Dean supporters please read this article.

[chaska]

I know you guys want the best for the country. I appreciate your loyalty to, and enthusiasm for, your candidate. But please consider carefully whether Dean is the right man to oust Bush. Thank you for your attention to the following. http://www.freetimes.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=713

[Khephra]

1. "the certain disaster of a Dean candidacy"?

Not a biased piece in the slightest.

[matcom]

3. you know Keph its funny

remember '92? Clinton was the sacraficial lamb for the Dems. there was NO WAY he (or anyone) could beat BushI

NO WAY!

how soon the DLC sheeple forget history

:eyes:

[Khephra]

11. What I find funny is that many of the same people

who have been screaming at the idea that it's inevitable that Dean gets the nomination are some of the exact same people that have been saying (for much, much longer) that it's inevitable that Dean will fail.

Cassandras, Cassandras, everywhere we turn.

;-)

[matcom]

13. LOL

your right.

what i can't figure out is why i don't see Lieberman avatars everywhere as far right as much of this place has moved over the last month or so.

:eyes:

[Patriot_Spear]

21. Same people who lost the House, the Senate and surrendered the White House

Fuck 'em. I'll make up my own mind.

[Cassandra]

43. There is only one of me, really

and I support Dean (while being firmly ABB). ;-)

[JPJones]

26. Bill Clinton was a good friend of mine

and Howard Dean, you are no Bill Clinton.

[matcom]

27. wow! such enlightenment!

and only with FOUR posts!

[polpilot]

33. No....he's no Clinton. Dean arrives with no baggage and brilliant skills.

Dean, The New Democratic Leader of The NEW Democratic Party, opposed the bombing of innocents, as Clinton stood with Tony the Whore promoting death and destruction of OUR less fortunate brothers 8,500 miles away. There's a difference for sure.

Dean '04...Leader of The American Revolution: The Sequel

[PVnRT]

35. Oh, that's cute

Bill Clinton was a good friend of yours? Surrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre....

[ibegurpard]

2. read, considered, and rejected

It's just another opinion, no more...no less.

[bleedingheart]

4. But a recently switched Democrat who raised money for republicans

isn't a disaster?

Sorry but let the voters decide in the primaries.

[T Roosevelt]

5. OK - to be fair - you read this one

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1104370,00.html

[eileen_d]

6. I don't think Dean supporters are going to change their minds

In other words: "It's tooo late baaaaby, now it's too laaaate..."

[Skidmore]

7. Clark and Dean are my top two choices....

I'd like to see the two of them sit down at some point and for the good of the country pool their resources. I don't care who heads that particular ticket. AND, the resulting elected team should divvy up the work, because, lord knows, there is so much to be addressed now. Give Clark foreign policy to work on and let Dean address the domestic agenda. We need both of them.

[Skidmore]

8. Clark and Dean are my top two choices....

I'd like to see the two of them sit down at some point and for the good of the country pool their resources. I don't care who heads that particular ticket. AND, the resulting elected team should divvy up the work, because, lord knows, there is so much to be addressed now. Give Clark foreign policy to work on and let Dean address the domestic agenda. We need both of them.

[Upfront]

9. I read it

and I say, poop.

[mhr]

10. So Chaska, You Think That a Corporate Loving DLC Shill Is Better?

Look at how Clark has earned a living since leaving the military.

How, as a flak for the corporations.

Is this what you want the Democratic party to be, just another arm of corporate Amerika?

I emailed the Clark campaign on overseas outsourcing of good middle class American jobs. The reply was a non-answer that leads one to believe that Clark supports the loss of good American jobs. This is perfectly consistent with his background as a hired corporate gun.

It all fits together!

[eileen_d]

15. GodDAMN that Clark for working for a living!

I don't like the dominance of corporations in American life and politics either... but to damn someone for working for a corporation in 2003 is just silly.

Why don't you post the "non-answer" you received from the Clark campaign so we can judge it for ourselves?

[papau]

23. Many good liberals have lived off of the teat of corporate America

like me!

:-)

[LuminousX]

12. Thanks for sharing but,

This is an uninformed article. Bringing a medical file to a medical review is not bringing a suitcase full of "proof" (notice the quote marks which are used to imply that the x-rays and medical file are not legitimate... poor rhetoric). Dean is allowing an independent third party to review his sealed records. Dean does want to rescind Bush's tax cuts so he and Congress can pass real tax reform legislation.

I would have no problem voting for Clark, but as a matter of principle, especially during the primary, I cannot back a person who has never held an elected office before, especially a person who is coming from a military position. If my support of Dean were to waver, I would jump ship to Kerry first, not Clark.

[opihimoimoi]

24. Right Wing rubbish, so it seems.

Is the Rove Machine invincible?? Of course not. Powerful, flush with big bucks and success, he and his henchmen will be difficult for sure.

But Dean will kill these guys with his attacks and style. He is doing it now and the GOP are going nuts with worry. The 99 percenters are coming and the rich 1 percent see it.

[molly]

14. Very good article

The following is a for sure -

"But the election of 2004 is going to be an all-out war with the Republicans bringing out the heaviest artillery we've ever seen.

[liberalmuse]

16. Poop.

n/t

[Guaranteed]

17. Did you happen to see this part?

"But you can bet that Rove & Company will acknowledge that the feisty Vermonter really does deserve credit for the swell job he did of tapping, via the Internet, into the armchair rage of a bunch of anti-American Bush-haters."

Dean supporters are "a bunch of anti-American Bush-haters." Does this guy still have credibility with you?

[PVnRT]

36. He lost credibility

with the "disaster of a Dean candidacy" part. That statement only adds to my incredulity that anyone takes this garbage seriously.

[rustydog]

18. Good post, no facts....a columnists opinion

Obviously one you agree with.
Does not make it right or the truth.

And that is MY opinion.

P.S. I am very impressed with Clark and haven't made up my mind yet, but Newspaper editorials do not make good arguement backers...unless there are footnotes to back the writers assertions. In this opinion piece...it is only an opinion and conjecture that is posted and that is all. Not a very convincing arguement to forget Dean and jump on the Clark Bandwagon.

[Guaranteed]

20. A bad opinion, too.

Look at my post above.

Oops. Whoever posted this thread didn't read very carefully.

[Patriot_Spear]

19. Spare me...

If I want propaganda I'll read Karl Rove. You tell the general to do an about face, I'll look him up when I want him.

[LizW]

22. I appreciate your seemingly sincere effort to enlighten Dean supporters

but, Christ, is this the best article you could find? Do you not see the evident bias and the inflammatory language there?

I'm willing to listen to every coherent argument put forth by Clark supporters as to why I should switch my support from Dean to Clark. This doesn't cut it. It doesn't even come close. I figure if someone has a really convincing argument, they don't have to puff it up with biased rhetoric like this guy does.

[demnan]

25. Just because someone is a former General

doesn't mean they are any more effective in a political fight than someone who has been a governor of a state for a decade.

Did Eisenhower curtail the excesses of McCarthy? Was he good at controlling the right wing?

No, clearly not. As a general he was not ideally suited to political battles. Would Clark fair better. It remains to be seen.

The whole premis of the article is clearly wrong.

[dkf]

28. Tweety said it best:

Dean is a fighter. The rest look like they're running for student council. In addition the man is intense and driven and he works way harder than any candidate I've ever seen.

I love Dean's pugnacious attitude. I love that he wants to punch George Bush in the nose. I love that he is smart and he did an excellent job in Vermont. I love that he was able to come from nowhere and get huge endorsements like SEIU, AFSCME and Al Gore through plain old pursuasiveness.

The man was even able to impress Stephen Moore of the Club for Growth who is freaked out enough to run ads against Dean.

I believe that Howard Dean has a very deft touch when it comes to one on one relations and retail politics. That is why I think he has the best personal skills to get the world on board to help us out in Iraq.

I love this man and the only way I will be swayed from his side is if he does something I just cannot stand - which I do not foresee ever happening.

In addition, I think he can win it all because he is not afraid to expose the emperor and he has a positively withering tongue, if he cares to use it. The man knows how to use language.

Your bland arguments of electability do nothing for me. I want a champion who can win, and I have found one.

Go Dean!

BTW, getting numerous comments congratulating me for my guys endorsement by Gore. I was following Dean when he was a long-shot and they were laughing at me then. Now, they begin to get it.

[truthspeaker]

29. all the criticisms in that article are old news

If you're going to ask us to "please read this article", it better be an article that has criticisms of Dean that haven't already been dismissed.

Tax increases: Dean says he wants to repeal the Bush tax cut only for Americans who make more than $100,000 per year. Personally I think that's too low (I also think Clark's $200,000 is too low), but it's not the Mondale-style tax increase the writer claims.

No national security experience: he has exactly as much national security and foreign policy experience as Bush did in 2000.

Draft dodging: didn't have legs with Clinton, didn't even get mentioned about Bush. If Rove brings it up Dean can bring up Bush's AWOL experience.

Counterargument: Clark (who, BTW, is my #2 choice) has never held political office and has little political experience. Running an army is a LOT different from running a government. Clark is used to giving orders, not cajoling consensus out of legislators.

Come back when you have something new.

[pansypoo53219]

30. maybe we should pay this much attention

TO THE FUCKING CHIMP THAT IS TEN TIMES WORSE AND IS DRAGGING THE COUNTRY INTO A CESS POOL.

ABB ABB ABB ABB ABBABBABBABBABBABBABB

ABB!

[AntiCoup2K4]

31. Uh, I don't see an article here...

..Just an obviously biased edititorial from a Clarkie. Nothing wrong with that, but I read enough of them here everyday, and you guys haven't changed my mind yet.

[HuckleB]

32. Another day of Dean bashing at DU?

I should have expected it, I suppose. I woke up with hope for a positive discussion. Not sure why I had hope, but I did. The gang mentality that is taking over the Dem primary race is most depressing.

[otohara]

37. But It's OK to Bomb TV Stations in Kosovo

aside from Dennis Kucinich, there isn't one of these candidates who hasn't done something offensive.

[HuckleB]

40. OK.

I suspect that's a stretch of a statement to go for the emotional punch, but that's what GD is all about anymore, isn't it. I never said any candidate was innocent. I've called most of them, including Dean, on negative campaign items. In terms of bashing, however, the Dean bashing, while expected to an extent, is well out of bounds. It's to point of goofiness.

[otohara]

41. Totally Agree

with you HuckleB - I should have posted at the bottom vs in reply to your post - all the bashing going on is a real turn off.

[PVnRT]

34. Yeah, good, objective analysis there

If you're going to post an article about why Dean may not beat Bush, get one written by someone who doesn't mention in the first paragraph the "certain disaster of a Dean candidacy" without giving any kind of support for that statement.

If it's a disaster, tell us why. And "Clark is the better candidate" is not a reason why.

[shanti]

38. sorry, but i made up my mind on dean months ago

i want him for president and i'm NOT changing my mind.

[helleborient]

39. Usual attack politics...

Zero references to any actual statistics or demographics.

Zero indication of any one specific they are speaking to.

No legitimacy.

Dean is proving he can run a successful national campaign...there is no clear indication that can't be turned into a winning campaign against Bush.

Neither McGovern nor Dukakis had the fundraising prowess combined with numbers of grassroots supporters doing actual work. The comparison is moot.

[Myra]

42. Interesting column, thanks.

It's nice to see something written about General Clark that isn't
an orchestrated smear from the right wing.