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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 11:46 AM
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Need help: Mr. Coventina & I just bought a "fixer-upper"
Edited on Wed Dec-22-04 11:50 AM by Coventina
It needs to be gutted and re-done.
I've never done anything like this, and Mr. C. wants me to be in charge as "woman of the house" to pick out all the stuff to re-do the house with.

1) Are there any "blue" home improvement stores?

2) Here is the list of things that needs re-doing, am I forgetting anything important?

a. flooring throughout house
b. paint / wallpaper
c. window treatments
d. new kitchen countertops
e. new kitchen cabinets
f. new vanities and other fixtures in bathrooms
g. new light fixtures throughout house
i. ceiling fans

I'm going to measure all of our major pieces of furniture. Then I'm going over to the "new" place to measure all the rooms and windows.

Am I forgetting anything important?


on edit: any suggestions on earth-friendly materials and stuff would be GREATLY appreciated! :-)
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 11:47 AM
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1. sounds like a blast!
Don't forget your checkbook!

I have heard Lowes is better than others, but can't swear to it.
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zbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 11:50 AM
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2. Sounds like quite a challenge!
I've never done anything like it, but I would make sure the electric and plumbing are up to snuff before you do any significant remodeling.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 11:53 AM
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3. The house is "sound" just incredibly filthy and gross.
It got a clean bill of health from the inspector and termite guy.

There are some minor plumbing issues that Mr. C. will be in charge of.

I'm just in charge of cosmetics, mostly.
It's a little daunting, because I've never had a house before.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 11:55 AM
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4. Check out BuyBlue.com....................
Edited on Wed Dec-22-04 11:56 AM by ClintonTyree
it may have the name of a home improvement store that donates to Dems, but I doubt you'll find one. The Mega Big-Box Stores are almost entirely Repuke owned and operated. Your best bet may be a local lumber yard/hardware store with no political affiliations. I'd suggest doing things slowly, a little at a time or the project will overwhelm you. Good luck, I don't envy the task ahead of you, but you will have a tremendous feeling of accomplishment when you're finally (if ever) finished.
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Grey Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:00 PM
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5. Insulation.
No other thing you can do to your new home is so inportent as insulation. For comfort, summer or winter, you need all the insulation you can afford. Also double check on the plumbing and electrical, If you don't have the service necessary you won't be happy. I know it's not as fun as the cosmetic stuff, but you would not be happy if every time someone turned on the bathroom fan it kicked the power supply to your computer. Good karma in your new home.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:02 PM
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7. Thanks for the suggestions
And thanks for the wishes.

I should probably do some sort of spiritual "cleansing" of the place when I go over today.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:01 PM
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6. Some green ideas
there are places that make countertops, etc, from recycled materials-heard about them on a home improvement show, but can't tell you where to find them-sorry.

That being said, here's an idea for those counters, etc-go to a salvage store, or check with a local contractor. You can find real quality cabinets, light fixtures, etc, that have come from a home that is being torn down or remodeled. You are then getting better stuff for your bucks and recycling!

There's a place that makes paint out of clays with no chemicals. This is great if you are allergic to chemicals. My doctor painted her office with them, and they have held up well. You can find them online-again, sorry I can't recall the name!

One thing you didn't mention that is crucial wherever you live is insulation. You can get insulation made from recycled materials-cellulose is usually ground up newspaper. When you install your new windows (I'd look online for super efficient windows, btw), be sure to stuff insulation around them so that you don'thave air leaks.

One thing you might wish to consider is solar energy panels. You can add them to your roof or buy roofing that has the solar panels built right in. We are going off the grid soon, as we suspect energy prices will be going sky high soon. This might be something you need to consider as well.

Good luck in your remodeling!
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:04 PM
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8. Google here I come! Thanks!
:thumbsup:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:04 PM
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9. window treatments?
well i sell them. make sure you measure the top, bottom and center of the windows. also top to bottom corners. a good quality product will save you money in the long run. any other questions feel free to pm.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:09 PM
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11. Thanks! Will do!
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:07 PM
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10. Here ya go, Coventina....
Edited on Wed Dec-22-04 12:12 PM by fudge stripe cookays
http://www.greenpages.org/results.cfm

Enter your state and it'll give you some interesting "green" alternatives for building products and such. I found one place for the Progressive Pages up in Washington State that uses sustainable lumber for flooring, decking, etc. Cool stuff.

(Use the pages under Retail: Variety for some more ideas: http://www.globalblogs.com/progressivepages/index.html)

Also, check to see if the Habitat for Humanity folks have a re-sale store near you. reprehensor and I got a sink for $5 at one near here! They take all the leftover supplies from the HfH houses and re-sell it to the public, putting the money back into the cause. I LOVE that. Get in there every chance I can. They have paint, light fixtures, flooring, all kinds of nifty stuff!

Quick tips: Lowe's is better than Home Depot. If you have a small True Value or Ace Hardware near you, or even locally owned non-franchise places, they're even better, because they're small and local (for instance, in Texas we have Breed and Company in Austin and Elliott's in Dallas).

For the lighter weight home decor stuff, Cost Plus World Market and Crate and Barrel are blue, Pier One and Pottery Barn are red. Sorry I haven't checked on Restoration Hardware yet.

Hope these help a little bit! And congratulations on your new baby! I love doing fix-er up stuff. Home improvement rules! Show us some pix when you've made some progress!

PS- Instead of re-painting nasty old cabinets, several cans of Kilz primer can be your best friend in the world! (It lets you re-paint over any surface, even if it's not sanded or rough) I re-did our beaten up yucky wood kitchen cabinets with Kilz and a couple coats of glossy white paint, then gorgeous new pewter knobs. Saved us several thousand that we DIDN'T have to use for new cabinets!

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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:11 PM
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12. Wow! That's great!
Thanks.

I don't have a digital camera. Otherwise I would post some pictures of how it looks NOW. Yikes!

Mr. C. and I were literally shoveling garbage out of the house last night.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:15 PM
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17. Just take some regular pix.
Get em turned into digital at the photo shop. You can't go through all that effort with no "Before and After" documentation! You have to be able to show it off to everyone!

My cousin recently went through this with a family house that she and her husband were "given" in Libertyville, Illinois. She showed me the before pictures, and holey moley! Definitely have your work cut out for you with the crud shoveling! You can DO it!

=)
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:11 PM
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13. Look into bamboo flooring
it's a "green material"

also check BuildingGreen.com for resources
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:13 PM
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14. agreed - I was just writing up my post on this...
Look into bamboo flooring instead of your typical oak hardwood. Bamboo is much more environmentally friendly, is water & termite resistant and is actually like 20% harder than oak. I believe you can grow the same amount of bamboo in one year that it would take 50 years from oak trees. I cannot recommend a specific dealer, but try to find somebody smaller and local. And, if you have to make the choice, choose Lowe¡¯s before Home Depot.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:14 PM
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16. Thanks!
I was hoping not to have to do pergo.
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4morewars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:13 PM
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15. The most important things first !
1) How is the roof ? Make sure all of the above stays dry ! Nothing would suck more than spending tens of thousands of dollars and many hours of hard work, only to have it ruined the first time it rains!

2) How about the furnace/air conditioning ? May as well make sure these are working well before you put in nice floors that you wont want workers dragging furnace components across. You also dont want pipes freezing, paper peeling, etc. You also dont want to spend all your budget, only to find out in a year you need another ten grand for a new furnace !

3) Plumbing and Electric ! Are these up to code ? If not, you need to take care of them now. Again, a burst pipe will ruin all the above mentioned items: countertops, floors, sheetrock,etc. I wont even mention the misery of a backed up sewer line.
Electric service that wont handle all the new appliances would also be a headache, not to mention a fire hazard. Do you want telephones in every room? What about cat 5 for your computers ?

4) Drainage. What happens to the water when it rains? Does it drain away from the house ? Or does it seep under your driveway, sidewalks, under the house, into the basement ? Undermining the foundation ?

Sorry to put a damper on your decorating ! But these things I mentioned can ruin many days if not taken care of now. Spend the time and money on the most important items first. You can always add the cosmetic items after you move in.

Having said all that, CostCo donates exclusively to Dem causes, and treats their workers well.
Good Luck !
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:17 PM
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18. Good points, 4 more.
All VERY correct things to be thinking of first.

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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:17 PM
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19. Thank you for the advice.
Yes, the roof does need help and will be re-done.
Mr. C.'s in charge of that.

The other three items I'll go over with him for sure.
Thanks!
:thumbsup:
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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:18 PM
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20. years ago I did this with my ex
He was really bold and would ask about damaged stuff. We got a $200 service box for like $10 because a corner was bent. We got a nice barroom sink for free because we took a stack of stuck-together ones and pried one out, undamaged.

Their might be a building goods recycler in your area where you can buy stuff you need that's cooler than anything you could find right now for less $$$

We recycled as much as we could.

Have FUN!
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Frogtutor Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:35 PM
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21. A few suggestions;
Edited on Wed Dec-22-04 12:45 PM by Frogtutor
Our first house was a fixer-upper, and our current house we bought new. You might notice I have a tendency to gage everything in terms of durability and ease of cleaning; I can't help it! I have a messy husband and son, and I need all the breaks I can get. These are a few things I've learned from both houses.

If you're going to be re-sheet-rocking, and/or trimming windows, wait until after this is done for measuring for, and buying window treatments. The dimensions can change quite a bit.

I absolutely despise mini-blinds because they were always so difficult for me to keep clean. I got cellular shades for my "new" house which are easier to take care of. Several people I know have gotten the plantation wood blinds. While the slats are wider than mini-blinds, I don't know if they're any easier to clean.

Don't scrimp on paint; get really good quality, and I suggest (because I have a kid) getting satin finish, or at least eggshell, for walls. It's very washable and durable.

I really don't know anything about earth friendly materials, but I LOVE my new "wood" laminate floors. I will never have carpet again (well, I still do in the bedrooms until I can afford something else!). Again, with kids, pets, allergies, etc., carpet is a nightmare. The laminate floor looks gorgeous, and is SO EASY to care for.

For kitchen and bathrooms, ceramic tile is ideal, if you can afford it. But, it's also very unforgiving (don't expect anything to survive a fall), and cold. If you go with linoleum, get good quality that won't nick or gouge easily.

Make sure you get a deep kitchen sink, and a tall faucet. I don't know about anyone else, but I like to be able to stack dishes in the sink, and still be able to fill the coffee pot above them!

You can never have too many drawers and cabinets in the kitchen or bathrooms.

Refurbishing a home can be very rewarding! Have fun, and good luck!
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 01:32 PM
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22. Hey, are you going to have fun!
One serious question, straight up. How long are you planning on staying in this house? Is this the house that you're going to be in for the rest of your life, or is this a starter house that you're going to graduate from in five to ten years?

The reason I ask is this. If its a starter house, then everything you do has to have an eye towards resale, which means you have to "standardize" things in order for the house to be appealing to potential future buyers.

My wife and I are on our second house, and it is the house where we're staying, til death do us etc. Thus we can be a little eccentric. For instance, my wife and I are a bit on the tall side(I'm 6'5, she's 5'10). Normal size counter tops are really too low, but in our old house, we lived with it because we knew we were selling within ten years. This new house is getting countertops that are six inches higher for our comfort.

A few other things:

Before you start on decorative things, make sure that the basics of your house are solid. And that means starting with the foundation. Check it out, or have it checked for cracks, sinking etc etc. It doesn't do you a lot of good to remodel the house, make it all pretty, and then have cracks start appearing on the walls due to the foundation shifting.

Check your local codes for electric and plumbing, and make sure your house meets those codes. In fact, having somebody knowledgable about plumbing and electric check those two systems over is always a good idea. Otherwise you'll get your house all pretty and nice, and then have to rip out a whole wall in order to replace wiring or plumbing. If this is an older house, with either a fuse box or small capacity breaker box, replace it. With all of today's modern gadgetry, the electrical systems of older homes simply can't take the load safely.

When you're remodeling, always think energy efficiency. Replace those old single pane windows with new double panes. Insulate, Insulate, Insulate. You can even put an insulating blanket around your hot water heater, and it will save you more energy and money than you think. If you're in this house for the long run, and have the location for it, think about putting a couple of kilowatts worth of solar panels on the roof. The investment you make now will pay off in the long run, like fifteen to twenty years. Invest in a programable thermostat, so that you won't waste energy when you need to. In fact, with Peak Oil coming down the road, you might want to invest in a wood stove for heating. Check with your insurance company before installing one. Indoor wood stoves really jack your rates up as opposed to outdoor ones.

What kind of floors do you have? Carpet, linoleum, tile, wood, what? If you have old wood floors, and don't like the way they look, you can always sand them and stain them yourself so that they look nice. My wife and I are doing this with our floors in the upstairs(older) part of the house. Nice pinewood floors that looked like hell from years of neglect, but they come back looking great after sanding, staining, and putting on polyurethane finish. It is a long process to do, but well worth it once it is done.

Get your husband involved in this, don't let him do just the "man" stuff, get him into the stores with you picking out colors and such. Nothing can kill a house like having somebody dissatisfied with the treatment of it. You may think that burgundy is just fine, but he may find it horrible. Just think of the problems that would cause if you did the dining room in burgundy. So get his lazy ass out there and help choose stuff, its his house too!

Don't scrimp! That is a lesson I learned from my first house. I'm not talking about getting gold faucets or what have you, but make sure that your fixtures, fittings, both plumbing and electrical are of high quality. I learned this lesson the hard way with my kitchen sink faucet in the first house. It was leaking something ferocious when I first moved in, so I went and picked up a twenty dollar, plastic gutted faucet at the hardware store and put it in. It was leaking within a year. I went right back out and repeated the performance, and yes, within a year, that faucet was leaking(yes, I'm a slow learner sometimes). Well, after two years of that nonsense, I went out to Lowes and dropped a hundred dollars down on a Prices Pfister faucet with brass guts, and that self same faucet is still working fine. Going with short term savings will generally cost you more in the long run when you're dealing with a house.

And as far as paying the house off, here's a little secret. I'm assuming that you got the standard thirty year mortage, fixed rate. If so, here's a little secret to pay that mortage off in twenty years. Pay an extra ten percent of the required payment every month towards your principle. For example, if your house payment is $1000.00 per month, pay any extra hundred(or more, if you can afford it) every month on the principle. Most mortages are structured so that the initial ten years of payments are going towards the interest owed, not the principle. If you start cutting down the principle, the time that you have to pay will shorten, and the amount you have to pay will go down.

Also, escrow accounts are your friend. Escrow your home insurance and property tax. That way, you're paying a little each month rather than having to scramble at the end of the year to come up with money.

Good luck to you both, and have fun. Remember that fixer uppers are quite fun to work on and play with, and ultimately satisfying in the end, they can also get on your last nerve too. Take this into consideration when you're becoming frustrated at the leaking plumbing, and don't take it out on your hubby, or vice versa. If things are getting to the point where there is that much acrimony about the project, then you folks need to take a break for awhile. Remodeling and fixer uppers are long term projects, so don't be frustrated if you're still working on it a year or two or more from now.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 09:17 PM
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23. Wow! Thanks for all the good advice.
We are not sure right now how long we plan on living there.

So for now, we're kind of playing it down the middle as far as "standardizing" things. Nothing too out there, but we're not sticking with just white walls and no color either.

In fact, I AM thinking of doing a burgundy color in the dining area!!
But I am definitely going to clear it with him first.
:-)

Thanks again. I'll be printing this thread and going over all the issues you've raised.
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48pan Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 09:26 PM
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24. Sherwin-Williams Dover White is Your Friend! n/t
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 09:31 PM
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25. Are you on Freecycle yet?
I see lots of home improvement stuff being given away on my local Frecycle board.
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