have your heard about a video that shows us war crimes in afganistan

[KA]

this guys was telling me about this video that an x us officer made taht showed our guys boming civilans. he said he got it on kazaa . and that its going to be all over the news soon but the main stream media would not show it.


if u have this can you send it to me

i will give you my aol im or email adress.

thankyou

[KA]

1. it was on an a130

[IranianDemocrat]

3. I saw it.

It wasn't bombing civilians it was bombing taliban targets. You still see people getting blown away though through the gun cam.

[Must_B_Free]

2. DUers

be careful who you give you private contact info to.

[KA]

5. if i gave you my email adress could you email it to me

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

4. There is a video done by the CBC (Canadien station)

and it was narrated by an attorney for a human rights group..I no longer have the link, but I imagine someone here does...they weren't bombing civilians, in this video, they were shooting POW's.

[KA]

7. it might not be the same thing

it was in afganitan

and it was with missles from a plan

is this what you are thinking about

[economic justice]

6. And?

Just like the far left of DU to concern themselves with those poor victims in Afghanistan. Afghanistan, in my view, is MUCH different than Iraq. The Taliban were loony fundamentalist Islamic thugs. When it comes to fighting the Islamic radicals in Afghanistan, we can truly say:
REMEMBER 9-11. Talk about crimes!
edit: It was NOT civilians......

[KA]

9. i agree

but war crimes are war crimes

[arcane1]

10. the problem is, we are treating "taliban" and "suspicious" with the same g

and don't forget, it was what, last week, that we killed 9 Afghani kids, then the next day killed 6 more...

were THEY loony fundamentalist thugs too?


oh that's right, Afghanis don't love their children, I forgot

but on that weekend, most Americans were crying over the dead dog :(

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

13. YOu are going to target ALL of DU for a question posed by one person?

[jonnyblitz]

16. wow

yeah. kill every last man, woman, and child. I am sure they were all key in planning the attack. geesh :puke: :puke: :puke:

[economic justice]

23. Uh....Did I say that?

Throw up if you want, but you put words in my post. Read it again. I also didn't say ALL of DU....I specifically said the FAR LEFT at DU.

[arcane1]

26. problem is, just because Bush calls them Taliban means nothing

after all, if an raqi uses an RPG to kill members of an invading military, they are called "terrorists"


the video itself says nothing about who these people are...

and I'm sure if innocent Americans were involved, or American tropps, you may feel differently...

[arcane1]

I can't tell what/who they are

how did you find out what the targets were? They identify a mosque but nothing lse really...

[greatauntoftriplets]

18. The vast majority of the Afghani people had nothing to do with the Taliban

They were -- and are -- innocent victims. Just people trying to live their lives.

[economic justice]

25. Agreed

The Afghan mission is against the TALIBAN. Yes, there have been mistakes. That happens. That doesn't excuse it, it's only a fact. Is there anyone here at DU would be happier with the Taliban in power? The far left is SOOO loud here at DU. But I am confident most DUers stand with me on this issue.

[greatauntoftriplets]

27. I am far left.

:shrug:

[arcane1]

8. ah yes, the gunship video

I have it, got it on new years eve 2002. It's app 5.6 meg. Not 100% sure it's civilains but it sure ain't people fighting. What I found most interesting is their use of super-expensive guided bombs/missiles to take out individuals

seems kinda wasteful to me...

pm me your email and I'll try to send it, though it could be too large for some servers...

[KA]

11. how do i pm

also do you have aol

i dont care who has my sn

[cirej2000]

15. They should've flown it into a mosque?

That's what Al Quaeda might've done. Much more efficient, yes. But I don't like the waste of life..

[SlavesandBulldozers]

19. i have seen the video

This video has been around a while. It's not guided bombs. Those are modified howitzers on the side of an ac130 gunship. The video shows the targeting reticle, what the gunner is watching essentially. There is audio, too, of the entire crew. The crew are professional throughout, confirming the targets and areas to avoid firing before firing - mentioning specifically a mosque as an area to avoid. Incidentally, ac130 also strikes a cave immediately adjacent to the town, where individuals can be seen hiding.

See for yourself.

http://www.megacity.org/blog/archives/000155.php

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

12. Here:

http://www.factsofisrael.com/en/files/ac130-gunship-afghanistan.wmv

IMHO the real case for possible war crimes in Afghanistan is the massacre near Mazar-i-Sharif, but I've heard f-all about any follow up after the initial reaction to Jamie Doran's documentary "Massacre in Mazar":

http://www.democracynow.org/afghanfilm.shtml

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

14. The Doran documentary is the one I was recalling

[KA]

17. thankyou this is what i wanted

but can i save it to my hard drive

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

22. Right clink the link in my post

click on "Save Target as" (or whatever your browser says) and then choose where you want to download it -- then voila!

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

20. Aside from "Democracy Now",

did it ever get an airing in the States? Over here, it was relegated to "Channel 5", which - although a terrestrial station it's reputation is basically crap - gave it a real minority audience. The story only generated press when the Afghan cameraman (who got kidnapped & beaten after viewing a film showing US soldiers present at the scene of the massacre) won the "Rory Peck" award for that documentary, plus the scenes at the Mazar-i-Sharif prison uprising.

[arcane1]

21. even better, thanks!

:toast:

[KA]

24. thankyou

[Emillereid]

28. I got this strange message when I clicked on the link --

anyone know what it means?

[Emillereid]

29. When I clicked on the link I got the following message:

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /en/files/ac130-gunship-afghanistan.wmv on this server.




Apache/1.3.28 Server at www.factsofisrael.com Port 80

Any body know what it means?