CNN: IOWA Moving to Dean/Kerry Showdown

[WiseMen]

Candy Crowley reported some "campaign internal polls" that show
Kerry edging out Gephart in IOWA.

Has anyone heard rumors from "internal polls" on this topic?

Does anyone see a possibility of Kerry, not Gephart, beating Dean in IOWA?

A Dean vs. Kerry two man race would provide for a real debate that could help the party.

Clark has the money to be the not-Dean when the campaign goes South. But Clark is too much a novice Democrat for me to consider him an option.

[CalProf]

1. Boston Globe Poll

A Boston Globe Poll about to come out has

Dean 28

Kerry 24

Gephardt 23


That's all I know....

[pruner]

2. I think that's a Kerry campaign internal poll

n/t

[Closer]

5. It must be!!

LOL

There's NO way!


Of course, as of late, it's been hard to distinguish between the Boston Globe and the Kerry campaign. They're out for blood - Dean's.


Dean's ahead in Iowa by 10 points (give or take) in almost every recent poll I've seen.

[cindyw]

13. Boston Globe HATES Kerry. No way they would help him.

n/t

[Monte Carlo]

19. The Globe has been riding Kerry's ass for years.

About damn near everything. Somehow they felt it was Kerry's responsibility to do the journalism for them and say he wasn't Irish, for example.

[stickdog]

48. And they rode Gore's ass in 2000. (nt)

[Jerseycoa]

Wow

That's a battleground.

[newyawker99]

18. Hi CalProf!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[MaineDem]

37. Those are the numbers I got, too

I have the memo

[WilliamPitt]

3. Heard this a week or so ago

The game ain't over yet, folks.

[WiseMen]

9. Mr. Pitt. Does Kerry have money to continue. Heard only Dean and Clark

are getting money these days.

[WilliamPitt]

12. I haven't heard otherwise

but he will have enough to get past Iowa and New Hampshire, at the very least.

[IndianaGreen]

11. The game is over for Kerry

You are not going to get millions of antiwar voters, who are mostly independent, to vote for a prowar, pro-imperialist foreign policy candidate like John Kerry.

[WiseMen]

17. Even though Kerry has the highest Green Score among Major Candidates

[Monte Carlo]

21. It's all black and white, huh?

Prowar and antiwar? Causes of war are surely more complex than that, I would think.

[Jacobin]

54. Yeah, but Kerry's at 3% in South Carolina, so

he'll do great in the rest of the country.

:eyes:

BTW, Kerry's latest yapping about Dean and Dean not high fiving the Saddamorgasm, just finished Kerry off in my book.

Poof. Evaporated. Gone, I hope.

[flpoljunkie]

36. Kerry does indeed lead in union support, according to 12/8/03 Pew Poll

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=198

Gephardt leads Dean among union voters in Iowa, though he has not sewn up the labor vote. A quarter of union members rank Gephardt as their first choice, while 28% favor Kerry. One-in-five union members say Dean is their preference.

[Duder]

51. Which is why when it comes to a presidential primary

People should read William Mayer instead of William Pitt. :)

The leader of the last national Gallup poll before the Iowa caucuses wins the nomination.

[La_Serpiente]

4. Many people thought that Kerry didn't have a chance

His supporters will be motivated by this news.

But I do think that Kerry has some momentum going his way.

[Sensitivity]

15. Does he really. He doesn't seem to have much support in CA

[Sensitivity]

6. Would be great to have a debate with just the Major Candidates

[slinkerwink]

7. I'd prefer Kerry over Geppy to be in 2nd place

[La_Serpiente]

8. Wow

thanks :-) I hope he gets past Geppy.

[LuminousX]

20. Agreed, though Kerry is my second choice so not surprising on my end

[JNelson6563]

38. same here, I'd take Kerry over Gep

:-)

[in_cog_ni_to]

10. Excellent!

Go Kerry! :bounce::bounce:

[ClintonTyree]

14. Will Gephart..................

now start attacking Kerry with the same fervor that he has Dean? I can't see him going quietly into THIS good night. Watch out Kerry supporters, you'll be fending off not only Dean, but Gephart soon as well.

[mb7588a]

16. Gep and Kerry are pals,

from what I understand. I don't think they would ever go at each other's throats. At the end of the last debate, they immediately went to each other to shake hands. Always interesting to watch who hangs out with who right after the debates, and who goes right to the audience (In this case it was Edwards, followed by Kerry and Gep. Edwards also stayed near the audience the longest.)

[NewYorkerfromMass]

22. Kerry's playing to the heartland- and winning people over

Kerry's fighting strong for Iowa. This is great news.
Kerry represents what a LOT of moderates want. Iowa is the perfect place to see how he will be recieved by middle America.

[Sensitivity]

24. We need real indepth debate forums to really see the differences

[zulchzulu]

32. I totally agree

I'd like to see Gephardt, Kerry and Dean have at it in Iowa and Kerry and Dean in New Hampshire.

Time for some reality, not some event where we all wait for Sharpton zingers...

[bobthedrummer]

28. Dean is the frontrunner though in middle-America

eom

[HFishbine]

23. Great News!

With zero substantiation.




http://www.zogby.com

[JaneQPublic]

25. Further evidence to the contrary

http://www.surveyusa.com/currentelectionpolls.html
Dean - 42
Gep - 23
Kerry - 15

[Ficus]

26. no chance

Gephardt = union support
unions = 1/4 of caucus goers

[zulchzulu]

30. Kerry has union vote too

Many union votes as well as the Firefighters union, which will turn out the vote...

[Ficus]

40. in IA

The UAW in Waterloo for example is behind Gep. In this state, there are Firefighters, but most of the unions here are Gephardt.

[CMT]

27. no, not beating Dean in Iowa

but maybe beating Gep in Iowa. However, I still think that Gep will come in second. Most independent polls show Dean opening up a lead with Gep in second, but anything can happen.

[zulchzulu]

29. Recent Mellman poll number shows tight race

Dean 28%
Kerry 24%
Gephardt 23%
Edwards 10%
. . .

Kerry is on a roll.

From report:
"John Kerry is tied for second place in Iowa. And the fire lit by that state’s caucuses will have
huge repercussions for our campaign. While there are a variety of numbers coming out of New
Hampshire, history teaches us two things. First, the Iowa results can have a dramatic impact on
the New Hampshire vote. Second, exit poll data from New Hampshire primaries consistently
show that over 80% of voters decide for whom they are going to vote after January 1."

[HFishbine]

31. Link? Source?

???

[zulchzulu]

33. Soon...

The Globe should be publishing it today.

[HFishbine]

34. So

This was a poll paid for by the Kerry campaign?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

35. Well, if Kerry supporters looked only at the other polls

they'd just give up like Gore wants them to.

[Hep]

39. Won't be much of a showdown

They should give Kerry another purple heart for all the times he's shot himself in the foot so far. Then maybe he can get out of the campaign early like he got out of vietnam early.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

41. and Dean got out extra, extra, early.

in fact.....

[Hep]

42. Beats flip flopping:

"I wanna go shoot some gooks!"

Then

"War is HARD and DANGEROUS! I'm gonna see if this nick on my arm will get me an early discharge"

[MaineDem]

43. That's disrespectful

I don't know how old you are but it's hard to judge anyone's feelings about Vietnam unless you lived through it.

And your statement is just plain disrespectful.

[Hep]

44. Shucks

But it's so much fun to lower myself to the level of the dean haters.

Three purple hearts for kerry made him eligible for early discharge. Of his three injuries, he spent *2 DAYS* out of duty. His using those injuries as an excuse to leave the war is disrespectful to the people who sustained REAL injuries and lost their lives.

[HFishbine]

52. Hep

You're my pal, but I have to disagree with you on this one. Let's not stoop to the very level we despise. Rethink?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

45. Really. It's not like Kerry returned and did nothing about the war

It's absurd to criticise Kerry's wanting out.

[Jacobin]

55. Yeah. He came back, ran for Senate and started ANOTHER ONE

Thanks Kerry.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

57. Kerry is President?

I didn't see that..... gotta' link?

[blm]

59. Kerry helped END 3 wars.

Vietnam, Iran-Iraq (by ending the arms dealing) and the illegal wars in Central America by exposing them.

You remember the wars in central America, don't you? The illegal wars of Reagan and Bush that Dean refused to stand against because he had "mixed feelings"...that's the judgement Deanies trust?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

60. and he sure as hell didn't start this one

but some people insist on stretching things way too far.

[blm]

46. You should be ashamed of that post.

Kerry's men said he volunteered for every mission and risked his neck for others even when he didn't have to.

What do you base YOUR claims on? Or are you continuing the 30 year smear campaign against Kerry that started in the Nixon White House?

I guess you agree with Cheney that Kerry is a "conspiracy theory nut" too.

[Monte Carlo]

47. You gotta be f'ing kidding me...

Don't tell me that you've gone off the deep end, Hep.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

50. The fact is war is dangerous

and Kerry has done everything possible to avoid it WHILE looking out for America's best interests.

[Jacobin]

56. but but but, I thought Kerry liked the war now that Saddam was

captured.

Which way is it?

[MaineDem]

58. No one likes war

This is what John Kerry said about the capture of SH:

"This is a great day for U.S. forces, the Iraqi people, and the world. Capturing Saddam Hussein and ensuring that this brutal dictator will never return to power is an important step towards stabilizing Iraq for the Iraqis.

"Let’s also be clear: Our problems in Iraq have not been caused by one man and this is a moment when the administration can and must launch a major effort to gain international support and win the peace. We need to share the burden, bring in other countries, and make it clear to the world that Iraq belongs to the Iraqi people.

"Today is another opportunity to invite the world into a post-Saddam Iraq and build the coalition to win the peace that we should have built to win the war.”

[Cocoa]

49. This undermines the "anyone but Dean" theory

doesn't it?

I just got emailed an article from the Kerry campaign that quoted a union worker is bucking his union's Gep endorement and will be caucusing for Kerry.

Doesn't sound like everyone's ganging up on Dean.

[SoCalDem]

53. It must really suck to be Dick Gephardt

:(