*snicker* georgewbush.com is spamming

[Hawkeye-X]

I got this off spam-l where I'm a member.. Name has been munged to protect privacy.

Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:03:01 +1000
From: <snip>
Subject: Re: georgewbush.com

----- Original Message -----
From: <snip>

To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:23 AM
Subject: SPAM: georgewbush.com


> georgewbush.com appears to not perform the crucial confirmation step for
> verifying that sign-ups for their mailing list are genuinely from people
> who want to help re-elect Bush. Therefore, they are not performing
> the necessary due diligence to ensure that they are not sending spam -
> this is obvious when you consider that when I tested them, I gave my
> postal address as "only fuckwits want to re-elect monkey-boy", and have
> since received three mails from them.
>
> Their HELO is at least truthful, so you might like to block based on
> the RE georgewbush\.com$ or alternatively, block 65.172.162.0/23, which
> is where they are sending their mail from.
>
> Their bandwidth provider is smartechcorp.net.
>

So....

You signed up on their website, and are now complaining because they didnt
send a confirmation email before adding you to the mailing list.

This is NOT spam because you requested it.

At this point, they are guilty of running an unconfirmed list, but your
inclusion in their mailing list is not unconfirmed, you have confirmed your
signing up here in this forum.

You were not spammed.

*sigh*

I wonder in this case, who is abusing whom.....

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 02:34:13 -0500
From: <snip>
Subject: Re: georgewbush.com

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:03:01 +1000, <snip> wrote:
>
> You signed up on their website, and are now complaining because they didnt
> send a confirmation email before adding you to the mailing list.
>
> This is NOT spam because you requested it.

hmm, I can't see where he claims it is spam.

> At this point, they are guilty of running an unconfirmed list

I figured that was the point of the posts, warning people here about
unconfirmed lists being run by these campaigns so we can be aware that
fraudulent signups may occur (which would be spam).

(Of course I never expected anything else from the political
campaigns, after all these are the people who gave us You CAN-SPAM.)

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:46:39 +1000
From: <snip>
Subject: Re: georgewbush.com

On 1 Sep 2004 at 2:34, <snip> wrote:

> (Of course I never expected anything else from the political
> campaigns, after all these are the people who gave us You
> CAN-SPAM.)
>

The gridlockers in Congress gave us you-CAN-SPAM not snippy.

>:->
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 04:14:48 -0400
From: <snip>
Subject: Re: georgewbush.com

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, <snip> wrote:

> At this point, they are guilty of running an unconfirmed list,

Which makes them candidates for the MAPS NML (does that still exist?)
and a few other lists out there.

> but your
> inclusion in their mailing list is not unconfirmed, you have confirmed your
> signing up here in this forum.
>
> You were not spammed.

What if someone signs up [email protected] or [email protected] ?

Which on a political list WILL happen and sooner rather than later.

Unconfirmed list spam doesn't account for _much_ of my spamload AT THE
MOMENT, but it has done in the past (I had to disable one subdomain
entirely thanks to the PAML listbombs of the early 90s.)

The non-confirmed list messages which get do through are especially
annoying because they have to be manually checked and usually need more
eyeballing to make sure it's not something I might have signed up for
and forgotten.

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:27:42 +1000
From: <snip>
Subject: Re: georgewbush.com

> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, <snip> wrote:
>
> > At this point, they are guilty of running an unconfirmed list,
>
> Which makes them candidates for the MAPS NML (does that still exist?)
> and a few other lists out there.
>

Fine, if there are some lists out there for unconfirmed lists then they need
to be on them too.

> > but your
> > inclusion in their mailing list is not unconfirmed, you have confirmed
your
> > signing up here in this forum.
> >
> > You were not spammed.
>
> What if someone signs up [email protected] or [email protected] ?
>
> Which on a political list WILL happen and sooner rather than later.
>
> Unconfirmed list spam doesn't account for _much_ of my spamload AT THE
> MOMENT, but it has done in the past (I had to disable one subdomain
> entirely thanks to the PAML listbombs of the early 90s.)
>
> The non-confirmed list messages which get do through are especially
> annoying because they have to be manually checked and usually need more
> eyeballing to make sure it's not something I might have signed up for
> and forgotten.
>
>

Yes, True, but the original poster signed up his own addresses on the list
and then yelled "spam" when there was no confirmation.
That is what I was objecting to.

What he (the original poster) should have yelled is "unconfirmed list" _not_
"spam", after all, he gave his consent, and admitted so.
The fact that the list is unconfirmed means nothing when you subscribe your
own email addresses to it.

Unconfirmed lists are a serious problem when an innocent 3rd party gets his
address added to the list either accidentally or maliciously.