of giant umbrellas mounted along I-99 in California. Now what he didn't take into consideration was that this area is notorious for its very high winds . . . now as we all know, wind and umbrellas are not friendly to each other.

The wind ripped one of the umbrellas loose and killed someone, the piece was dismantled shortly after.

That said, I was never a big fan of his stuff.
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 07:47 PM
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8. Ah. Ok, thanks.
The wraps up stuff and hangs drapes.

Like I said, BFD.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 08:14 PM
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15. The ACTUAL facts about THE UMBRELLAS
Edited on Sat Feb-12-05 08:14 PM by BrklynLiberal
CHRISTO AND JEANNE-CLAUDE: THE UMBRELLAS,
JAPAN - USA, 1984-91.

At sunrise, on October 9th, 1991, Christo and Jeanne-Claude's 1,880 workers began to open the 3,100 umbrellas in Ibaraki and California, in the presence of the artists.

This Japan-USA temporary work of art reflected the similarities and differences in the ways of life and the use of the land in two inland valleys, one 19 kilometers (12 miles) long in Japan, and the other 29 kilometers (18 miles) long in the USA.

In Japan, the valley is located north of Hitachiota and south of Satomi, 120 kilometers (75 miles) north of Tokyo, around Route 349 and the Sato River, in the Prefecture of Ibaraki, on the properties of 459 private landowners and governmental agencies.

In the U.S.A., the valley is located 96.5 kilometers (60 miles) north of Los Angeles, along Interstate 5 and the Tejon Pass, between south of Gorman and Grapevine, on the properties of Tejon Ranch, 25 private landowners as well as governmental agencies.

Eleven manufacturers in Japan, USA, Germany and Canada prepared the various elements of The Umbrellas: fabric, aluminum super-structures, steel frame bases, anchors, wooden base supports, bags and molded base covers. All 3,100 umbrellas were assembled in Bakersfield, California, from where the 1,340 blue umbrellas were shipped to Japan.

Starting in December 1990, with a total work force of 500, Muto Construction Co. Ltd. in Ibaraki, and A. L. Huber & Son in California installed the earth anchors and steel bases. The sitting platform / base covers were placed during August and September 1991.

From September 19 to October 7, 1991, an additional construction work force began transporting The Umbrellas to their assigned bases, bolted them to the receiving sleeves, and elevated the umbrellas to an upright closed position. On October 4, students, agricultural workers, and friends, (960 in USA and 920 in Japan,) joined the work force to complete the installation of The Umbrellas. Each umbrella was 6 meters (19 feet 8 inches) high and 8.66 meters (26 feet 5 inches) in diameter.

The artists entirely financed their 26 million dollar temporary work of art through The Umbrellas, Joint Project for Japan and U.S.A. Corporation (Jeanne-Claude Christo-Javacheff, president). Previous projects by the artists have all been financed in a similar manner through the sale of the studies, preparatory drawings, collages, scale models, early works, and original lithographs. The artists do not accept any sponsorship.

The removal started on October 27 and the land was restored to its original condition. The Umbrellas were taken apart and all elements were recycled.

The Umbrellas, free standing dynamic modules, reflected the availability of the land in each valley, creating an invitational inner space, as houses without walls, or temporary settlements and related to the ephemeral character of the work of art. In the precious and limited space of Japan, The Umbrellas were positioned intimately, close together and sometimes following the geometry of the rice fields. In the luxuriant vegetation enriched by water year round, The Umbrellas were blue.

In the California vastness of uncultivated grazing land, the configuration of the umbrellas was whimsical and spreading in every direction. The brown hills are covered by blond grass, and in that dry landscape, The Umbrellas were yellow.

From October 9th, 1991 for a period of eighteen days, The Umbrellas were seen, approached, and enjoyed by the public, either by car from a distance and closer as they bordered the roads, or by walking under The Umbrellas in their luminous shadows.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 08:21 PM
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17. It was along 99 through the grapevine, I drove by it 4 or 5 times while
Edited on Sat Feb-12-05 08:29 PM by ET Awful
it was there.

I-5 and 99 are basically the same for quite a distance. (or does 99 turn to 5 just north of Bakersfield. . . I forget).

I lived in Bakersfield at the time BTW.

http://www.tedsimages.com/text/umbrella.htm

And yes the project came down early, and yes the umbrellas killed someone.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 07:41 PM
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3. Your profile says you don't live in NYC. Have you seen it?
Just wondering. I'd love to at least have the opportunity.
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 07:43 PM
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5. Just on the news.
Bunch of drapes. Big deal.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 07:46 PM
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7. That's a response to the idea, not to the art itself.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 07:41 PM
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4. nothing wrong with your gut honest response to the work
Christo offends me just on principle since the time he wrapped the island and killed it. Hey, I wrap my damn garden to "solarize" it so I know what it does to the wild flowers and the wild weeds.

Christo can bite me.

No one has to like everything.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72


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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 07:58 PM
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11. he killed an island?
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 08:02 PM
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13. Christo never "Wrapped" any islands
Edited on Sat Feb-12-05 08:05 PM by BrklynLiberal

The Game of Errors: There are six errors in the following published short sentence:
http://www.christojeanneclaude.net/errors.html

"Christo wrapped some islands in Florida, off the coast of Miami in Key Biscayne with pink plastic."

* 1.-2. Christo and Jeanne-Claude never wrapped any Islands. They surrounded the islands. Most journalists do not understand the difference between wrapping and surrounding even though they should know that the United Kingdom is surrounded by water, it is not wrapped in water.
* 3. There were eleven islands surrounded, but because in two occasions 2 islands were surrounded together, there was a total of nine configurations on a span of seven miles.
* 4. Not off the coast. Off the coast would be in the Atlantic Ocean, east of Miami Beach.
* 5. It was in Biscayne Bay in the heart of the city of Miami, between Miami City and Miami Beach. Key Biscayne is miles away from there.
* 6. Not plastic - FABRIC, woven polypropylene is a man-made fiber, and is woven. Plastic usually refers to a film, not woven. For instance, women who wear nylon stockings are not wearing plastic stockings.

So-Called Environmentalists, in the past, have claimed, before each project, that Christo and Jeanne-Claude will hurt the environment. They realized, after the completion that:

* 1. Christo and Jeanne-Claude are the cleanest artists in the world, all is removed, their large scale works of art are temporary.
* 2. The sites are restored to their original condition and most materials are recycled. Except in Florida, for the Surrounded Islands. That site was luckily not restored to its original condition. Christo and Jeanne-Claude's workers removed, before the project, at Christo and Jeanne-Claude’s expense, 40 tons of garbage from the eleven Islands (one of the islands was called "beer cans island" – of course the garbage was not restored to the Islands!
* 3. The Real Environmentalists such as "The Audubon Society" and "The Sierra Club" usually find themselves on Christo and Jeanne-Claude’s side – because they are better informed. They know how much Christo and Jeanne-Claude spend to make the public aware of the environment, through the art work, much more than Environmentalists can afford to do.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 07:56 PM
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9. I am going to be there tomorrow and I think it will be an incredible
experience...which is what art is all about. 7500 arches spread out over 23 miles of beautifully wooded walking paths.

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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 07:58 PM
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10. I would love to see it...
I think Christo does interesting things - mainly with scale. I think Central Park in winter would be lovely with 23 miles of saffron fabric gates.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 08:01 PM
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12. Maybe he can wrap the White House
in Red White & Blue airtight cellophane...

That would be art...

RL
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 08:08 PM
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14. You idiots would know Art if it bit you on the ass.
SO...here's some REAL Art...by a wonderful man Thomas Koolaid. (or something like that)

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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 08:16 PM
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16. I don't know what I like, but, I know Art
Have you seen him?
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gizmo1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 08:34 PM
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18. looks like curtains to me!
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