What happened to peace and love?

[johnnie]

I'm watching a video of CSN&Y and they are showing some old footage of the 60's. And even later film of them saying something. I remember music saying something and people saying something.
What happened to us "hippies?" What happened to people being able to say something thru music and it meaning something?
Things have changed, and it sucks. Too many people hate and not enough people care.

[DenverDem]

1. We hippies got the shit kicked out of us repeatedly.

It tends to make you cynical.

[johnnie]

2. So you gave up?

I just see that people have turned more violent, even the "liberals". I just wondered what happened.

[jdj]

4. Rapestock depressed the hell out of me personally.

It seems when there are not legitimate evils people make them up, it seems like a sociopathic need to have an opposition, and if the more powerful aren't playing that day, then pick on the less powerful and project your ills onto them, like women, gays, etc.

yes, we're gonna have to keep learning these lessons over and over again I'm afraid.

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[johnnie]

13. And I'm an asshole?

I'm just askin....My dad used to call me an asshole.

[DenverDem]

15. Your insinuation that I had "Given up" was assinine.

I stand by my assertion.

[NMDemDist2]

17. hubby is your age and growing his hair back out in protest

should be about half way down his back by November :bounce:

[DenverDem]

19. Sweet!

Unfortunately, my business clients might not understand, so I am having to stay undercover.

[jdj]

3. I think it went out with long hair on men.

Just kidding. (see my thread on this topic)

Part of it I think is having had that critical mass of middle class white kids in those numbers, they really DID have power, and they ran headlong in to the medium of television and were the first generation of children advertisers tried to appeal to instead of going through parents, so this compounded their feeling of power as well...

And the more dark part is the carnage of the vietnam war shown on tv every night. And they had NO illusions about who it was, it was them.

Plus the media is mega-tripping us, Springsteen has a quote I'll paraphrase, how the marketeers are looking for the next big thing, and when that's half-done they drop it and and grab the next big thing and the next and the next. Which is why Gen X has no Rolling Stones or Beatles, or any that get any play at all, it's all NEW! NEW! NEW! with no continuity or chapter 2, their is no time for insight or reflection and certainly no time to connect the dots.

We've been whited out.

[johnnie]

7. But we still exist

Has our voices gotten that low? Does the majority like the "NEW NEW NEW"? It was still strong in the 80's and it died on us. The new generation seems so jacked up on the now and they don't seem to think of what is going on tomorrow.
I guess we have become a relic of the yesterday and just the fact of saying something with a smile has turned in to saying something with a scream. that's what I see anyway.

[coloradodem2005]

11. God. That is what has been missing.

I thought we had a little in the 90's. The Dave Matthews Band. Rage Against the Machine. That is what I am talking about what happened towards the end of the 90's. As far as popular mainstream culture goes, we have gone the way that you are talking about. That is when it really went down hill.

[onebigbadwulf]

5. Peace and Love = Weakness and hatred for America

That's the way fascists have always spun it. It wasn't until 9-11 that it actually worked.

[Ruffhowse]

6. Those ideals still live on in the hearts of people like me. I haven't

given up on people, and I think there are more like me than most people would think. I'm not walking around in a tie dye shirt, flashing peace signs and saying "groovy brother", but I still have the ideals of that era and see them a lot in other people I hang around with. I would say the vast majority of Democrats can trace at least some of their beliefs to the spirit of those times, and that's a whole lot of people.

[name not needed]

8. It got replaced with shock and awe

[johnnie]

10. Hmmmmmm????

You are right I'm afraid. But can it be turned around?

[Mara Steele]

20. YOU are a SMART one, kiddo!!

One GREAT answer & sadly, true...

[miss_kitty]

9. i think peace and love left the scene and

took understanding with them

[HEyHEY]

14. The 80s happened

[Bongo Prophet]

16. Style is just the surface

There are always undercurrents of change agents.
We adapt and strive and pass on...

Never let the culture gatekeepers fool you with their divide and conquer technique.
Generation gap is one of their faves. Play one Gen against the next.
Sell out is another one.
East coast/west coast.
There are forces that act upon us like a cultural gravity. Many of them are man-made manipulations of "manufactured consent" used to prop up a non-totalitarian society. Manipulation is cheaper and more effficient than straoght out coercion.
Because you care, take care to keep that part of you nurtured.
And keep on keepin on, as we used to say.

Good luck, friend!:hi:

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

18. Look at my sig line

I feel the same way.

I got a middle finger salute today while out driving by someone with a bush sticker on their car (FIRST time that's happened and I live in Texas!) and I gave them the peace sign and yelled "REMEMBER WHAT THIS STANDS FOR?"

Sigh.

Did you see the Daily Show episide where the guy was reporting from the DNC and those two hippie looking guys said "we need peace, man, if we have peace all these other things get solved" and the "reporter" looked at him and said "you know you're KILLING the Democratic party, right?"

It was funny. But I agreed with the old hippies. Peace is STILL a good idea. And I can't imagine being against it.

Now I guess we're too cool for peace. Whatever.