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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:05 PM
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How the government's F'd my family!
Long story, been happening over the past few months and it's really pissing me off. Anyway my dad is a Vietnam Vet who was messed up because of the war. In fact a lot of his problems are linked directly to the war. He suffered from agent orange and his health and emotional stability has declined over the years. The disability caused by the war forced my dad out of work. Since he was not working, and since his disability was caused by the war, the government decided to put him at 100% disability.

After a few weeks we found out that the government ruled my dad incompetent to handle his money because of some emotional problems. So my father signed over the rights to my mother. The government at first had no problems with this, but they had to come out and make sure my mother was stable enough to handle the money - and that she wasn't going to abuse the government. So they came out, left and about a month ago we found out they did NOT find her fit to handle their money. They said we had too many bills and so they were going to do the handling.

Now my parents have been married 20 years in June. Throughout those 20 years my mother handled the money. In 20 years never once did we go a night without food. In 20 years never once did they have to shut off our power. In 20 years never ONCE did my mother make a late payment on a bill. In 20 years never once did I go without clothes, a birthday, a Christmas, an easter, or any other holiday. In 20 years NEVER once did I feel that we were financially strapped. Yet the government thinks my mother is NOT capable of running the money, even though she's done a pretty damn good job of it for the past 20 years.

But it gets better. The government basically said THEY will take the money my dad gets through his disability and THEY will pay the bills. Whatever remains will go to us. They also took away my mom's charge cards, QVC cards, gas cards and any other card that we sometimes used. We also must pay them $90 a month to do the processing.

They told us our lives would get better.

This started about a month ago. They've paid the bills, but they've yet to give us the remaining money. So for the past two weeks we've not been shopping. We've got no new food. No gas in the car and hardly anything left in the fridge. For the first time in MY life I feel we're financially strapped. How is THIS making our lives better?

We've basically eaten scraps for the past two weeks because the government has YET to give us our money. Sad part is, we actually had more money after my mother paid the bills than we're getting back now that the government is paying our bills. But not only that, we've got to wait on the incompetent government to give us OUR money.

If we don't obey their ruling, they'll cut my dad off disability. He can't work my mom hasn't worked since 1996 - when my grandfather had a stroke and she had to give up HER job to move in with my grandparents to help take care of him. She's in her 50s, what are the odds of her landing a job that will be able to pay the bills? Zero.

All because the government found her incompetent to pay the bills - even though she did a good job of it for the past 20 years.

I mean when will life give you a break? I mean only two months after grandma dies and we're socked with another brick.

The government has fucked my family. They've stolen our ability to live.

Home of the free my ass. My dad fucking FOUGHT for this piece of shit nation and this is how they repay him?

FUCK THAT!

People wonder why I hate America? It's because it treats its underclass like PURE SHIT! Only in America can you put your life on the line for you government and return and get SHAT on by it.

Even though my dad is FUCKED and at times I wish he was dead, it doesn't change the fact that he tried his hardest to make ends meet. Throughout my life he and my mom went without so my brother and I could have that extra special toy. Or that extra special shirt. My mother NEVER fucked us over financially, but here the richest nation in the world is. Makes grand sense, doesn't it?

Word of the wise - DON'T join the military. They only care about you when you're over there. Once you're back, they can give a rats ass about your problems or your needs.

World War II, Vietnam, the Gulf - Hell today's two pointless wars will breed the same results.

I'm so royally pissed right now I can cry.

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meatloaf Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:09 PM
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1. And you're in Utah to boot?
If I believed in a god I'd think somebody in your family tree pee'd in her cornflakes.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:10 PM
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2. What a lousy situation
Can she go to some pro-bono lawyer or the ACLU or something to contest their decision? I mean, it can't be that subjective. There must be some precedent of someone having fought their decision about competency to handle the money, of all things. Given the government's competency in handling our money these past few years, I'd think they are hardly qualified to judge.
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:15 PM
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6. Absolutely contact an attorney.
ACLU, the State Bar Association, local Vets agency. Fight back!
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:13 PM
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3. So ask yourself: is socialism the answer?
because I used to read that line 'the goverment stole our abilty to live our lives' alot from the former USSR.
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:15 PM
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7. Yes.
Socialism actually cared about the underclass.

But please don't turn this into a capitalism vs socialism debate.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:14 PM
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4. First have her contact Army or Navy Relief
depending on the branch... they do have emergency funds for active, reserve and retired, as well as dependents.

Second off... contact the ACLU... as well as retired organziation, preferably Nam veterans.

Oh and third, contact your local media, they tend to love the they screwed me over kind of stories
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:19 PM
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8. I told my mom just now to contact the ACLU
She says that she'll do that. I also brought up going to the local media and writing *gasp* Senator Hatch - who actually does have a pretty good record of taking on the VA here in Utah.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:23 PM
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10. And contact either army or Navy Relief
they only do this because they expect you to do NOTHING

Oh and don't jsut send an email to Hatch, call his office and if you can.. take all documentation (copies) to his office...
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:26 PM
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11. When my mom ran into a road block a few years back with the VA
She called Hatch's office, they then called the VA and we got what we wanted. If anything my mom is NOT going to roll over and let the government rape us of our right to live.

She's a fighter.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:34 PM
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14. They forgot
call Hatch's office and if need be take all material to the Senator

Now I have the sneaky suspition that this is just one more compasionate conservative effort to fund the VA through creative and
private sector (we do it better) methods.

GAG! Since the Boy Emperor came to office, we have all been fighting
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:48 PM
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15. Try VA assistance first
Edited on Tue May-04-04 04:52 PM by fryguy
I think a Vet's advocacy group is your best bet over the ACLU. Is there a VFW representative in your area?

I would also definitely contact your Congressman and Senator at their local offices (not D.C.), even if they are stinky-repubs. This is the kind of constituent affair thing your elected official is supposed to handle on your behalf. They have entire staffs devoted to such matters, and can work the necessary bureaucracy much better than you or your mother on your own. Either give them a call or stop by their office and ask to speak to the appropriate person, in either case I would recommend calmly explaining the situation with as much facts as possible, and limited emotion (I say this having been on the receiving end of such constituent affairs calls in the past - if you call up and vent your understandable anger on some staffer you might find the person on the other end less eager to help). Then also follow up with letters to the office.

They don't have to know you didn't vote for them and maybe even disagree with every position they have. But none of that matters when dealing with the local office, all that does matter is that you're in their district. At a local level, an elected official modus operandi is to solve your problem so you'll vote for them...so even if you have no intention to do that, use that mentality to your advantage.....
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:59 PM
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21. Oh we're going to contact Hatch.
We'll call his local office, in the past his staff has really been helpful.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:49 PM
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16. Definitely contact Senator Hatch
This is something he can help with. Good luck and this is horrible.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:15 PM
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5. good Lord, this is outrageous!
Can you get in touch with a veteran's group and see if you can get an attorney so that your mother can handle the money again? $90 a month for bill pay is highway robbery. Lots of banks around here are doing it for free, others charge $4.95 a month -- so the government is making quite a tidy profit on "handling" your bill pay.

Someone is pocketing the difference in what these services should be and what you are paying. That is a lot of money, and this is the motive to take away your mother's right to pay her own bills.

I would assume that if they're doing it to you, they're doing it to other families. I would find out and at least get a group together to approach the media if you can't find an attorney willing to help out some vets pro bono.

Just when you think you've heard everything...shaking my head...
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:21 PM
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9. She actually brought that up.
And they basically shrugged it off.
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rabid_nerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:29 PM
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12. Definately Sounds shady
Are they sure it's the government and not con men?
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:31 PM
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13. Unbelievable. Do the following:
Contact:

1. ALL of your reps and senators
2. The local paper
3. The local (and/or national) TV news media (Dateline or 60 Minutes)
4. The ACLU
5. Vets' organizations

The local news often has those "On Your Side" sorts of reporters who seek out these kinds of stories to get justice for people who've been screwed by crooked businesses, etc. They could be VERY useful in a case like this. After Ted Koppel's reading of names the other night, he could be sympathetic to this situation. Seek out names and e-mail addresses of whoever you think you can contact!

Write an op-ed for your local paper. If they don't publish it, continue to send others. If they don't use them, write a letter to the editor. Write multiples.

If your reps do not respond to your letters, make an appointment to see one during his/her office hours. Refuse to leave until you are heard. If they do not have time to talk to you, camp out outside the building with large photos of your mom and dad and confront them with them, explaining your situation.

This is one of those times in your life where you can really make a difference. Be the strength and the power that your mom and dad need right now. Be pro-active. Show these bastards that you will not take no for an answer, and you want results. Be their worst nightmare and tell them you WILL NOT go away.

I feel so awful for you. Please let us know what happens. And give your mom and dad our warm wishes. I wish you luck. Show em what you got!
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:55 PM
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18. I'll try those!
Thanks! :)

My mom is already going to contact the ACLU and Senator Hatch. After that we'll probably go to the media.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:49 PM
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17. Does your mother work outside the home?
I find it hard to believe they can do this. What kind of a hearing was held to declare her incompetent?

Your Congressional Representative might be a better one to contact -- typically they're better with constituent services than are Senators, but it would depend on who your representative is.

DO NOT TAKE THIS LYING DOWN. There's something very odd about what happened, if you gave us all the information.

How old are you? If you're over 21 perhaps you can become the handler of money in the family.
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:57 PM
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20. All information is correct.
Edited on Tue May-04-04 04:57 PM by Sean Reynolds
And I'm not 21.

They declared her incompetenet on the grounds that we had too many bills to pay.

As I said my mom hasn't worked outside the house since 1995, when she gave up her job to help take care of my grandfather. My grandfather died in 2002 and my mom decided to stay home and take care of my grandmother, who died in November of last year. Only two months after her death did this start to happen.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:56 PM
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19. In a case like this, Sean,
publicity is your friend. Definitely go to the news media and your Senate and Congresscritters and the VFW and anyone else you can think of.

All of the above are excellent suggestions!

Good luck!
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 05:00 PM
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23. I told my mom that bad news scares the government......
Which is a plus for us. We're going to exhaust every resort above before we go to the press. If we get no where with Senator Hatch, the ACLU, and the VFW - we'll go to the media.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 05:00 PM
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22. That is so f$&#@d up I don't even know what to say
:nuke:
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leftyandproud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 08:11 PM
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24. when you contact the media, don't mention you're a communist
that might help things
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leftyandproud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 08:15 PM
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25. also..
Edited on Tue May-04-04 08:19 PM by leftyandproud
leave out the part about how much you hate this country.
I'm not being facetious...just a suggestion.
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 10:25 PM
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31. Oh no doubt!
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Snoggera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 08:23 PM
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26. If you don't mind
I would like to print this out for all in my little world to see and discuss.

?

You and your family will make it. You are obviously an intelligent person that was well educated by your parents. I won't make any emotional response reactions, but will say I'm thinking about expressing so much anger right now.
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 10:25 PM
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30. Yeah you can.
The more the people that know how government is raping average Americans the better!
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Mistress Quickly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:35 PM
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27. Are you
old enough to work? Can you get a job to help?
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 10:24 PM
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29. Oh I've got a job.
And I will help more in paying for things. But my mom still doesn't like the thought of me supporting the family.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 09:36 PM
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28. Sean, hang in there !
You got some wonderful pieces of advice. Everything I'd say would be repetition. Don't give up the fight.



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