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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-21-03 10:42 PM Original message |
Why I Don't Support Banning Headscarfs |
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LiberalVoice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-21-03 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. I wish you could here me applauding. |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-21-03 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
2. It's interesting how those who favor it don't favor banning beards |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-21-03 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
3. Practical consideration |
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LeahMira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-03 10:01 AM Response to Reply #3 |
89. Lots of thoughts here... |
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Sir Craig (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-03 11:44 AM Response to Reply #89 |
102. A word from a progressive atheist... |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-21-03 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
4. Lets keep that other thread alive too |
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arewethereyet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-21-03 11:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. thanks for the support |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-21-03 11:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Fascism? |
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arewethereyet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-21-03 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
5. I don't believe that this has anything to do with any of that |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-21-03 11:11 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Wait a minute |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-21-03 11:15 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Someone on the other thread said religious symbols cannot be visible |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 01:51 AM Response to Reply #9 |
25. what about a (christian) cross? |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 06:59 AM Response to Reply #9 |
37. Hey! |
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OldSoldier (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 07:13 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Beards aren't necessarily religious. Hijab are. |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 07:15 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Scarves |
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OldSoldier (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 02:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
62. You shouldn't stop her at all. We shouldn't be having this discussion... |
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LeahMira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-03 01:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
98. That was my first thought, too... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-21-03 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
10. I'm extremely pro religious freedom in schools... |
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Frederic Bastiat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 09:03 AM Response to Reply #10 |
50. Lets not forget the majority of the French people support this |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 01:54 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. deleted |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-03 11:05 AM Response to Reply #10 |
77. Students protected against other students |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-21-03 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
11. I don't agree with government regulating religious expression, either, |
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linazelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-21-03 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
12. France is not America... |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-21-03 11:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. It;'s not Afghanistan either. But Chirac has outdone the Taliban |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 12:14 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Well said |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 04:32 AM Response to Reply #14 |
32. Actually, that's not true |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-03 06:36 PM Response to Reply #32 |
100. Beards are worn almost exclusively by men |
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drdigi420 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-03 12:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
83. Actually |
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Devlzown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-21-03 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
13. I don't like the ban, either. |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-21-03 11:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. That is a TERRIFIC analogy, but I think that the consequences |
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arewethereyet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-21-03 11:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. you hit the nail on the head there DTF |
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gpandas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 12:02 PM Response to Reply #16 |
56. But what if my religion... |
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Devlzown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 12:02 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Yeah, I got to thinking about that after |
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PackedForPerth (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-21-03 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
17. Banning... |
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evil_orange_cat (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
19. I don't support the ban, but it's not the end of the world... |
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arewethereyet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 12:35 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. yeah, but right or wrong, they don't see it that way |
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evil_orange_cat (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 12:37 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I don't see this as intolerance... |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 01:50 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. secularism does allow for expression of religion |
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indy77 (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 01:56 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Secularism's whole point is to hide religion from the public |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 03:55 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. I'll post this link here |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 06:21 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. It is still intolerant |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 01:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
57. If the state is her employer... |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 02:29 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. And if she is merely going to school? |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 02:58 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. If she is a minor pupil in a French public school... |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 03:02 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Not potential Hitlers |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 03:23 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Well, then let's pity all those American schoolgirls... |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-03 08:29 AM Response to Reply #67 |
75. Wow, what a strawman argument |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-03 02:30 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Oh |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-03 11:30 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Not everyone follows Christ |
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Frederic Bastiat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-03 11:47 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. You can point it out all you want |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-03 06:18 AM Response to Reply #81 |
85. Easy to do when they do this |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-03 04:49 AM Response to Reply #78 |
84. As usual you avoid the question |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-03 06:25 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. No rights are absolute |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-03 08:11 AM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Oh, it's all ego. Fascinating |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-03 10:44 AM Response to Reply #88 |
91. So much #$*&%&, so little time |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-03 11:04 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. France has a history of "abusing those who have religion?" |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-03 01:07 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. Just those who don't hold the popular choice |
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LeahMira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-03 10:28 AM Response to Reply #65 |
90. All schools have dress codes... |
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LeahMira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-03 01:50 PM Response to Reply #60 |
99. Wondering... |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 08:48 AM Response to Reply #30 |
49. Most of us are extremely troubled by the policy of assimilation as well. |
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LeahMira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 09:27 AM Response to Reply #30 |
52. I'm wondering, Paschall... |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 02:30 PM Response to Reply #52 |
61. None of the American comparisons are applicable |
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LeahMira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 03:27 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. Interesting... |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-03 11:05 AM Response to Reply #30 |
93. quote from the link: "(securalism) shall respect all beliefs" |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 08:03 AM Response to Reply #19 |
44. It puts a limit on free expression; hence the slippery slope . . . |
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chicaloca (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
23. I think it's ridiculous. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 08:07 AM Response to Reply #23 |
45. (standing up) Brava! clapclapclapcalpclap! |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 02:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
63. An interesting rant, though rather Americano-centric |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 03:00 AM Response to Original message |
27. good gracious, what goofy logic & ignorance of modern france |
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Frederic Bastiat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 09:42 AM Response to Reply #27 |
53. Best rebuttal so far |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 10:58 AM Response to Reply #27 |
54. Please explain why scarves on women are a threat but beards on men are not |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 03:32 PM Response to Reply #54 |
71. bearded men unlike scarved schoolgirls aren't primarily religious displays |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 02:10 PM Response to Reply #27 |
59. hmmm |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 03:26 PM Response to Reply #59 |
69. actually, i am the one insisting on varying degrees in place of absolutes |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 03:41 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. I'll grant you that however |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 03:48 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. clearly, you dont live in the south of france or you would reconsider. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-03 07:42 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Significant parts of Phoenix (quite significant) look very much like |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-03 11:38 AM Response to Reply #27 |
79. you have just illustrated the danger of the slippery slope |
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Vernunft (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 03:43 AM Response to Original message |
28. ... |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 03:49 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. ... deleted ... |
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dudeness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 04:17 AM Response to Original message |
31. I agree libpragmatist |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 04:45 AM Response to Original message |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 06:51 AM Response to Original message |
35. Agreed. |
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Frederic Bastiat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 06:53 AM Response to Original message |
36. You have to understand French immigration |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 07:07 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. So it is forced assimilation |
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Frederic Bastiat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 07:27 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Yes it is forced |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 08:13 AM Response to Reply #36 |
46. That's the bigger issue, but I disagree with the "assimilation" policy |
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Frederic Bastiat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-03 11:43 AM Response to Reply #46 |
80. Then don't immigrate to France! |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-03 06:27 AM Response to Reply #80 |
87. Interesting |
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BonjourUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-03 11:55 AM Response to Reply #46 |
82. I often recall these French stats |
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Enjolras (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 07:06 AM Response to Original message |
38. Don't the Turks do this already? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 08:17 AM Response to Reply #38 |
47. A woman doesn't have to be "fundamentalist" to wear a hajib |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 07:57 AM Response to Original message |
43. I couldn't agree more. Thanks. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
48. For those who see nothing wrong with the "assimilation" policy, |
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MrPrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
51. Bad move indeed... |
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grannylib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
55. I agree, the ban is a terrible idea. There is a huge difference between |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
66. What about elderly ladies? |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-03 03:26 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. What about them? |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-03 12:26 PM Response to Reply #68 |
94. civil service workplace |
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BonjourUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-03 12:46 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. hi ! |
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LeahMira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-03 12:50 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Never in my lifetime... |
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fishguy (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-03 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
101. Are you in France? |
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