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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 10:15 PM
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Allah and God are not the same...
Edited on Thu May-27-04 10:23 PM by LostInAnomie
...at least that is what some freeper is trying to convince me of on another site. To "prove" it he posted this shit. I have checked a few of his references and many are out of context, but any other help you can give me would be appreciated.

"There is no God But Allah, and Muhammad is the profit (or messenger) of Allah, "starts the great Shahada, or "confession", which every faithful Muslim around the world declares daily. This declaration effectively distinguishes Muslims from every other world religion, including Christianity and Judaism.

Islam rejects the biblical doctrines of the Trinity and the deity of Jesus Christ. God the Father does not exist in Islam. The Muslim God is unapproachable by sinful man, and the Muslims only true desire is to submit to the point where he can hold back the judging arm of Allah and inherit eternal pleasure in a heavenly paradise in terms of food, wine, and sexual pleasures.

To Muslims, God has no likeness (Sura 42:11), transcendent¹ (Sura 4:171), is unknowable (apart from revelation), and is wholly other and totally different. He is neither physical or spirit. The Bible, contradicting the Qur'an, tells us that we have been created in God's image and likeness (Genesis 1:26-27) and thar we have knowledge of God in our hearts (Romans 1:19-20). Moreover, Scripture tells us that God is Spirit (John 4:24).

But Allah is not only a harsh, wrathful God, although the overwhelming impression given by the Qur'an is that he is sovereign, distant and angry. Muslims also believe that he is loving and merciful (Sura 11: 90). But unlike Christians,Muslims do not emphasize a personal relationship with God. Scripture tells us that those who trust in Christ and do the Father's will have been redeemed and have been adopted as sons (Romans 8:14-15 ; Galatians 3:26). We are heirs of God (Galatians 4: 7) and the Father deals with us as his children (Matthew 12:47; Mark 3:35; Hebrews 12:5,7). We can even be called His friends (John 15:13-15; James 2:23). On the other hand, those who deny the Son have the devil for their father (John 8:4).

One of the prerogatives of the Qur'an is abrogation, a legal term referring to the "destruction or annulling of a former law by an act of the legislative power, by constitutional authority or by usage. This act of substitution is taught is three separate places in the Quar'an, Sura 2:100/106, Sura 13-29 and Sura 16-101. Since substitution means replacing one thing for another for some purpose, why is it even necessary if the Qur'an is the "eternal speech of Allah?" This seems to indicate that Allah can change his mind, something vastly different from our biblical God who is unchangeable in his character and essence. If Allah is the Al-knowing, on what basis is there a need to substitute? Jesus said He did not come to destroy the Law, but to fulfill it (Matthew 5:17) and that heaven and earth would pass away before the smallest jot or tittle would pass away (5:18). Scripture is never abrogated, because God does not change (Malachi (3:6). So since the Qur'an is abrogated no serious student of religion could ever make the contention that God and Allah are one and the same.

edit: I accidently had smilies going on.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 10:16 PM
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1. Let the MIGHTY EAGLE SOAR..... n/t
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 11:31 PM
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19. I hope I'm the only one that catches this reference...
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 10:19 PM
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2. "Muhammad is the profit...."
Off to a shaky start, I'd say. Jesus was the deferred 401K....
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 10:20 PM
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3. hahahaa
Edited on Thu May-27-04 10:22 PM by soundgarden1
nice one. I knew when i read that i was in trouble. Although, when you take a hard look at organized religion, "profit" does seem more applicable a term.

I suppose we should expect this kind of nonsense coming from the taliborn agains for the foreseeable future, despite the fact that they are completely wrong.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 10:22 PM
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4. God is God no matter what name is slapped on Him/Her/It
It just IS. (or Isn't, if you happen to be atheist.)

Would Jesus love a liberal? (And a Muslim?) You bet!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/liberalchristians.htm
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 10:25 PM
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6. "My name is "I am"
Edited on Thu May-27-04 10:27 PM by supernova
not "I was" " - God from Joan of Arcadia

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 10:28 PM
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8. I adore that show. It _almost_ replaces Freaks and Geeks
as my fave Tormented Teen tv show. :)
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 10:24 PM
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5. "Allah" is simply the Arabic
word for God. Freepers almost always trip over this fact.

Also, the Koran repeats the phrase: "The God of Abraham, the God of Joseph, the God of Isaac" which is also found in the Torah.

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mosin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 11:01 PM
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15. Bingo!
Ask them what Arab Christians call "God"?

They usually don't like the answer.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 10:27 PM
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7. Is the fact that he calls every chapter "Sura" a dead giveaway that...
Edited on Thu May-27-04 10:29 PM by LostInAnomie
...he doesn't know what he is talking about? Wouldn't that be like calling every chapter ing the bible "Mark"?
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mosin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 11:00 PM
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14. a "sura" is a "chapter"
I'm not sure what your objection is. "sura" isn't a specific name.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 10:28 PM
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9. "Allah" is nothing more than Arabic for "God"
And the god of Islam is THE EXACT SAME GOD as the god of Christianity and Judaism, that being the god of Abraham and Isaac.

This is a fact. Dont let anyone tell you different because they dont know what they are talking about.

Islam is just a different marketing program for the same entity and a Johnny-come-lately one at that.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 10:30 PM
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10. basically the same god
just different interpretations. the Jewish god "Yahweh is the real problem in the linage of the religions of the middle east that traces it`s history back to Abraham...
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 10:31 PM
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11. "God" is just english for "Allah."
That said, you're wasting your time arguing with bigots.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 10:33 PM
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12. oh yes ask him if he has ever heard
of the coptic church and their beliefs and see what he has to say-now that will be really interesting
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 10:40 PM
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13. In Malta -- a Catholic country --
with a language (Maltese) closely related to Arabic, the word for 'God' used in the Mass, now that the Mass is said in the vernacular, is -- surprise -- "Allah".
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 11:04 PM
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16. "Allah" has a cooler nickname "Big Al"
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 11:24 PM
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17. my god is totally annoyed with this and all conflicts. . .
Edited on Thu May-27-04 11:26 PM by stellanoir
and he doesn't ever talk to GWB, 'cause he figures it's hardly worth it.

I have a friendly, not a vengeful god. He doesn't like wars.

". . .with mercy towards all, and malice towards none. . ."

honest abe
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 11:26 PM
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18. My god's better looking
thbbthtbhbt!

Ah, and the new religious war begins
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 11:40 PM
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20. "my god's better than your god. . .
my god's better than your's. . ."
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 11:59 PM
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22. Well, my god may or may not exist!
Match that!
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 11:48 PM
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21. So..., you tell her, I'm not going there.
And of course, they spring from different cultures. Similar, but not identical, and the concept of god has evolved as has the originating cultures have evolved,... or devolved, as the case may be. It's funny how that god thing works.
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