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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 02:34 AM
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17 cents per bag at the grocery stores..Are you gonna pay it?
or bring your own.. I can tell you from personal experience, the checkers and baggers wil hate hate hate it if they have to fumble with all different sizes and materials in "customer provided" bags..

A few stores here used to have "bag recycling" areas, until they discovered that that bin was a virtual breeding ground for "critters", so they stopped it.

Supposedly the "pay per bag" is supposed to cut down on shopping bag litter and disposal..

My suggestion... Thicker stronger plastic bags, filled properly would cut down on HALF of the "wasted" bags.. I actually have my trunk configured with re-useable cardboard boxes, and DO unload the poorly filled bags they give me ..

I fill a grocery cart, with things grouped together, and unless I can get to the end of the checkstand and bag my own stuff, it ends up taking TWO carts (which I then need help to the car with), and I end up with ice cream in the same bag as soap or canned goods.:grr:
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 02:35 AM
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1. I already bring my own.
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ogradda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 02:37 AM
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2. is that something people are doing where you are?
they charge you for bags when you shop now?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 02:39 AM
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3. Apparently San Francisco is going to start charging.
Our local news just said that "if it's a success", the stores here will probably do it too.
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ogradda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 02:42 AM
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4. hhhmmmm.
i remember we had a nickle a bag charge they tried here a few years ago(wa)which didn't last long...too big a hassle for the stores i guess. but 17 cents a bag seems a bit excessive to me.
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eleonora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 02:53 AM
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5. 17 c the bag?
I'm bringing my own tote. Ugh!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 02:58 AM
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6. yep...per bag...n/t
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 03:00 AM
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7. Some stores in Europe charge for bags. nt
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 03:01 AM
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8. It's been that way in Europe and probably the rest of the world..........
for a long time. They use those great little wheel around carts, I've already got mine.:eyes:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 03:04 AM
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9. Here's one of the many articles about this today
Edited on Tue Jan-25-05 03:05 AM by SoCalDem
I do remember discussing it here months ago when they were just starting to think about it.. In the late 70's in kansas, a chain called "Milgrams" gave you a 5 cent credit for each bag you did NOT use..When your groceries were all bagged and you were ready to leave, they would give you the money as you left.... Wow!! a quarter for the horsie out front :)





http://olympics.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=7415176

San Francisco Ponders Ecology Tax for Grocery Bags
Mon Jan 24, 2005 06:10 PM ET

By Adam Tanner
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) -

San Francisco, which has long prided itself on environmentally friendly policies, is debating whether it should become the first U.S. city to tax grocery bags to encourage recycling. On Tuesday, the city's Department of the Environment will vote on whether to recommend a 17 cent fee on each bag, be it paper or plastic, in an effort to curb the use of an estimated 50 million bags a year in the Californian city.

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Environmentalists say that plastic bags create significant litter problems, are rarely recycled and are a threat to marine life. They add that 14 million trees a year are needed to make 10 billion paper grocery bags nationwide. The city uses 90 percent plastic, 10 percent paper, so the problem is largely plastic. The Environment Department says the 17 cents figure represents costs to the city to clean up and dispose of each plastic bag.

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Plastics industry groups oppose the measure and dispute some of the statistics used by San Francisco officials. Donna Dempsey, an official at the Society of the Plastics Industry, said, for example, that a San Francisco Environment Department claim that the United States uses 12 million barrels of oil annually to make 30 billion plastic bags is just wrong. Instead, she gave a figure of one million barrels of naphtha, an petroleum derivative.

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"Bag fees are working in Ireland, Australia, Taiwan Bangladesh and other places," he said in an interview. "Far too many producers and retailers only consider price and consumer convenience in their packaging decisions and leave the public to foot the bill." Some countries already charge for grocery bags, including Ireland, which imposed a 15 cent fee per bag in 2002. Shoppers in other countries such as Russia have long relied on bringing their own fishnet bags and even shopping strollers to haul home groceries and other goods.
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 04:31 AM
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12. Recycleing doesent work most of the time
its cheaper to actually make new plastic than it is to recycle old, and Paper goes through a "de-inking" process wich leaves a toxic Sludge, but recycleing aluminum DOES help, its cheaper to recycle aluminum than it is to mine and refine the ore
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McKenzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 04:06 AM
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10. supermarkets over here sell sturdy placcy bags
for around a quid. Dunno what that would be in dollaaas these days...$92? Anyway, when the bag is life-expired the supermarket replaces it free of charge.

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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 04:23 AM
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11. Whatever it takes to cut down on all the bags ending up at the beach...
is fine by me.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 05:48 AM
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13. Me too
I think it's a good idea. I am so tired of all those darn bags I get, I try to remember to take them back to the market (they have a bin to put them in) but I still am inundated with them. x(
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