video ; Marines executing an Iraqi prisoner , cheering

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5365.htm

[La_Serpiente]

1. Geezus

Pardon my swearing, but now every single terrorist in the world will come to Iraq to join in the Jihad against the Americans.

[Andy_Stephenson]

2. It is sad when

someone's death is cheered.

this makes me sick!

[nostamj]

3. "that felt good, let's do it again"

grim. very very grim.

[ieoeja]

21. Depends

What was he talking about when he said, "that felt good, let's do it again?"

1. Obviously his comments were edited. While this could have been something as simple as editing out obscenities, ...

2. The CNN ticker would have flowed uninterrupted while they were airing previously edited comments. In this it did not which probably explains why:

2a. There is no link to the source, and
2b. no date is given. I would surely love to see CNN's version of this instead of the cut and paste version these people assembled.

[BootinUp]

4. Highly Disturbing

This is what happens when we put good young men into a very bad situation with the wrong mission, and there is no end in site....

[truthspeaker]

18. and hop them up on speed

[TrueAmerican]

5. It is disturbing. But why was it edited?

Looking at the CNN ticker, it jumps near the end. Is there a reason behind this editing?

[meow mix]

6. gah!

he looked real threatening.. laying there on the ground dying.
(amazed that was a cnn vid)

[maddezmom]

7. that is a reality check :(

[thebigidea]

8. USA USA USA! HOooooooooooooOOOoooooooooooo!

Support the troops! USA! USA! USA!

[SlavesandBulldozers]

9. didn't look like an execution to me

and it looked completely removed from its context. Was the man armed It is disturbing. Notice that page is linked to Al Jazeera. Looks like Propaganda.

[thebigidea]

13. notice its from CNN. "looks like Propaganda" indeed.

[ieoeja]

24. And check out the CNN ticker.

Either CNN added the ticker before editing the video for airing then ended up cutting up their ticker ... or someone cut and pasted the original video as it aired on CNN.

And you know perfectly well the first option did not happen.

[thebigidea]

26. like when CNN plays Al-Jazeera footage.

[DuctapeFatwa]

14. It is a CNN video. It will run on international but not domestic

CNN and Al Jaz have a limited resource-sharing agreement.

You may not be aware that Al-Jaz is now somewhat "discredited" in the rest of the world for having bowed to US pressure on a number of issues, after having had some personnel murdered, others disappeared, and their offices bombed twice.

Today the ones who call Al-Jaz stuff "propaganda" are the "other side."

[Tinoire]

59. Ever notice DU pages are linked are Rush and Free Republic?

I don't quite understand your point. Did the fact that it is linked to Al Jazeera (since apparently this is a video Arabs would be most interested, and rightfully so, in seeing) excuse the gusto? Excuse the "hell yes"?

What you're probably seeing here is bored soldiers not getting enough shoot-em up action, tired, angry at being deprived of their material comforts, far away from the people they care about... Who's to know if that man wasn't just target practice? It's the joy they're taking in this that leaves me open to those possibilities.

I'm glad you think it's disturbing because it is indeed! What are we going to do with these kids when they come home? There is practically no counselling available for them (because there are NO funds for that). How do they transition back to 'normal' life and walk among us?

I do not begrudge them the killing as much as the joy they took in it- and on film at that! It's not like they were filmed surreptiously. That's the most disturbing part- that to them this is nothing to be ashamed of, nothing grave, just something to celebrate. That part was most definitely in context.

Nobody yelled for those soldiers or inserted a commentary... I don't see how you can dismiss it as propaganda- unless you're saying it's a fake.

[TexasPatriot]

10. my god

I'm sure it happens more a lot more often than the one time a camera happened to be in the right place at the right time to catch it.

Reminded me of the scene from the frontline show, where the US went in, shot up a neighborhood killing a number of civilians - then came over and asked if any of the people they'd killed were combatants (of course, they werent).

Leadership comes from the top. If the president makes that case that might makes right, and advances the concept that violence is not only an acceptable way to solve problems - but is a preferred method - then how can we help but get soldiers who act like this.

I think there's a deep rooted rot in this country these days, and sometimes I think our bitching over the question of Howard or Wesley or Dennis really distracts us from it.

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11. dont know why

I just found it on that site .

[The White Rose]

12. Sickening. But sadly unsurprising.

These are kids believing themselves invincible and drilled to dehumanize the enemy.

"As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods, they kill us for their sport."

[JailBush]

15. How did that video get released?

It's a little hard to believe, though I'm sure that even worse things happen daily. That's why I don't support the troops; I don't support anyone doing George Bush's bidding.

[theboss]

16. I have no idea what I am looking at

I see explosions of some kind in the background. So I assume this was some sort of firefight. And the US troops shot the guy on the ground.

What's the problem? That people get killed in firefights?

[Aidoneus]

17. "hell ya! that was awesome! let's do it again!"

It was an execution of a man already wounded, and these animals got off on it. What's the problem? :eyes:

[theboss]

19. No volume at work

So, I didn't hear that. But I still don't know the context of what I was looking at. How was he wounded?

[Aidoneus]

25. ok

the audio, roughly transcribed as best as I can make it out--

CNN voice: ...wounded, another Iraqi writhes on the ground. The Marines kill him. <shots> Then cheer. <cheering noises bordering on orgasmic>

one Marine: ...like man, these guys are dead now, you know, but it was a good feeling. <CNN edit> ...afterwards, you're like, "hell ya! that was awesome! let's do it again!"

[jokerman93]

42. That is not THIS war

That is ANY war.

War is savage, murderous, and utterly depersonalizing. That is why civilized nations believe war must be only only only the last resort. These young men are weapons.

And that is also why George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld et al are murderers and "genociders" (to coin a term a la Emperor Punchy).

[Tinoire]

60. Editing since I just read TheBoss had no volume. n/t

[BootinUp]

20. So

You don't think they knew they were shooting at a wounded man who was essentially combat ineffective?

[mrfrapp]

22. Geneva Convention

The Geneva Convention protects the battle wounded. It's impossible to say though if this incident is a violation of the convention as we are given no background information. For example, the video makes it look as though the Marines were simply shooting at a wounded soldier, but for all we know, this is the culmination of a firefight where such action would be justified (not the cheering though. I don't like that).

[theboss]

34. Any number of things could be happening here

Maybe they approached him once and he fired at them. Maybe another wounded man was booby-trapped. Maybe this was a nasty fight that had lasted hours.

And maybe it's a war crime.

But the way it is presented is not helpful.

[HFishbine]

41. Okay

You have a point. He could have had explosives attached to his body and a detonator in his hands. We'll probably never know.

[mrfrapp]

49. That's right

Even though I was shocked, even outraged when I originaly saw the video I forced myself to analyse it rationally. The unfortunate fact is this: the video as it's presented, is possibly misleading. It may be that our initial reaction is correct -- needless violence -- but we simply aren't given enough information to come to that conclusion. I therefore don't believe we can comment further; and that upsets me :-(

[jokerman93]

43. Geneva Convention is so "Old Europe"

This administration has demonstrated it believes the Geneva Convention is as irrelevant as the U.N.

[mrfrapp]

51. True

I mentioned the Geneva Convention with a heavy heart, knowing that it has thus far proved irrelevent to the actions of the incumbant administration. But none-the-less, I don't know how else to judge the actions of the military. The fact that the actions in Iraq have so far made a mockery of the GC doesn't negate it's wisdom and so long as we recognise its authority we have a weapon with which we can attack the manner in which this "war" is being fought.

The GC may or may not apply in this instance but I'm damn sure it has been breached in the recent past.

[qanda]

23. That was utterly disturbing!!!!!!!

That was on CNN? Where is the outrage from this MURDER!!!!!

[BringEmOn]

27. Just emulating der Fuhrer

"Bring 'em on" "Feels good!"

[alfredo]

28. The video doesn't work

will check back later

[RebelOne]

30. Won't work for me either. Said I needed a plug-in.

When I clicked to get the plug-in, got message that no plug-ins were listed.
Maybe it's because I'm using a Mac. Somebody keep this kicked up for me till after 4:30 so I can find it when I get home to my PC.

[Aidoneus]

40. try downloading this directly

rightclick>save-as this link, or Mac's equivalent of that.

The file is made for Microsoft's Windows Media Player, it is perhaps so that it won't work for others..

[alfredo]

55. Thanks, I found it for Quicktime, much higher quality

image, as if I really wanted to see them kill an injured man.

[G_j]

29. Hold on to your humanity, An Open Letter to GIs in Iraq

http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/what/latest.html#openletter031115

An Open Letter to GIs in Iraq, by Stan Goff

Dear American serviceperson in Iraq,
...more...
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[DinahMoeHum]

31. Woo boy! "White Boots Marching In A Yellow Land" redux. . .

"Blow them from the forest and burn them from your sight
Tie their hands behind their back and question through the night
But when the firing squad is ready they’ll be spitting where they stand
At the white boots marching in a yellow land"

- Phil Ochs

:nuke:

[HFishbine]

32. GENEVA CONVENTION

A clear violation of the Geneva convention.

[Yupster]

33. How do you know he's a prisoner?

He just looks like a wounded guy in no mans land to me?

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45. suppose he was a wounded American and Iraqis had the M16

It would be everywhere you looked at in media. Since its this way, the American Whore press looks away. I hate to say it but we have become a country being run by propaganda. Even Media has bought into it.

[Yupster]

54. That may very well be true, but

it doesn't make this guy a prisoner. I can't tell if he's a wounded fighter caught in no man's land, or a civilian, but he sure doesn't look like a prisoner. Remember the police chief of Saigon killing the prisoner during Tet. That's what executing a prisoner looks like. The guy was tied up and held by the police when he was killed.

[RPG-7]

35. The same people who stick up for this thing

Are going to be the same people who are absolutely positive they saw an Iraqi shoot a prisoner of war dead on a video even though you will have to make them watch the video to make them realize they imagined that they saw it when all they saw was a dead US soldier who had been shot in the head and the talking head government propagandist saying they "may" have been captured for no concrete reason at all.

[OneBlueSky]

36. Americans don't do that! . . .

at least, that's what I was always taught . . . that Americans were compassionate, and would never open fire on an obviously disabled enemy, kill him, and then cheer about it . . . unfortunately, in today's America, it's likely that half of the people seeing this on CNN (were it ever to run in this country) would be cheering right along with those soldiers . . . it seems that every day something else happens that makes me ask "What are we doing? What have we become?" . . . and I fear the answer . . .

[IranianDemocrat]

37. I wanna see the footage before that scene.

It never says that the guy is a prisoner.

[G_j]

38. even if he wasn't

it looks like he could have been taken prisoner, if he wasn't killed. He certainly doesn't look like a threat to anyone.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

39. Doesn't work for me. But, I remember My-lai.

And the apologists for that and other atrocities.

Sleep well, Gephardt, Kerry, Edwards and Lieberman. Your vote is helping to "liberate" Iraqis.

[Malva Zebrina]

44. the link won't work for me

but judging from the posts of those for whom it did work--my question is who actually shot this?

[creativelcro]

46. Does not work for me either...

Could it be fake ? have not seen it...

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47. It had a CNN byline on the bottom

It shows a obviously wounded Iraqi laying on his side, He slowly raises his hand as if to show he is still alive, suddenly shots are fired and the ground around the wounded man goes up in puffs of dust as the bullets are pounding the dirt , a round hits the man and he slouches over dead. You can here whoops from soldiers as they realize he was hit and killed.
Then the tape goes to a man being interveiwed who expresses glee in the act, saying "Damn , lets do it again."

[bpilgrim]

48. here is a QuickTime mov ------------------------------- LINK

http://globalfreepress.net/movs/iraq/iraq_execution
(there is a light weight one up there for modem users but the audio sucks)

peace

[Uzybone]

50. I dunno about this video man

first of all we dont know where the kill shot came from. Second we dont know if that GI (if he is a GI) was talking about this incident. I find it hard to believe they would allow this to be captured on video. Now I do believe they probably have executed some folks. But that theyd let it be on video? Hmmmm...

Also the ticker...its clearly a US CNN ticker...with talk about Jimmy Kimmel and an "Inrun" rap CD. But its never been shown here. Why is that?

[Fuzz]

52. I saw that on CNN

It was in an hour long special on Iraq about a month or two ago.

[IranianDemocrat]

53. Did they say anything on who the guy was?

And what the situation was?

[alfredo]

56. That guy at the end is a future Timothy McVeigh N/T

Someday these guys will come home and re enter our society. Think about that.

[Djinn]

57. what sort of people sign up for combat duty

the adventurous patriots - the poor and uneducated looking for paid work and also unfortunately the gung ho sociopaths who like the idea of get to kill people and blow things up. If you then take those people and put them in a situation where the rules of engagement are regularly broken with the approval of the administration and chaos is rife it's hardly surprising that some of them turn into mini saddams themselves. It's not like this is a new phenomenon or even something that can be directly attributed to shrub (although he did put them there) teenage girls in Vietnamese villages and German women post 1945 can tell you all about it

[Robin Hood]

58. Doesn't that break international laws?

Now I remember why people hated the Vietnam vets. How quickly we forget the horrors of war. I can't wait for these war criminals to come back home and shoot the fucking place up. Thanks Bush.