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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:11 PM
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Forrest comes out...
I'm a Freeper!

Fooled ya!! Suckas! Now I kin stopp yusing thet speel chick unce and for awl!




No, I'm not. I'd have to kill myself, if I were. And, as a matter of fact, I strongly suggest that any Freepers who read this do exactly that, right now. Jesus wants you too. SO does Chuck Heston. This public service announcement brought to you by...............................ForrestGump (I'm going for the whole "Denny Crane" thing, but I'm not sure I've captured Shatner's gravitas).



Here's what's really on my mind:

I might leave the country. I did after the 2000 coup, actually, though it was coincidence and not the follow through to an Alec-Baldwin-like threat to leave. Maybe it's time to do it again.

The fact is that I am embroiled in an increasingly messy divorce, out of money, out of work, and tired of it all. This seizure of the government -- re-seizure, I guess -- is the final straw. I wouldn't blame anyone who wants to leave at this point. I always believed that, in America, anything is possible. I still believe that. But being now basically penniless in a boorish, increasingly hateful and undeniably ignorant nation makes me wonder why I should bother going for the brass ring again, at least here. There are other countries, and many have a higher standard of living than the US -- and a more refreshing political atmosphere -- even if they still have their problems and even if they don't offer the unlimited potential that the US does.

So maybe the US got what it deserved...again. Half the US, anyway. And, just like in primary school (about the age at which mental development seems to have stopped in too many Americans), the whole class has to suffer because some portion of it consists of idiots. But I'm thinking that maybe I deserve more. I know that a lot of people are in circumstances far more dire than mine, but mine have been bad enough for long enough and they are my circumstances. I have just the one life to live, unless the Buddhists are right, so why not make it a superlative one? I was off to a good start until the proverbial hit the rotating blades in my private life. Sure, I could stay here and deal with the six-figure debt that my wife saddled me with, fight her in court, sell my few remaining possessions so that all she'd get out of me is "scorched earth," declare bankruptcy to get the collections people and their court threats off my back, and undoubtedly thrive in some kind of great job, even if outside my career track thus far...but, gee, that sounds like hard work, and I'm very, very, very tired.

I have an out. My get-out-of-jail-free card. It's not a magic bullet, but I can escape the reality of Amerika in the early 21st Century. I mean, not that it won't still be there, as the proverbial 800-pound gorilla that affects everyone on the planet, but -- as diverse as the US is and as great as some of its regions are as places to live -- I'm finding myself thinking more and more that there may be better places for me.

I have been pretty private with my personal details here, mainly because a combination of any of a few of them makes me pretty easy to identify, but let me just say that my original nationality is that of a nation very often cited by DUers as the place to which they'd want to escape, in a perfect world. I can work in, and even easily earn citizenship in, another of those hallowed refuge states. Really, I'm set. No visas needed. Still, I hate to go. I chose this country. I'm peeved beyond belief that it's changed into some ugly shadow of what it once was, or what I thought it was (after all, the US has been doing Many Bad Things worldwide since long before I was even born).

I love it here. Like I said, I chose this country...makes me incensed when freeper types dismiss my opinion because I wasn't born here, but was naturalized. Hey, they were just born here -- an accident of birth that they had no control over -- whereas I actively chose to move here as an adult. Maybe that's one reason why I feel so outraged by American ignorance (no matter who's in power -- this has been a systemic, chronic problem) and the squandering of this country's potential to be truly the Greatest Nation on Earth, and not just in the jingoistic knee-jerk "USA! USA! USA!" sense that so repulses me. I know I'm hardly alone in that, and DU is proof that so many native-born Americans feel the same way, but I'm no less an American than any other citizen, both in the eyes of the law (hey, soon I might even be eligible for President, after Arnie's finished his two terms) and in my own eyes.

More than that, though, I'm a citizen of the world. We all are, and we all can be, and failing to recognize that is perhaps the most critical failing of the collective population of these disUnited States. I'm a scientist, by training (shoot, maybe that's why I'm out of work!), but anyone who watched The Lion King knows that everything is connected -- that's true for nature and it's true for our human social constructs, too. Willfully ignoring that fact is becoming the American Way, more and more, and America has already paid dearly for it. And will pay far more dearly for it yet, at this rate. The answer, in 2001, to "why do they hate us?" was obvious...it should never have been needed to be asked and, frankly, anyone who believed the Bush/media lie that it was "because of our freedom" was an idiot.

Just thinking, at this stage, anyway. If I stay, I have the same battle that all DUers will be engaged in and I'll have my personal battles, as well. But I'd be stupid if I didn't start exploring possibilities as I already have. It's not everybody's good fortune to have an out, a way to escape the shattered remnants of a life and the chance to start over again. And, at this point, I really don't care about the morality of skipping out on the financial stuff or anything else -- if I needed to rationalize it, it's all attributable directly to my wife's behavior and I feel no responsibility for it. I'm a victim right now, and I'm not the sort of person who particularly enjoys that role. So take my fate into my own hands and repair the mess that's been wrought here or take my fate into my own hands and remove myself from an arena not of my choosing or making...recent political events make the latter sound a lot more attractive and sustainable. I hate the people in power now. I've always hated bullies. I can forsee the worst of our extrapolations playing out as predicted, and I'm not sure I want to stick around for the game's end.

I've been ready to give up on the American public since the whole Lewinsky blow-up (no, I didn't mean that as a pun), and the selection of Bush II pushed me closer. Even though Kerry may have won if the neocons hadn't cheated again, I think this might do it. How many times do you allow yourself to be kicked in the stomach?

Finally, here I feel I must send out a hearty "F*** YOU" to those who slam DUers who're considering going overseas. Even the more moderate critics, who settle for calling them "cowards," are out of line. Perhaps it's another result of my having an international background and working in more than one other country already, but I refer you back to that "Citizen of the World" bit. To me, the whole concept of nationality seems kind of ludicrous, and more and more so in this age of unprecedented communication, when the borders that really matter are so thoroughly permeable. Don't get me wrong, I'm not some kind of international anarchist, but I just don't see why we need to be so inordinately hung up over nationality. Sure, even with the McDonaldization of the world, our species varies markedly from place to place in culture -- perhaps none more than along religious lines, though -- but to me the concept of moving from country to country is not that huge a deal. I don't mean that logistically, but conceptually. I'd suspect that my European friends feel that even more strongly, even before the development of the EU.

Anyway, if a DUer feels like they have to leave the US, more power to them. And, again, a hearty "F*** YOU" to anyone who labels them coward or worse. Take it from me, it takes a lot to move countries. I imagine I'd get a bit of a free pass from the people here who deserve a hearty "F*** YOU" in this respect because, after all, I'm originally a fur'ner and you could look at it as just me going home (or nearer to home), but the decision's not one to be taken lightly by anyone. And when I say that it takes a lot to leave your home country, I also mean that in terms of logistics...it's not for wusses, no matter what the brigade deserving of a hearty "F*** YOU" might think.

For me, I'm going to see how it plays out. My personal issues, I mean. Forgot to mention that it's also highly possible that I might have strife from the vindictive folks at the IRS, too, again courtesy of my wife. And, lest anyone think that I'm using her as a scapegoat and am terminally incapable of accepting responsibility for my own failings, a hearty "F*** YOU"...my present circumstances are 100% the result of her behavior, my primary failing being that I failed to walk on her a decade ago or even that I met and married her in the first place. Not that this makes much difference, when it comes down to the present situation.

If I stay, I'll still have the same issues facing many DUers...do I want to live in a country like this? If I stay, I may still go. Of course, if I skip out on the whole financial-divorce thing I'll probably be in contempt of court and have to stay away permanently, so it's hardly a decision to be made lightly...there's so much I'd miss about the United States. Still, I have to say that I'm lucky in that I've got a place to go and I can go there with no immigration hassles. I wish that the same were true for everyone here.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:15 PM
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1. If you end up my way - drop me a line
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:57 PM
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21. Eh?
Thanks, HEyHEY...you never know, though what I do know is that you live in an awfully nice part of the world. Not paradise, but a few steps up from this country, in so many ways. If I do leave, and travel on my old passport, I'll even be welcome in other countries...it'd be nice to be a card-carrying member of a free country again.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:16 PM
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2. Seriously - a bunch of us should get together
Leave the US, choose a city and buy a house together. Work communally, pool our efforts.

Thinking about Auckland or Vancouver by any chance?
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:17 PM
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3. If you hit Van-city let me know!
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Shadder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:26 PM
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9. Sounds great to me.
I'm interested.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:29 PM
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11. Well it all depeds on if we make the points or not
Apply and see what happens!
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:58 PM
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22. Not
a bad idea! Maybe we'll give rise to a new batch of Hemigways, Fitzgeralds, Bakers, etc. Or, at least, some gnarly naked twister parties with those famously promiscuous liberals. Sort of a consolation prize for those of us who missed the '60s and weren't of age for the height of discomania.

Auckland, Vancouver...hey, if a person's got portable skills that another country can use, and is not overly encumbered here (for better or for worse), it's still possible to live just about anywhere. At least for a few years at a time.
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Wat_Tyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:18 PM
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4. You're a Kiwi?
:o :D
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:59 PM
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23. A flightless bird?
A hairy fruit? (oh, sure, I've been called worse)

Not telling, either way. :-D
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:18 PM
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5. Man ..you're always so long on words and I am always so short on them
Knowing who you are and what you do..I support you in persuing your dreams..and you can do that anywhere. The selfish side of me want to see you again and hang out...because you are so fucking cool..but you've been through hell and back and I can't say I blame you.

In the words of SwingOut Sister...BREAK OUT!

I love you, pal. :hug:
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:59 PM
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24. Thanks, NSMA,
beyond all possible words of thanks. Either way, I think that all of us need to break out in some way, whatever that way is, now more than ever. Hopefully not with hives, of course.

If I go -- still a fairly hefty 'if,' because I'd rather stay for a lot of reasons -- you won't get a chance to miss me, or me you, because you and Misunderestimator are coming with me to found our clothing-optional commune on an isolated stretch of coastline that features bitchin' surf. I hear that Dildo is pleasant this time of year...

I love you too, little buddy. :hug:

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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:19 PM
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6. I've got an out, too.
But I really, really don't want to use it. I love this country too much for that. But, if push comes to shove, it's something I am willing to explore.
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short bus president Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:25 PM
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8. Well,
You're just willing to explore all sorts of new things these days, aren't you? You scavery little man-beast, you!

:P

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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:27 PM
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10. Yeah, and I'm Greek, too...
...you know what they say about Greeks...

:P
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short bus president Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:34 PM
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13. Er...
You smell like olives?

:P

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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:00 PM
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25. You've got an outie?
I've got an innie, but you don't hear me bragging about it. :P

Really, I'm happy that you've got it if you need or want it. I hope it doesn't come to the point at which it's imperative for people like you and I to leave the country solely because of the political situation (my 'other stuff' already had me reserving that as a last-ditch option). If nothing else, you can at least fly the other flag when you go overseas, because I have a feeling that we're soon going to be far less popular over there (anywhere) than even the crudest battalion of black-socks-with-white-shoes Ugly Americans could ever hope to make us.

I really do wish that everyone here had a similar backup available. Nobody should have to stay here unless they're totally adamant that they will not flee their home country and are determined to fight the neocon-controlled system no matter the cost. The realities are that many just can't pick up and leave, but many could if they had the option. We don't know what it might come down to, but the most dire predictions are not very far-fetched, which is the scariest part of it all.

If I was a national of a country where polygamy is allowed, I'd offer to marry everyone on DU. I'd need a big bed, though. And the lubricant costs would be staggering...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:23 PM
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7. Sorry to hear about your troubles, FG.
Thanks for the hearty "F*** YOU"s. Love that. :)

And thanks for sharing. Whatever you end up doing, I hope you can somehow keep in touch.

:hug:
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:01 PM
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26. Thanks, Ms queen
Leaving was just something I wanted to throw out here because so many are today talking about getting out of the US today. And so many of their critics were deserving of that hearty rejoinder. Maybe most who say that want out will change their minds as time goes by, or as harsh reality sets in, but I'm sure that some will leave their native land before these four years are over. Talk about signs that the Great Experiment is over. The USA is not a place that is supposed to produce refugees.

If I do actually go, which is going to result more from apolitical pressures, I will still be a DUer...at least 'til I get banned for forgetting to put asterisks in my hearty "f*** you" responses. Some of DU's hardest hitters are fur'ners, and they (along with American DUers) recognize the reality that so many freeper types dismiss: what happens and matters to the US happens and matters to the world; what the world thinks of the US does matter, too. The US may be the most powerful nation on Earth, but it could be outdone (at least economically) by a coalition of former allies who've had enough of the neocon plan for world domination.

By the way, did you happen to see my response to NSMA? You know, the one about the clothing-optional commune? ;-)

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:12 PM
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34. Dude, you know I'm SO there
I always say it takes all kinds... both the leavers and the stayers. Everyone plays their part.

Glad to see ya joking. :D
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:31 PM
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35. Leavers and stayers? I think I'm a 'layer' right now.
In my dreams, anyway. :D
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:30 PM
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12. We love ya, FG! Stay if you can, go if you have to
You know you're always welcome at DU.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:01 PM
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27. Thank you!
I love y'all, too! That's true regardless of whether I return to my undisclosed location, or similar.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:35 PM
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14. Go for it man
I am sorry to hear that your personal crap is a little heavy right now. I honestly hope it all works out good for you and whatever you end up doing is the right way to go.
I guess I might lose my E buddy here, but I'll carry on..lol.
Keep TCB, and hope to see you around.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:02 PM
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28. Thanks, dude...
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 08:02 PM by ForrestGump
I'm feeling lately pretty much like September, 1974, if you know what I mean. Hoping not to get to August 16 three years later. If I go on my world tour, I'll be severely peeved that my access to Graceland is cut off, I can tell you. Good enough reason not to go, actually.

Yes, TCB, my fellow GLF* adherent...and TCJ while you're at it.



* = Graceland Liberation Front
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:38 PM
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15. Thank you FG for the F*** YOUs... it's what I think everytime I see that
kind of sanctimonious reaction. The UUUnited States is NOT the only place on earth... and right now, it is by far not the most desireable place on earth. There are plenty of countries that are so far more progressive than ours, that America has become a joke. After this election, it's apparent that EVERY election from here on out will be nearly impossible to win. Four more years of Bush means four more years of indoctrinating our children to this way of life, to hatred of minorities, to lack of compassion for the poor, to blindly following a misinterpreted religion to persecute others. I want no part of it.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:05 PM
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29. You're right.
So many vociferous neocons seem to think that the USA (USA! USA!) is not only the Greatest Place On Earth (TM) but is the only place on Earth. Little wonder, I guess, when so many don;t even know the layout of their own country, let alone that other nations exist beyond those borders. And it's not like you have to travel overseas to appreciate that we are not alone; it's also possible to travel extensively overseas and never shake the firm ethnocentrism that informs such insular, ignorant attitudes. Can't force people to see what they don't want to see. Some of our DUers included, of course, because we are just as human as the next person (well, more so than Freepers, but I digress... ).

Yes, there are a lot of nice places to live out there. Places that are more free, too, in a meaningful sense -- even before Ashcroft, but certainly after him. And that is a really good point about children (adults, too) having four more years of media indoctrination...it's exactly the same as the Klan parents or other bigots who raise their little munchkins to be virulent racists or the like. Sick.

Let me just clarify one point here: when I say "clothing-optional commune," I mean that you should still feel free to pack whatever lacy or leathery, or latex-y (or studded, for that matter) underthings that you might desire... :-)
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 05:05 PM
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16. This country needs more people like you.
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 05:24 PM by SarahBelle
We need the things you can teach. We need your spirit. We need your intelligence. We need the love you truly have for this country as someone who came because, as you say, you wanted to be here. (Trying not to reveal to much here about your personal Gumpliless and hopefully, it worked.)

Ultimately, this comes down to what you have to do in your own life and what you truly feel as right under the circumstances, but take a breath. Take a moment. Think about what it could mean for you long-term, Not because of anything else, but for you. The mess can be worked through. Not easily, but it can and she's gone now. It's almost over with her. There's nothing more (I hope) that she can do to mess up your life any further. This is your life and I know things aren't happening the way you'd like (you know I know the feeling), but it will happen and a contempt of court situation does take away many possible career options long term. You know that as well I do. I understand though and I understand what could drive you to that point. It's been a Hell of a day, a Hell of a year, and even a worse Hell of the past 4 years. :(

You are one of the most brilliant and truly kind people I have ever had the privilege to know. I mean that from the bottom of my heart. No matter what.

:loveya:
a lot

edit:
Because unlike so many people here, I've held it together today until now, but this makes me so fucking sad. So mad. What's wrong with this stupid country? Why do the good people have to suffer? People who've worked and struggled and done everything they were supposed to do while stupid, shallow, greedy, selfish fools seems to have everything they want. It's just not fair. Not fair.
:cry:
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:06 PM
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30. Shoot...I wish one'd use ME
I want to stay here for entirely 'selfish' reasons -- there's still more good about the US than bad, at least as a land (though I'll readily admit to hating today's America, the political entity) -- but I'd decry the loss of any progressive mind, too. Any mind, for that matter. But I wouldn't blame them for wanting a better life. No place is perfect, but the US has moved rapidly to far, far beyond Highly Imperfect. I shudder to think how it'll be by 2008.

For me, I'm with you...I'm going to see how it all goes in the next little while, because there are indications that rapid improvement in my personal life may be on its way. I readily admit that that's what it's primarily about for me, and that the horror inflicted on the USA and the world last night is just a really big straw that'd do in just about any camel's back. My way out isn't going anywhere....if it does, then, well, we're all f***ed. Pretty torn, because even if I can sort out my personal junk I think it sounds rather refreshing to leave the USA for at least a while -- I mean, I can 100% understand a US citizen walking away from it all now.

You've got it right: stupid country. Only a stupid populace would vote for Bush. And here I include those who're so rabid in their religiosity or bigotry that they'd vote in a gang of international criminals solely because they don't like gay people or whatever. Ignorance is not synonymous with stupidity, but I think that a very large chunk of the US public is guilty of both. And they'll continue to buy what the media shovels even if the evil goals of the Bush gang are being attained in broad daylight. That's not something that's going to change. It may never change. No wonder so many people have given up and just want to leave...

I've got a special hearty "F*** YOU" laying around here somewhere for anyone who voted for Bush. Because now it's apparent that the Republican Party has been successfully hijacked by the neocons, so there are now no 'innocent' Republicans. I have no idea what the few real, old-fashioned American conservatives will go, but their Grand Old Party has gone..it's grown a swastika.

Thanks, Sarah. I've got a big :hug: for you that has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that you're far more than welcome in my expat, clothing-optional commune. :D
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 05:28 PM
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17. FG, I wish I could PM you...
I really want to talk to you about your post. I want to share some personal stuff about what I have been through and what is coming my way, too.

As soon as PM is back up, I will send you a message.

jc
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 05:30 PM
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18. You can PM him now.
Just find his profile.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 05:41 PM
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19. DAMMIT! You are kidding! All of the people I have wanted...
to PM over the past 24 hours, all I would have had to do was look up their profile?

I feel so stupid! :grr:
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 05:42 PM
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20. It's okay.
It's been a hard day for everyone. :hug:
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:06 PM
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32. Go ahead...make my day!
:hug:

It's been too long since I've caught up with you. :-(

I look forward to your PM and I hope that this Day of Political Infamy isn't getting on top of you...well, as little as possible, anyway. Just think overseas beachfront commune. Clothing-optional. We'll even import hummingbirds for you... :-)
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:06 PM
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31. GD2004 had an article... anyone wanting 'in' to Canada has to wait.
I think they want us to stay here and deal with the garbage we created.
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Philostopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:11 PM
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33. Good luck -- I'm with you, by the way.
Not to put too fine a point on it, it's cruel to tell people who are vulnerable that they're cowards if they want to get out. I don't understand what kind of lack of empathy it takes to tell somebody that. For ourselves, we're discussing a possible move to a 'blue state' if the right opportunity presents itself. Hell, we may not have a choice -- the Mr.'s employer is one of those companies that offers partner benefits that's about to be told, in our state, that it can't. For all we know, in the next couple of years they may decide that isn't the kind of state they want to do business in, pack up the plantation and move all the jobs they have here to Chicago or Albany. Which would be okay with us -- if they do, I hope they offer him an oportunity to move with them. I don't like snow, but Albany's an altogether more friendly climate than our state is now. It got a hell of a lot colder here overnight, and not just climatically.

Again, good luck. And good luck to anybody who feels compelled to make that jump who was born here. I can't blame any of you.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:39 PM
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36. I don't blame you at all for at least considering moving to a 'blue' state
I see the logic in staying to fight, to perhaps tip that state's spectrum over to the blue side of things, just as I see the logic in staying in the US to fight. But it's easy to tell someone that they should remain in what may be a hostile environment and a lot harder to actually put up with that oppressive atmosphere once you're there. Why should you have to live in such a place? That's not what America's supposed to be about, and there's enough diversity about that there're plenty of places to live where the prevailing thought is progressive.

But, if the Bushg régime fulfills its potential, it may soon not matter where you go. For sure, if I were anyone other than a white, straight male, I'd possibly already be making visa arrangements. I don't even think that kind of thinking qualifies as paranoid in today's Amerika.

Good luck to you both, too. I hope that you can soon follow whatever course of action is for your highest good. And you NEVER know where opportunities, anticipated or totally unexpected, may come from...
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