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cryofan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 05:32 PM
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graphical political compass of all candidates
Displays all 9 candidates on a cartesian coordinate graph system where the axes are Left to Right, and Authoritarian to Libertarian.


http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/usprimaries.html

Can someone else please code up that graph to display it? Is that appropriate here?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 05:38 PM
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1. someone ought to get permission
to save it and post it from their own site. Wouldn't want to steal PC's bandwidth.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 05:40 PM
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2. I thought this had been posted before
for some reason I've seen this graph posted here before. It's still rather telling, however.
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dae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 05:43 PM
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3. Bush should be off the graph, he looks almost centrist.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 10:23 AM
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22. he is almost centrist
n/t
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 05:45 PM
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4. I read somewhere
That candidates don't actually do the answering on this survey, so you're left with an analysis of public statements, but not every statement on every issue is taken into account, so the interpretation is loose.


:dem:
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 05:50 PM
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5. Bush's public statements are more centrist
His actions are to the right of Hitler.

I'd like to see the chart made based on actual votes on bills and actions taken. THAT would tell a different story.

FUCK BUSH Buttons, Stickers & Magnets
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 06:16 AM
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13. don't listen to what he says
you have to watch what he does...

unlike his father - this bush*'s lips move in several different directions at the same time

His MO is to move his lips to the center during election periods, then jump back to the far-right
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 10:50 AM
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24. if this is so why are so many righties pissed at him ?
they are not happy about this medicare drugs as only one example.

he has done very little that is far right. not nearly enough to suit the right.
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DinkyDem Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 09:09 AM
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19. The Left-Right scale on this chart = Socialist vs. Capitalist
So don't get too excited, that just means Bush believes in the free market and "neo-liberal" economics more than Hitler did.

All the neccessary analysis info is on the website.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 05:56 PM
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6. pretty dumb assessment, that all serious dems are right wingers
very, very dumb
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 04:30 AM
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11. That's my own thoughts
Not a very good assessment.
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durutti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 09:09 AM
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18. Things to consider
This chart was created by Britons.

The range of political debate in the United States is considerably narrower than that in Europe. So, taking *all* viewpoints into consideration, Democrats *are* right-wing.

Your criticism amounts to "I don't like it, therefore it's wrong." Great logic.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 06:00 PM
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7. Idiotic; it has Edwards farthest right and most authoritarian of them all
The only candidates who are to the left of Edwards are Kucinich, Sharpton and Mosely-Braun.

Edwards, Gephardt and Kerry are clustered in the middle of the group, and definitely left of center.

Lieberman is farthest right, with Dean and Clark more or less equivalent.

This is absolutely ridiculous.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 06:02 PM
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8. I don't think so
It seems pretty accurate to me, except that Bush should be off the charts based on his actions rather than his rhetoric.
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library_max Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 07:22 PM
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9. This graph proves nothing.
Ask yourself this question - how did the people who made the graph decide exactly where to locate the X and Y axes? Where is their political "center" if all but two of the Democratic candidates are "right"?
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Kerridwyn Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:30 AM
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12. Economic right
Their "right" is judged by economic policy. Few of the Democrats are seriously standing up against NAFTA or corporate welfare, are supporting major tax increases for the wealthiest people, so that moves them over to the right.

I believe this is a European site, so their perspective is wider than American politics; although that does not necessary make them more accurate!
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:16 AM
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14. Here's the image



(For those who want to point to an image: right-click it and choose 'save image address'. Then paste it into your post, not the address of the page on which it resides)
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:59 AM
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15. Maybe it's on a log scale? :-)
That might make it a bit more accurate.
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DinkyDem Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 09:04 AM
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16. That is why I say ONLY Sharpton and Kucinich
are acceptable candidates.
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cryofan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 09:06 AM
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17. can someone explain why Kerry is where he is on the graph?
Interesting that he was once the frontrunner in this race, and is also the most liberal-libertarian of the front running candidates.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 09:34 AM
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20. Have you taken the test for yourself?
It's easier to understand if you've done it personally.

I can tell you that a lot of folks do not land where they expect to.

My bro-in-law expected to be up by Margaret Thatcher because he is a hard religious right person. BUT, he believes in shutting down Nafta and securing public funding for museums, so that yanked him back toward the center. (Boy was he ever disappointed. *lol*)

My husband took the test last week, and it surprised me that he landed almost on the intersection of the lines, because I thought he might turn up more towards right-libertarian. (Doesn't believe homosexuality is ok, but also doesn't believe in seatbelt laws, hence my prediction.)

He wouldn't let me peek over his shoulder as he took it, though, so I have no idea what his answers were on most things.

And then, weirdly enough, he took the smartselect presidential quiz and wound up with Kucinich as his top candidate followed by Dean. (Now me, I love Dennis, though he comes out a bit North East of where I am on the grid. *g*)

Go figure!

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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 10:10 AM
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21. kerry has a record
of supporting progressive causes. those who have followed him are not surprised by it.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 10:56 AM
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25. Kerry has a long record as a reliable (if very conventional) Liberal
From the invasion-and-massacre vote forward, his advisors have been trying to create a much more right-wing image for him. They bought into the same stupid lies ('the US is conservative!!') that are bruted about here at DU by a certain ugly element. But trying to play DLCer is so against his record and (presumably!) nature that I've not the slightest doubt it's responsible for his pathetic showing during this campaign. Only psychopaths can be one thing last week and claim to be something else this week. In healthy people, it makes a mess of their heads.
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msmcghee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 10:46 AM
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23. Ignore
Edited on Sat Dec-13-03 11:16 AM by msmcghee
Got it figured out.
Thanks
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 11:12 AM
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26. It's odd because when I took that test I am in the Sharpton/Kucinich
quadrant. And while I like both of them a lot, I'm a staunch Clark supporter. I don't believe this is representative of many candidates. For example, Clark's position on social issues is very liberal, while Kucinich has strong tendencies toward being pro-life.
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msmcghee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 11:14 AM
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27. Reality check.
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