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Gryffindor_Bookworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 12:49 AM
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An update on my niece (liberal in training) -- LONG
I posted this a few weeks ago when I was keeping her for a week.

I'm babysitting my 8 year old niece for the week. Her school will hold a straw poll the first week of classes (next week!) and continue studying the election through November. We were talking about it tonight.

(I should mention that her father (my brother) is a staunch Republican (because he's rich, not on any social issue or religious grounds that I can tell) and her mother is a devout Catholic who votes GOP on the abortion-and-gays issues but is quite reasonable on most other issues (single payer health care, etc. And to her credit, she puts her money where her mouth is. They're foster parents and are talking about adopting, and they've given more than one unwed mother money for prenatal care and such).

Needless to say, I am very cautious about trying to enlighten her. I go too far, and I may never get another chance. Hence the references to "President Bush" instead of his true title, Unelected Emperor Bunnypants.)

Here's a brief snippet from our conversation:

Niece (N): Who're you voting for, Aunt Dawn?

Me: Senator Kerry.

N: Why? (Looking puzzled.)

Me: I think President Bush has done a bad job. If someone does a bad job and really hurts people, they should get fired, right? Isn't that how your dad runs his business?

N: Yes.

Me: Well, if you try to run the country like a business, that's how you decide. If President Bush did a good job, we should vote to let him stay. But he did a bad job, so I'm voting to fire him and hire a new guy.

N: Daddy said that Kerry wants homosexual marriage. That's a sin.

Me: Baby, I don't know what's a sin and what isn't. That's up to your priest and the Pope and your mom, to a certain extent. But you know how your family doesn't eat meat on Fridays, but a lot of other Catholic families do?

N: Yes.

Me: Well, do you think it should be a law that NO Catholic family is ALLOWED to eat meat on Friday?

N: No! That's stupid.

Me: Well, I feel that way about gay marriage. It might be a sin, in some people's eyes, but there shouldn't be a law about it to say no one is allowed to do it. If you think it would be a sin for you to marry a girl, then you shouldn't marry a girl. But your belief about what's wrong shouldn't make the laws for everyone else. Does that make sense?

N: Eyes lit up -- light bulb went on -- no way to explain it other than that -- she GOT IT.

Slowly but surely, my DU friends. Slowly but surely, we will reach the children. And, not to be cliched, but they are the future. We will get this country back.



UPDATE:
Got an e-mail from her tonight. Kerry won the class straw poll (3rd grade in a very conservative parochial school) by the count of 14 to 5. :D :D :D :D :D

My brother informed me, laughing, yesterday that my sister in law is very pissed off at me. Not about the vote -- about something else altogether. See, I occasionally use the F word. I did not allow her to use it, though (she tried once) and when she asked me why I could say it and she couldn't, I said, "Baby, are you allowed to drive a car? No. That is something that is not okay for kids but is okay for grownups. So is saying Fuck. When you're old enough to drive, you're old enough to say fuck."

She got it. No big deal.

Evidently, for the last week or so, my sister-in-law has been interrogating her about the things we said and did. The F word story came out. My sister-in-law tried very hard to c onvince her that it's a terrible sin. She said, "Why? Mommy, it's just a word. Aunt Dawn is cool. I love her."

Aaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwww.

My brother found the whole thing funny and ended the conversation by saying that he loves me (which is something he has said only about ten times in our whole lives.) :)

I am finding him to be more and more open-minded, the older he gets. I may try working on him about not voting for Bunnypants. Even if I just get him to stay home, it's a victory. :D

Thanks for listening, anyone who got this far.....
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 12:52 AM
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1. You have a great niece!
Thanks for the story - it made my evening!

Pcat
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Gryffindor_Bookworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 01:02 AM
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8. Indeed I do!
I know I shouldn't play favorites, but I love her more than my nephews. I try not to show it, though (I spend the same dollar amount for all their birthdays, Christmases, etc., and show up at all events I possibly can in each of their lives.)

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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 01:11 AM
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11. I know that feeling...
My niece is my goddessdaughter and my heir - if anything happens to me or us, she gets everything we have. My nephew is a neat boy, but he's got his grandparents and everyone else... being the boy and all... I have to really watch and make sure that my girl doesn't get more of my attention and time than her cousin (two sisters, each with a child.)

It will be harder the older they get - my nephew is 3; my niece is 5 months old (okay, she is totally spoiled and will continue to be.... )

Auntie Pcat is a bad auntie.... but that's what aunties are for....

Pcat
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Gryffindor_Bookworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 01:13 AM
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12. I have five brothers, and I love one of them more than the other four
put together.

Does that make me a bad person?

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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 12:55 AM
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2. I remember your original post...
I'm happy to hear that Kerry won in a 'landslide'. :bounce:
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Gryffindor_Bookworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 01:00 AM
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7. The best part of it is that all those kids don't have a DUing aunt.
I'd bet most of them got their vote from their parents! Their conservative, religious parents!

Bush* is TOAST!!! :D :bounce: :D :bounce: :D :bounce: :D :bounce: :D :bounce: :D :bounce:
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 12:55 AM
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3. Great story!
And a powerful good bit of pedagogy - sensible and logical, with no partisanship. I especially love the "If you think it would be a sin for you to marry a girl, then you shouldn't marry a girl. But your belief about what's wrong shouldn't make the laws for everyone else. Does that make sense?'

Aunt Dawn definitely IS cool!
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Gryffindor_Bookworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 12:59 AM
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4. Kids are way smarter than most adults think.
My niece is very confident and assertive. I hope she survives her adolescence without that changing.

Our family has a long-standing tradition of mother-daughter hormone wars. When my niece and sister-in-law have theirs, I'd love to still be close enough to her to offer her another place to live for awhile. I lived with an aunt and uncle for a year and a half in high school because I couldn't deal with my mom. My Grandmother says that she regularly sent my mother to "help out" her own parents for the same reason. LOL.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 01:00 AM
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6. Not to mention that's a perceptive 8 year old.
Wonderful read. Made my evening, in fact.
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Gryffindor_Bookworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 01:03 AM
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10. I'm glad!
Get it to the kids! That's the way to change the country forever! :D
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RazzleCat Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 12:59 AM
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5. Training a liberal
Gee, I got a 13 year old boy. Now I am liberal, but well the guy is total pro Bush. So I talk to him, pretty much the same way you do (only on a more adult level) and then the Move On Concerts were announced. Now I knew I just about had the kid leaning left, and I know that he loves to play his guitar, and I know he loves Pearl Jam. So got the tickets (and for REM also), now I am hoping that taking him to go see a band he loves, and hear what they have to say, and even more important, having him see all the political action going on outside the theater, and inside the theater will just turn him totally over. (P.S. been talking to his guitar teacher, sort of dropping bombs to him about Bush Sucks, left is good, the kid worships you, so teach him some good old CSN&Y and feel free to give the background to the songs, oh and Boy Dylan is good to.) So I am doing it the underhanded way, one concert, discussion, movie (he has seen all the M. Moore movies), and CD at a time.
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Gryffindor_Bookworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 01:03 AM
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9. Keep it up.
Since your child is male, you might expose him to some of the horrors of war (have him meet an amputee or something) and point out that Bush is prepared to draft him in just four short years.

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Gryffindor_Bookworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-04 01:35 AM
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13. A shameless, crass, shameless KICK.
:kick:



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