Neighbors cat done stoled one of my baby bunnies!!!

[PatriotGames]

Grrr. I have been watching these baby rabbits grow up in my yard and the cat next door just killed one. I chased him down and got the to drop it, but it was too late for it. I buried it in my backyard.

The cat stole one from the last batch I was watching too.

Before the cat lovers jump on me, let me say that I think I qualify as a cat person myself. I own four of them Siki, Sasha, Kiwi, and Java.

I know the cat is just doing what cats do, but it is quite aggravating. Also, it always comes up to my back sliding glass door and antagonizes my cats, all of which are indoor cats.

[Catch22Dem]

1. They shouldn't let their cat run around like that

Irritates me when people do that.

[PatriotGames]

2. I agree. I think it just too dangerous for domestic cats out there.

[MuseRider]

3. Too dangerous for

baby bunnies too!

[burrowowl]

4. My brother had gotten

a pair of rabbits. Good thing the cats keep their population down. The pair ruined my father's roses and other plants and small tree even thought they were given bunny food. The pair finally went. I had a friend whose bunny went after it chewed one electrical wire too many.

[solinvictus]

5. #6 shot ......

will take care of that cat problem. If your neighbor won't keep it out of your yard, I'd ventilate it. I love animals, but I hate irresponsible pet owners and cats require control because of their very nature. We've got an entire hill covered with a hive of feral cats that sh*t and puke everywhere and kill the bunnies and songbirds. They really need to be culled down. Some volunteers trapped and sterilized them, but they're still sick feral cats.

It also works on the bunnies as well, but only after first frost to kill the dermal parasites. Dress and skin the ventilated bunnies, remove shot as needed, quarter them, and marinate in red wine. Then, stock them with carrots, celery, tomato, sea salt, a clove or two of garlic, a quarter of a white onion, a short glass of the same red wine and herb fine' packed into a cheesecloth bag. Cook until desired texture, better a slow simmer for a few hour's time, then reduce the remaining stock and thicken into a rich and hearty gravy with a little Wondra flour. I'd serve the rabbit quarters with a good dense French baguette, gravy, skin-on garlic mashed potatoes, and a good winter vegetable.

[jukes]

6. how droll!

perhaps you have a recipe for the cats as well?

i wd expect that any non specific persons w/ such culinary interests might have many diverse cuisine interests; perhaps shit-on-a-stick wd be my recommendation to such a person.

[solinvictus]

9. Cats

No, I don't hate cats at all, but at the same time, owners need to be held responsible for their pets' actions. If the person who started the post WANTED the rabbits in the yard and was genuinely angry that a neighborhood cat that runs free killed it, I can't say I'd sympathize with the cat owner if harm came to it. It's tiring to hear of people who leave their animal companions to roam at will and then cry foul if any harm comes to them because the animal is acting on its instinct. Basically, the cat owners rights ended at the threshold of the initial posters property line. I'm not saying shoot on sight, but at least hose the animal to get it to stop coming in the yard. I had a cat for twelve years and my guy spent his life indoors. I tried the indoor/outdoor thing a few months until he cornered a huge snake by my toolshed, so I brought him back in all the time.

[Rhiannon12866]

42. I agree. My cats have always been indoor cats.

As a responsible pet owner, I cannot imagine putting them in the way of the dangers that they would face, if allowed to roam, including some of the dangers from humans, as have been suggested on this thread. I had no idea that liberals could be so cruel or that they could be so unsympathetic to animals. I thought that those of us on DU shared a love of animals.;(

[WillParkinson]

59. Then punish the caretaker...

Not the animal. It doesn't know boundaries. The people who take care of it should.

[jukes]

8. i prefer

#4 buck, preferably in the lower abdomen. i've had one lung shot, it took to long for quietus.

might be overkill on cats though. i only hunt humans. much more sporting when your prey can shoot back.

[Dookus]

12. good thing you don't live in my neighborhood

because the next thing to get ventilated would be you.

[Rhiannon12866]

43. Good shot.

I began a response to this post, but, fortunately, lost it, and thought better of writing it again.:grr:

[Occulus]

18. Why don't you find out

what the cats' natural predator(s) is/are and introduce a couple?

Watch the fur fly! :D

(Since they're in the wild, and you'd be introducing a natural predator, there's nothing inherently immoral or cruel about it; it's just life feeding life. The Discovery Channel, in your backyard, if you will.)

[jukes]

7. your cats enjoy the interaction,

mine certainly like a visit from a stray tom. perhaps it's only you annoyed by the ruckus & if you'd relax the control & let them have some fun, you might all be happier creatures.

if you'd spay & release, then put out some food, perhaps they'd be less of a problem & you'd enhance you're karma, too.

who knows, you cd be some1 i cd respect?

[solinvictus]

10. Spay and Release

A few locals and I did try to catch some of the ferals. Very few fell for the food traps. I tried to keep a plate of dry or canned outside near the designated trapping areas, but it wasn't very effective. A few were caught in the cage traps for spay and neuter, but most of them were too cunning for that.
I just hate to see the critters suffer, but at the same time, they leave diarrhea, vomit, and regular scat on the grounds, so it is more than a simple nuisance as I'm certain a lot of their illnesses are contagious to other pets. I imagine the poor cats are the product of lost or abandoned housepets, which I can't imagine, because once you agree to take an animal I believe it's yours for life. I suppose animal friends are disposable to some people.

[jukes]

13. i agree

in my experience, & i've been doing it for 15 years, is that they tend to be the offspring of abandoned cats.

i disagree w punishing the cat. you have to be extremely good to get a full load into a suspicious cat, esp in the dark. i very seriously doubt you get full kills. ever seen anybody who's been gut shot? not pretty, or humane, at all. they tend to scream alot, & actually try to wiggle out of their aching bodies. cats often wander off and die over weeks from infection

if your neighbors won't listen to reason, most domestics will fall for a havaheart. then it's ultimatum time; or take it someplace where it's killed decently.

ferals are more difficult, the trick of course, is being smarter than a cat.

several of my cats were found w/ pellets in their bodies. personally, i'd like to catch some1 doing that. i'd make his life *very* interesting for awhile.

[solinvictus]

14. Yep

I'm not suggesting shooting these guys, maybe rounding them up and euthanizing them through injection. This group is just so sick and despite the efforts of other tenants, they still have some fertile members of their group. These precious little orange and black kittens are rail thin because even if they get food, which they do from people leaving it on the patios, they can't keep it down and it does them little good because of sickness. Again, it comes down to outsmarting a feral cat and so far, even hunger hasn't lured them to the cages.

[Occulus]

19. as for the scat,

domestic cats will instinctively bury their wastes in sand. Maybe you should dig and small pit and fill it? It would at least take care of the scat.

(My neighbors growing up had a bit of a cat problem themselves, and we didn't play in the sandbox as a result. It was- literally- full of shit.)

[SoCalDem]

11. Maybe you can catch the bunnies, and find homes for them

That's sad, but cats do that..They are born killers, and they can't help it...and poor little sweet bunnies are prey :cry:..

[Occulus]

21. Them big evil kitties are prey for something else, though :)

Food chain. Food chain.

Think we're at the top? Look at virii and bacteria. They attack everything.

I'd say the smallest are truly at the top. We're all, living or dead, subject to them in the end.

[jukes]

15. let's suppose

for just a tick, that 1 of your cats slipped out, & some neighbor mistook it for a marauder because it followed instinct, & smashed it with a shovel, or whatever your preferred technique is.

maybe you "dispatched" some neighbor kid's sasha. maybe she's still awake crying, & will be out combing the neighborhood for her poor lost sasha in the morning.

do you feel better about yourself now, or worse?

it's so easy to kill w/o thinking. especially when they'res no danger to one's self.

[BlueJazz]

16. When I lived in Pacifica, California the Cats got so bad

that even little ol' ladies were shooting them when they came in their yard. For a while the garbage men were picking up about 50 of them every garbage day. I didn't really approve but I'll have to admit, it was nice to see the songbirds again.

[jukes]

17. please read my posts,especially

# 15.

then enjoy your songbirds.

easy concept to rationalize, especially since no cat ever shot back.

bet they're be many fewer mighty hunters, if there was danger involved.

[BlueJazz]

20. Wait a minute now!...Jukes!....I like Cats and I didn't have

anything to do with the mass murder. I wish the town would have been able to deal with the problem in a humane way. I thought then (and still do) that the whole affair was quite shitty.
Sorry if my post sounded cruel-hearted...I'm truly not that way.

(I just re-read my old post...I guess I did sound like I cared more about the birds that the kittys....Not True!)

[jukes]

22. apologies!

been trying hard to live w/ the rules, but still point out bonehead, no thought posts.

waste of time, but i'm up for the night.

didn't mean to over-react to your post, see your thrust now.

love songbirds, too.

[BlueJazz]

24. No apology needed......

Sometimes when I'm posting fast, I write down words that don't truly convey my feelings.

Cheers :)

[Occulus]

23. now now

(edit: I was writing this as jukes apologized. I'm leaving it up because I'd like to know how jukes- and others- feel about the points I'm briniging up.)

It's easy to care when there are only one or two cats. It's damn near impossible if you see three or four new ones every day.

You must remember, these things have litters of offspring, and with a lack of larger natural predators to cull the multiple tribes of cats that will spring up in their absence, we must take that place if we are to save other forms of wildlife. If we don't, eventually those cats will start to die off due to lack of food- if humans don't feed them at all.

And that's where people such as yourself come in. If you really feel killing off parts of a truly excess population of cats for the good of the whole population of cats is wrong, for God's sake, don't feed them! You'll only make the problem worse. Let nature take its course and allow them to starve after their natural food source is gone.

Is that a problem for the cats in a city? Not at all. Is it in the wild? You bet.

I'm trying not to be cold here, but it's difficult to be objective when you realize how the food chain works. We're part of it, and we're intelligent. We owe a responsibility to our planet if nothing else to apply what we know about how the food chain works to maintain the delicate balance in nature as we influence it. Occasionally, this does mean we have to kill.

I'm sorry if that comes off as cruel, but that's how it must be if we are to continue doing things that cause the food chain to be disrupted. If we don't keep that balance, Nature will do it for us- and not bother to ask us if we like it or not.

[Rhiannon12866]

29. The important thing that I always think of

is that kitties, as all other animals, are living, feeling beings, that are often made to suffer terribly because of the irresponsibility of man. I am quoting my Repub assemblywoman when I say this. I have e-mailed her, asking her to support pending animal-protection legislation, and she has always replied to me, personally. I didn't vote for her in the last election, but am reconsidering my vote in the next.:shrug:

Alley Cat Allies, a great organization, which manages feral colonies, and gave me wonderrful advice when I brought in my kitty, who was abandoned and terrified. If you are interested in her story, read my subsequent post.:-(

http://www.alleycat.org/resources.html

[jukes]

56. i agree that this problem is endemic

i frequently make the hard choice of euthanizing ferals w/uncurable, debilitating diseases such as FIV.

feeding these cats ensures a viable life style, & negates at least some of their destructive predator deprevations of local fauna. coupled w/spay & release programs, these populations gradually decrease.

[Rhiannon12866]

25. I agree that this is unconscionable

I have had cats, as well, but all of them have also been indoor cats. How can anyone let their beloved pet run loose, subject to all kinds of dangers? This is something I just can't understand. I could never sleep if I didn't know where my cats were, the same as with my dogs. I am so sorry, but have several friends in animal rescue, so know that people can be unbelievably irresponsible when it comes to their animals, especially cats.:-(

[Occulus]

26. Here's a story for you, then.

While I was growing up, I had a beagle/spaniel mix named Pester. Pester was an awesome dog- each and every time I was ill or hurt, he was right there.

We euthanized him when he was 14, nearly blind and deaf, incontinent, and had skin ulcers. All the vets we went to while these were developing (it all happened within two years or so) told us he was simply old; there wasn't anything to be done for it all. He also suffered from arthritis. Later, horribly.

While he was active, though, he led a totally free life. Each and every time he wanted out, we let him out- negligent by today's standards, as we had a couple square miles of woods and fields, maybe more, behind our house. He was always able to hear us before illness took him, though; Not less than five or seven minutes each time we called him, even well after sundown, he would come racing in, sometimes covered up to his belly in mud but always wearing a big stupid grin, and never the sign of an injury on his body.

I remember seeing him snarl a few times. I was never afraid of him, but I pity what found itself the subject of that snarl's ire. I have no idea what made my dog so confident, but he would openly challenge dogs twice his size and more, and they tended to back away. Maybe that's what kept him safe.

At any rate, my dog knew how to take care of himself, apparently, as he always came home and he never showed a scratch- despite a whole lot of woods filled with raccoons, snakes, and other wildlife, including coyotes on occasion.

Maybe, just maybe, animals know a whole lot more about self-preservation than we "intelligent" humans ever will.

[Rhiannon12866]

28. And let me tell you a story about my cat

She was a housecat, abandoned by a neighbor, when she moved. I'm not saying that she did this on purpose. My other neighbor thinks that, because she had many cats, this one just got away from her when she was moving. I cannot understand why she didn't tell me. I rescued her little Yorkie several times, when he got loose, and she was so grateful. I have no doubt that this poor kitty went through hell. She was so terrified, that when I finally became aware of her, it took me four months to bring her in, using a have-a-heart trap, though I had been feeding her whenever she appeared. My other neighbor, who walks his dogs long distances and keeps track of things and animals, told me that she had been living in a culvert, under the road, and had been pursued by wild coy dogs. When she disappeared, he thought that they had gotten her. It wasn't them; it was me.:-(

When I finally brought her back from the vet, I followed advice from Alley Cat Allies, and sequestered her in one room. I lost her, anyway, because she somehow managed to get into the closet and buried herself deep within it, trying to disappear. She then hid behind the couch, trying to make herself as small and invisible as possible, she was just so terrified. It finally took dental surgery for me to finally be able to touch her. She must have been in a lot of pain. She, finally, would sit in the chair with me or jump up on the desk and sit beside the computer as I was typing. This amount of progress took over a year. She loved to sit in the window, but never expressed any desire to return to the outside. Then she got cancer and I lost her last February, despite extraordinary veterinary intervention. I still cry for my kitty, who should never have been on her own and deserved a much more comfortable life.;(

[jukes]

40. dog are pack animals

and routinely bow to another dog w/ a specified territory. if your dog never had a scratch, it wasn't because he was tough, it was because of dog protocol. had he ran into one of the more aggressive breeds, your dog wd have been killed or maimed.

wild animals , such as 'coons & 'possums, frequently evade rather than senselessly fight. good thing your dog never encountered a rabid raccoon. or a copperhead or rattler.

you needlessly & recklessly exposed your dog to danger, perhaps out of phallic extension of your dog's "toughness" as an extension of your own. you both had more luck than you deserve.

had you accompanied your dog on his excursions, you might have observed some wonders of nature, gotten some exercise, enjoyed the company of your dog more, & been much more responsible to him & your neighbors.

[Dookus]

27. I'll bite...

I have three cats now. I've had two other cats in the past. My first cat lived with me in San Francisco, and was strictly indoors. He was an insane, unhappy cat. When I moved to a place where he could go outside, his personality changed overnight.

Since then all my cats are indoor/outdoor cats. They stay close to home, enjoy lolling in the yard and chasing bugs, interacting with the neighbor cats and just doing all the things cats like to do.

Is it riskier? Yes. But I'm willing to accept the increased risk for their happiness. All my cats LOVE being outdoors. I watch them frolic in the yard, play with each other, hide in the grass, etc. My neighbors on both sides have cats, as do the people across the street, and their neighbors on both sides. All of us let our cats out. They all have fun.

It's no unconscionable. Some of us think keeping a cat cooped up for a lifetime is worse.


On edit: My first cat was put to sleep at age 16 because he had skin cancers. My second cat, also, was put to sleep at 16 because of likely pancreatic cancer or diabetes that was no longer treatable. I gave her insulin for the last 9 months of her life daily.

[Rhiannon12866]

31. My first two cats had always been indoor cats

and were perfectly happy remaining so. Angela was somewhat reclusive and liked sleeping under and behind things. Rhiannon enjoyed lying in her window bed and observing the world. I would have been terrified to have let her outside. She was fearless, but was also declawed, not my doing. I lost this perfect cat at age seven and had to feed her, using a syringe, for the last few months of her life. I really thought if any animal could recover, it would have been her. She had such a strong spirit.
:loveya:



I also wrote about my kitty that I rescued from outdoors on post #28. This cat also broke my heart.;(

[Dookus]

32. I understand

and if I thought cats were happier being indoors, I'd keep them in. But my experience tells me otherwise. Believe me, I love my cats as much as anybody has loved their cats... but I saw what a change it made in my first guy, and I see how happy the others are being able to enjoy the yard and the sun and the bugs and yes, the occasional mole or mouse. It's not black and white, cut and dried. I don't think I'm "unconscionable" or irresponsible. My cats, as well as my neighbor cats, have their shots, get regular checkups, and get endless loving.

I think it's a VERY recent development (say within the last 50 years) that cats were considered "indoor-only" animals.

[Rhiannon12866]

33. I am sure that you are neither unconscionable nor irresponsible

with your cats. I have seen enough of your posts to know this and never meant to imply otherwise. You are the guy who spent the night attempting to rescue an injured skunk. I followed that thread all night. I remember this and applaud you. Not too many people would have attempted this. Your cats are very fortunate to have you looking after them.:-)

My only point is that there are so many people who are irresponsible, though they are surely rare on DU. I hear heartbreaking stories from my friends in animal rescue and all my own pets have very sad stories to tell, especially my kitty that I rescued myself. She was never meant to live on her own, outside, and was so terrified by the time I found her, that it took a great deal just to bring her in, let alone for her to accept that she was finally safe.;(

My Rhiannon was the one exception. She was fearless and enjoyed it when I took her outside and carried her around. My friend in animal rescue chastised me for not always using a carrier with her, but I knew my cat and I knew that this was the one cat that it was safe to do this with. I was never afraid of losing her. I sent for a leash-harness combination, thinking that she would enjoy walking around outside, but the damn thing was too small and I would have strangled her if I had insisted on putting it on her. It was supposed to be "one size fits all," which was, obviously, not true, since she was not a very big cat. I complained to R.C. Steele, where I got it from, and noticed that they stopped offering it. But I still continued to carry her around, including the night before I lost her. We made a lot of memories and I still miss my most special cat.;(

[Dookus]

34. cool...

we agree in large part. Believe me, if you could tell me today that one of my cats would be injured, I'd lock 'em up. I DO worry about their safety when they're out of my sight, but I also see the general cat-joy they experience being outside.

I think it's sweet you remembered my injured skunk thread. Yes, I love animals, but... like children... they can't achieve their full potential if we smother them with protection. It's a risk... but sometimes we have to choose happiness over safety.

[Rhiannon12866]

35. I would choose happiness everytime, except with my nutty dog,

Sara. She scares me, trying to run off, especially into traffic. She is rescue and I know why. She must have run off from her previous owner and he/she must miss her a lot. She is such a sweet dog, but needs to run. We need to provide her with a fenced yard.
:scared:

Of course I remember your injured skunk thread. I have posted a couple of threads on DU, asking for advice for my friend in animal rescue, who was fostering two young mother cats, with six kittens between them. She was a bit overwhelmed, since she is more used to dogs. I sent her a couple of special animal threads that I had saved from DU, telling her that these were the most caring people that she could imagine. This was one of them:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=5595&mesg_id=5595&page

[Dookus]

36. of course

I remember those threads. What was the outcome?

[Rhiannon12866]

37. This is the latest on my friend in animal rescue

She has yet to achieve a happy ending for the one remaining kitty, the one that she really bonded with. My heart aches for her, since I know that she is being torn up by this. I only wish that I could take the cat, but I can't just now.:-(

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x1446696#1462107

[Pond Scum]

30. Pussy Power!

Sorry author look up








Cats deserve our love and gifts and anything that5 crosses their minds

[Rhiannon12866]

38. Welcome to DU, Pond Scum!!!

You will fit in here well, if you are a cat-lover!:-)

[jukes]

39. i'm posting 1 more time in this thread

then i'm walking away. the self satisfied, libertarian, butch ignorance of humans fills me w/disgust; & most humans cherish their "folk-wisdom" to the point that they are unteachable.

the feral cat problem in this country is artificial, we've created it by selfishness & laziness.

domestic cats gone feral are NOT natural hunters; cats must be taught to effectively hunt by their dams. if the dam is a loosed domesticated cat, it probably has no skills to pass on. these cats subsist on scraps from dumpsters (since they're routinely dumped @ rest-stops, gas stations, & parks) and whatever small bugs they can catch. many are too unskilled to catch even a mouse.

it's been mentioned that natural predators can cull these populations. that concept displays an appalling lack of knowledge. domesticate cats are not indigenous to this continent. they have no natural predators. the few animals capable of catching & taking down a cat have been driven away from habitated areas, or hunted out by bloodthirsty farmers convinced, in their own ignorant minds, that they are protecting their property.

the misguided individual that sugg's they shd be allowed to starve has obviously never been hungry (& i don't mean skipping breakfast). i've been actually hungry; it really hurts. +, these animals don't die of starvation; they die slow agonizing deaths as they are gradually weakened by parasites & disease resulting from slow malnutrition.

one person mentioned not to provide sustenance for these populations, citing that it increases the population. again, this is nonsense. a female cat will come into season as soon as she's weened her litter. 4 litters a year are common; anywhere from 4-6 births per litter. a non-hunting feral female can "survive" long enough to birth 6 litters, although the strain eventually weakens & kills them. they in turn, can birth several litter before death overtakes them. do the math. by supp feeding these populations, one insures a more stable lifestyle & can supp their foods w/ antiparasitic and epidemic medications that ensures a much better quality of life for these animals that we are responsible for. +, by providing food they can be monitored & gradually gain enough trust to be trapped humanely & either neutered of humanely euthanized.

if any specific individual is too lazy & unfeeling to educate themselves about a problem in their neighborhood, there are organizations of individuals like me who devote themselves to repairing your faults. every county has an animal control unit that will capture & painlessly euthanize these poor creatures.

killing them by shotgun or vicious traps is cruel & ugly. please bury your butch instincts and learn a little liberal compassion. if you can't be motivated to get off your matcom & deal w/the problem, take the minimal effort to contact a professional or dedicate amateur to clean up your neighborhood mess.

to the orig poster, this animal you killed might be incapable of feeding itself by means other than capturing helpless young. an adult rabbit can often defend itself from a cat, esp a weakened or untrained cat. did you think to check for swollen teats before you buried the evidence of your slaughter? if you killed a female attempting to provide for her young, you've just doomed numerous sasha's to hideous kitten deaths. i hope you're much less full of male braggadocio @ this point, & actually think before you destroy an animal capable of redemption.

i will repeat this very non-specific warning, perhaps directed @ free per lurkers that love to enhance their concepts of masculine failure by murdering helpless animals: stay off my turf. i care much more for these helpless creatures than i do you, & you're likely to remember our encounter for as long as you live. despite my compassion, I'm a very dangerous person & have not the slightest problem w/creative education for the unwilling.

please, we are supposed to be open-minded liberals, proud of our ability to educate ourselves; before you decide on an easy, & self-gratifying solution to a problem, take a moment away from pay-for-view smack-downs or the latest freeper wet-dream adventure fest & act like a responsible liberal.

i house 37 cats, mostly feral. i am *not* 1 of those media-hyped animal hoarders, all my animals get regular, documented Innoc's & care. I've taught myself the necessary medical techniques for routine maintenance & have spent enormous sums on veterinary bills when i'm over my head. i have provide 1 screened in porch for outside access for these guys, and feed squirrels, chipmunks, & birds for their amusement. i'm presently building an enclosed patio for extended outside facilities. allowing your cats to run loose because you're too self-absorbed to care for them property is courting disaster for your animals, and bound to be offensive to your neighbors, who just might flatten it w/ a shovel, or gut-shoot it w/ a couple of stray pellets of #6 steel shot.

one further thought: crass jokes about animal cruelty are NOT funny, nor do they impress our community w/ your manliness. they are hurtful to us w/ *true* compassion, & degrade you as a mindless beast.

thank you for your patience & don't bother to flame me; i won't be back to this thread. it sickens me.

[Rhiannon12866]

41. I couldn't finish reading your post. It just ripped my heart out

You know the reason. I keep imagining my poor kitty, abandoned and alone, and how frightened and hungry she must have been. She went through hell. When I was feeding her outdoors, she ate as many as five or six cans of food a day. The feral cat lady at the animal hospital, who I finally met the night I caught her in the have-a-heart trap and brought her in, told me that this was either a male or a female that had been fed very well. Only I could bring in a cat from outside that was already overweight, LOL! This thread sickens me, as well. In my experience, liberals are friends to animals.;(

[Dookus]

44. Jukes...

I agree in large part. But the original poster didn't kill the cat. She or he buried the dead rabbit, not the cat.

Another asshole above suggested shooting cats. If karma is real, he'll die a slow, miserable death from a gut infection.

[jukes]

53. Dookus

on 2nd read, i believe you're right. the post was a bit vague about which carcass was buried, & i jumped to conclusions. i've apologized publicly & privately to the orig poster for my mis-read.


RE: indoor cats. yes, this is a recent development, but it shd be noted that the world is changing. i keep my cats indoors to avoid the dangers of parasites, newly discovered epidemic killers such as FIV, a feline analogue to HIV, dangerously trained dogs allowed to run loose, & traffic.

many of my manly redneck neighbors think it's amusing to run over a "feminine" creature like a cat, while avoiding stray dogs, which they equate w/manliness.

utmost respect for your readiness to defend & protect animals!

& TX++ for pointing out my error.

[NMDemDist2]

45. if the cat doesn't get a couple babies, pretty soon your up to your

elbows in bunnies

it's sad but is the natural order

we had feral barn cats once and I got all upset cuz the hawks would get the kittens. One year i "protected" the kittens and they procreated so fast that we were overrun with skinny sick kitties cuz the habitat couldn't support so many feral cats

the next year i let nature take it's course and we were back to a manageable number of cats that were able to stay healthy

flame away cat/bunny lovers that I didn't "capture and spay" or whatever

[Dookus]

46. No flames here...

personally, I would spay/neuter if possible, but nature is nature. It's very harsh. Anybody who's read my posts knows how much of an animal lover I am, but having kept a few reptiles in my life, I know critters eat critters. When you toss a rat to a snake a few hundred times, it all becomes clear.

[NMDemDist2]

47. thanks Dook

it is a mean old world out there

I gotta add one more story... one day we went out side to the patio and the two dogs were out by the block fence looking curious

the old girl kept bouncing and coming over to us and the big boy was just laying in the grass with tail a wagging

we went over to investigate and there was a little baby jackrabbit who had gotten inside our fence

the dogs were trying to herd it (they are border collies) and love it

we trapped it and walked it a block and let it back out into the desert

my dogs are just a couple big sweeties LOL

[Dookus]

48. aww... that's sweet

dogs are so funny. Some are stone-cold killers, some are just big fluffy love-muffins.

[NMDemDist2]

49. here's the big boy, he's never met a stranger

[Dookus]

50. awww

look at da widdle pudgemuffin! I just wanna schnoogle his cheeks!

[jukes]

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[jukes]

55. no flames, AZDem

spay/release programs are difficult; the techniques are distinctly different than capturing a stray. many confuse a stray w/ a feral: ferals are the offspring of abandoned domesticated cats, they've never had true contact w/humans & are wild animals, albeit unfit for life in the wild.

a gentle reminder that there are organizations & individuals like myself equipped to assist w/this problem.

i have not posted my website on this board or in my profile to avoid releasing personal contact information to the whackos that lurk this site solely to annoy, but i do advertise locally.

[NMDemDist2]

57. these were true feral cats they lived there long before we did

and there was a whole tribe of them. They were excellent hunters

and since this was 20 years ago ....

i agree tho with your stance and would hate to see a domesticated animal alone

my oldest dog was rescued from the pound after she had been dumped by the river. She waited and waited for her "people" to come back. Finally she got so hungry a lady who lived nearby was able to get close enough to catch her and take her to the pound where we adopted her. It took us a couple years to get her to settle down and the poor thing is still a bit neurotic after 11 years

but she's a good girl and we love her a lot, it's obvious she still carries scars from mistreatment and abandonment

[jukes]

51. oopsie-dupesy

[jukes]

52. PatriotGames

it has been pointed out that i misread your post, & that the carcass you buried was the haples lapine, not a slaughtered cat. if this is the case, i blame my rabid distaste for for animal killers & crass jokers who believe that provacative posts about killing cats are funny. perhaps your post was a bit vague about what it was you buried, also.

i lump these type of imbeciles together; people that are trying too hard to impress the world with their manly prowess & disdain for lower life forms.


i have met many of these types. *mano a mano*, they aren't nearly as tough when confronted by a less helpless entity.

My sincere apology if i misinterpreted your post. i respect any man that can admit remorse for the death of a harmless creature.

[Rhiannon12866]

58. Yes, the baby bunny was killed, by the neighbor's cat, very sad

No cats were killed on this thread, though the replies were not all kind towards all creatures. But I am just going to leave it alone, since I know I'm not going to change hearts and minds.:shrug: