Wow! "Civil Wars"..."Angry Candidates"..."Fired-Up (Liberal) Base"!

[matcom]

my my. this place gets more interesting by the day.

I've been here a long time. Through the good and the bad. Sat up with DUers through tough votes, lousy elections, national tragedies. Was sitting with a fellow DUer in a restaurant the MINUTE "Shock and Awe" started.

Fellow DUers have joined me on street corners to hand out "Liberal Flyers", held upside down American Flags and traveled with me 300 miles to march on the White House. We have collectively stayed up all night to listen to CSPAN and openly CHEERED when the likes of Robert Byrd, Ted Kennedy and Paul Wellstone have stopped proceedings to PROTEST, rant, rave and expouse our Liberal values. We have screamed bloody murder twords the likes of Trent Lott, Rush Limbaugh and Tom Delay. We have cheered in victory and wept in defeat. Together.

Now, we speak not of Liberal values, we do not talk about stopping the war, we hardly post about civil disobedience. We are no longer taking into consideration the fact that Bush has pissed off the Military, Unions, Teachers, California, Nevada, Florida, "True Fiscal Conservatives", etc...etc...etc...

A year ago much of our conversation centered around public apathy and media complacents. We called for Terry McCauliff's head on a platter, Tom Daschel's "pink tutu" and Gephardt when he stood holding hands with the deserter in chief after drafting the documents that would ensure open-ended pre-emptive perpetual war.

We SCREAMED. We CURSED. We CRIED.

Now, we "worry" about a Democratic "Civil War", "Angry Candidates" and "Outsider Campaigns".

I say: "BRING 'EM ON"

I say: "'BOUT TIME"

This thread is not meant to necessarily be "Pro-Dean" (although I am on record as being totally JAZZED by his campaign). I also will challenge ANYONE to dig up any disparaging comments I have made directly at any other candidate (save for Joe Lieberman). I do not make a habbit out of candidate bashing and will SUPPORT whomever is lucky enough to challenge Bush (note: Lieberman does NOT count, sorry). Dean appears to be engaging people of ALL STRIPES to vote, some for the first time; to donate, not just to his run but to other Dems across the country; tapped into the INTERNET ACTIVISTS (if you are reading this, you ARE one), and built a national campaign at the GRASS ROOTS LEVEL. do i support 100% of his positions? nope. do I think that Dean is the one to crush the DLC and the Republican Wing of the Democratic Party? DAMNED RIGHT.

You aren't the only "Angry" voters out there. There are millions, for any NUMBER of reasons. Running a "friendly" campaign after what happened in Florida, the public schools, the hospitals, Iraq, Afghanistan, VFW's, etc... would be suicide. If I am wrong, then my Canadian brothers and sisters may have a new neighbor soon. We are angry and we are NOT going to take it anymore. Split the Democratic party you say? I got a knife. Show me where to cut.

Will Dean win (should he be nomiated) against a pResident who Left all children behind, Slashed Military bennies while extending deployments, wants war on 4 or 5 fronts, possibly LIHOP, blew the stock market to hell, blew the surpluses and got Kenny Boy off?

You tell me.

Can other's? You tell me. If they can, they get my vote. But they better be angry.

If there is to be a war so be it. It is past time. Terry McCuliff must go. Yesterday. Up until today, the prevailing attitude here was the DLC must go. Yesterday. Those of us who are Left or Left-Leaning, Progressive, whatever have had NO voice under our Democratic "Leadership". Very few were willing to stand up for the "DU Voice". How many letters to Senators and Congress do you suppose have come from DUers over the last 3 years?

THOUSANDS and it rarely did a damn bit of good. Remember the FLOWER-drive we created and sent to Robert Byrd? DAMN that seems like yesterday.

If there is a war coming within "our" party, I am ready. Its time to take it back. Right now it is Repuke and Repuke light. I'll take it to the streets. I have. So have many of the "Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party."

I'm willing to take the chance. I will vote and SUPPORT regardless.

Don't tell me a Dem can't win in 2004. Don't even tell me a "fringe" Dem can't win.

Repuke lite is sooooooo last March.

PEACE

[sandnsea]

1. Dean's not left

He's not progressive. He's not the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party.

Any time anybody even tries to say that Dean isn't left, you get a mob of Deanie's to come on and say they KNOW he isn't left and that's the reason they're supporting him.

That's the whole problem with this primary. The pseudo-left is supporting the centrist while the real left is out in the cold.

[SahaleArm]

3. Let's not color the issues with facts.

It just might end up confusing the "New Left".

[PurityOfEssence]

51. Yes, beastly things, aren't they?

There are only two candidates farther to the right than Dean in the race at the moment: Clark and Lieberman. I'm sick of centrism; we can have better.

Why must we cringe in terror at letting some regional voters actually speak for themselves? There's an air of panic about the whole thing that's ridiculous, and it's driving us away from other choices who have better domestic platforms. Are we afraid of what will be said to dim the luster of the Doctor? I guarantee you it's nothing like the ugliness that'll be leveled by the Republicans, especially if they have virtually a full year to work it.

The primaries are a time of discovery. I guess far too many of us have no interest in learning anything. Dean may look great now, but he has an uncanny habit of shooting himself in the foot as he shoots off his mouth. Why show one's hand so early? It makes no sense at all.

True believers make me puke.

[matcom]

53. then puke on me babe

hmmmm this wasn't supposed to be a "pro-Dean" thread, rather an anti DLC thread.

guess you didn't bother to read it (so typical of many "centrists")

"no interest in learning anything" is so true. just wish you practiced what you preached :eyes:

[PurityOfEssence]

75. If your thread's unravelling, maybe it wasn't well raveled to start with

Beats me how I'm a centrist when I'm slagging centrism, too.

Emotion and fervor are as welcome as they are lacking in politics, but I'm just aghast at the headlong rush to avoid a primary season, and it's incredible how so many people are so willing to throw progressive and liberal ideals out the window to go with a candidate whose economic, gun, healthcare and trade policies are so far from their own. It's especially dumbfounding when there are other viable candidates around with more progressive policies.

The difference between "Pro-Dean" and "Anti Anti-Dean" is a pretty fuzzy distinction anyway, so if you want to keep it focused, you might start with it that way.

I don't like autocrats, and I don't like being lectured. In this, I'm not alone; he rankles many different types of people, and the refrain of barking orders and deeply insulting allies is a very dangerous thing. Tonight, he "took command" of the debate again by saying how they were 12 minutes from the end without talking about domestic policy. He did it in a way that made it sound like this was the fault of his fellow candidates and AS IF ONLY HE HAS HIS FINGER ON THE PULSE OF ALL THAT'S GOOD AND DECENT. Fast and loose, smear and slam; these are the tactics of this man, and to some, he's the veritable bee's knees for anything he does. He's ahead of the wave now, and he's playing the momentum for all it's worth, but that can still be done without tactics like these. It comes down to character, and he's got some whopper flaws that are DANGEROUS to the cause.

Are Democrats so beaten and frustrated that they'll throw their beliefs to the winds just to latch onto a winner? It's hardly like he's the only one who could beat Junior; I don't even think he has the best chance.

[killbotfactory]

7. Yep. Civil unions, universal health care, against massive deficits..

Against unjustified wars for no good reason...

Yep. He's a republican mole!

[SahaleArm]

26. Other than civil unions, wasn't this the Clinton/Gore platform?

It's not Republican but it's not progressive, especially when you combine it with a lot of his other fence-sitting positions. Most supporters on DU have come to his defense as a centrist candidate.

[killbotfactory]

39. He is centrist...

But he's pretty much a social liberal/fiscal conservative (in the traditional "balance the budget" sense)

I think ideological purity tests are silly and political labels are too simplistic and interperetive to mean much.

[matcom]

76. yup. your right.

rolling back Bush's tax cuts (note: NOT "raising taxes"), health care for all (note: UNIVERSAL health care), anti-war, NAFTA, GAT, WTO, etc...

"centrist"

uh-huh :eyes:

[Cocoa]

10. that's the problem, imo

What Gore is trying to do is reduce the anger. He said it explicitly.

The anger is destructive if it's not righteous, which I don't think it is unless it's coming from Kucinich or maybe Sharpton.

[sandnsea]

18. Well he missed

And you, and certainly not Howard Dean, do not determine righteous anger. Kucinich is my preferred candidate. Kerry was about as far to the right as I could go from there. Based on his actual 30 year record. Not a bunch of intentionally destructive campaign year rhetoric.

[Cocoa]

33. I think we agree

and I think much of what Gore was saying was addressed to the Dean supporters themselves. To the supporters of the other candidates too, but also to the Dean supporters. Let's cool it down, is what I heard him saying.

Kucinich, by the way, is not running on anger, he's running on hope. You can hear it in everything he says.

[Upfront]

15. He May Not Be Left

but he is right. It is time we took back our party from the DlC amd the big money interests. Dean is showing the way. We need to listen to him if we want our party and our country back.

[sandnsea]

54. Because he SAYS so???

He supported every single solitary "DLC" item that came down the line for the last ten years. In Medicare, for example, he was to the right of Clinton. On Yucca Mtn & Sierra Blanca he was to the right of most Democrats. Suddenly, this year, he's "seen the light".

It's a c-a-m-p-a-i-g-n s-t-r-a-t-e-g-y. If you support his real record in Vermont, thoroughly investigated by YOU, vote for him. But don't base it on his promises this year. It's just a campaign, just politics.

[Scott Lee]

63. Sez you. Millions of others disagree.

It doesn't matter that he's not as leftist as me. It doesn't matter to me that he meet your standard of "leftness" or not. What does matter to me is that there is one candidate and one candidate ONLY with the guts, the plan and the support to throw out the occupying fascists and reshape the Democratic Party as a winning force again.

That person is Howard Dean.

[fishnfla]

2. First you say 'tell me this' then you say 'dont tell me that'

why dont you just do all the heavy thinking for me and tell me exactly what you want to hear and save us all a bunch of fucking time?

[CatWoman]

4. I see THIS thread is gonna be fun....................

[matcom]

9. i aim to please

:D

but this very well may be my LAST GD post ever. time will tell

[matcom]

6. wow. try reading the thread first will ya?

i am not telling you to 'do' anything.

angry, angry, strange people

[jedicord]

5. Amen!

Not fighting is what's been hurting the Democrats. I've written several letters to the DNC urging them to stand up for what we believe in, the issues they are constantly sending me flyers on.

Yes, I'm a bleeding heart liberal. But just like I tell my friends, I am one of the nicest, kindest, sweetest people you will ever meet...

JUST DON'T PISS ME OFF!

And I'm pissed!

Little side note on money being spent in "swing" states. I live in Texas, which is not considered a "swing" state, since it is so strongly Republican. That's because no one is spending money here arguing against the Republicans! If all you hear is that the sky is green, you'll believe the sky is green!

Thanks, I feel better now...

[proud patriot]

8. I remember Byrd warning his fellow Senators

about us , he said that we knew more about the Constitution
than The people who are our policy makers .

He told them to watch out for us cause we would do
great things .

That we loved this country more than they .

I will never forget that day for the rest of my life .

If you are like me and believe in reincarnation .

Then you know who we are , and why we all choose now
to live again together in time .

Now let's get busy , we have a Country a Constitution
and People to save .

This Democratic Republic is our Responsibilty to Save .

[matcom]

11. Byrd pointed his finger at the camera lense

and was pointing RIGHT AT DU.

your right. he told them we are out here. he WARNED them.

fuck. he was talking to ME and YOU and ALL OF US.

that old man spoke to "US"

[proud patriot]

20. It was at that moment in time That I knew I would percievere

and not burnout .

That everything I do to oppose bush will be remembered
as heroic and patriotic . Our letters are recorded
History and so is his speech .

He said " watch these letter writers they will do
great things"

there will be a reckoning

and by my blood sweat and tears that day of reckoning
will be at my and your hands .

Through our letters and our voices we will WIN

[Pastiche423]

31. In the six week lead up to the war rag vote

the 1st thing I did every day, was find the Senate Watch threads. It was the day that the threads numbered 18, that I remember most.

The Senator spoke to our hearts and to our love of our country. I was a member of the flower brigade and was so proud when he mentioned us on the floor od the Senate. He called us his heros.

He still speaks to all of us. I pity the people that don't/won't listen.

[Melinda]

61. It was Sen Byrd & our "flower brigade" that set my course with Dr. Dean's

I was so angry and so disappointed with the roll-over on the IWR - and devastated, just devastated when Paul Wellstone was killed... Being married at that time to a libertarian, Senator Byrd and DU were my only real source of comfort and fuel for the fire buring within my spirit - until I heard Dr. Dean. :)

The democratic party and its handlers screwed us all - and the DLC can die for all I care.

Anyway, thanks for the smiles Pastiche, and thanks for this thread, matcom. :grouphug:

[matcom]

62. you are welcome

i might be my last in GD. am feeling quite tired with all the fighting going on as of late.

to be determined

[Melinda]

64. BullGooseLooney gave me some good advice the other night...

He told me that if I took a break and got some rest, I'd feel better - and he was right. Hang out in the lounge - laugh and make merry for awhile, replenish your spirit - and then come back and tackle the good fight when you're ready. Take care of yourself matcom - this too shall pass. :hug:

[proud patriot]

69. Good advice

I think I have found my pace so as not to burnout .

The primaries are truly wearing on all of us .

[matcom]

70. we'll find a way to hold strong PP

somehow

[Eloriel]

43. WOW. That's ...

words fail me, but it DEFINITELY got my positive attn and tugged my heartstrings too.

Thanks, very much.

[proud patriot]

49. You are very welcome

:D

[KG]

12. word.

[tigereye]

23. Haven't read much about Dean so far,

just what I seen here on DU. Probably old news, but there was a very interesting article in the NY Times mag on Sunday talking about his internet "troops," etc. It was neat to see how non "top-down" the structure of his campaign seemed to be and how his campaign excited formerly politically apathetic people. The Mainstream DNC people ignore this energy and populism at their peril.

[hertopos]

58. Exactly!!!

What he accomplished is the real break through!!
I repeat. I like Dean but I am not a Dean supporter. ( I am actually Hilary supporter. I just love her though politically I am not always with her.) However, I support Dean's campaign.

Hertopos


Hi, Matcom I am your fan. ( Actually I am your matcom smiley fan.)

[Upfront]

13. Matcom

You got it right, and I will be with you!

[Jacobin]

14. My sentiments EXACTLY

Let's see how all these self professed "genuine liberals" like Hillary and Kerry do in their quest to enable PNAC and destroy the party.

No mistake being made here. The DLC is responsible for the decline of the party. They are invaded by PNACers. Take back my party.

Not a lib/moderate issue. It's about taking back the party from corrupt power-brokers.

BRing Them Fucking ON.

[xchrom]

16. i'm down with that

do we still say ''down''?

[deminflorida]

17. Just be able to take it on the chin.....

if Howard Dean doesn't get the nomination. But you may be right he maybe the guy, but I don't know. Out of all the candidates he stepped in more shit than anyone else.

1. Not knowing the size of the U.S. Miltary when questioned on a national news program.
2. With his Confederate Flag remark.
3. With his closed records issue.

And now a controversial endorsement by a guy who a lot of registered democrats felt betrayed because he's not running in 2004, has collected eight million dollars of their money to make a run at the presidency, and has been preparing for the presidency all his life. So a 2008 run for him would seem to look very likely.

And just to pile on a little more, lots and lots of people think Dean is unelectable in any one southern state, period.

And on top of all of that there's this repeal issue of the entire Bush Tax package which may be taken or may not be taken by some people as a tax hike on the middle class of America.

If he goes thru untouched and nothing out of all of this sticks....you have to admit the guy wears teflon underwear.

As a matter of fact, I'm starting to think now that shit sticks less on him than it does on Bush.

TEFLON DEAN (He's a Mean Machine)

[Jacobin]

19. Oh, shit!!! ya mean Dean's not PERFECT???

Damn, where can I sign up for Clark????

/sarcasm

[matcom]

22. oh i can take it

:)

remember the Boston Interview when Bush couldn't name ANY world leaders?

how many gaffs have come out of HIS mouth?

bigger than the misspelling of POTATOE and he survived :)

i'm just a sayin' i am ready to fight.

if that is what it takes, i'm ready

PEACE

[Walt Starr]

25. I'm a Deanie as far as my pick goes

I'm ABB all the way, I don;t care who the fuck it is going up against the Dumbass*.

[Ramsey]

21. Right on brother!

Brilliant matcom. Bring it on indeed! No more Republican-light "strategy", lean to the center/right, appeal to the fickle 4% of "swing voters", support Bush or be called a traitor, offer no alternatives politics.

I was at a Dean fundraiser today and his campaign chairman Steve Grossman spoke. Grossman is the former head of the DNC (McAuliffe's current post). He is also a former top campaign operative for John Kerry, and ran his 1996 campaign against Weld. Not exactly an outsider. Today he said he was working for the Dean campaign because Dean doesn't care about his political life if he cannot use public office to what is right for people and for the country. He said that while he will never say anything against Kerry, whom he praised as a great Senator, that he felt we needed something more.

The Dean campaign's strategy is to appeal to the base, to bring in apathetic voters who believe there is no discernable difference between the parties, and to attack Bush on the core issues that unite us all as a nation. So far that is exactly what they are doing. It's honest, straightforward, simple and incredibly inspiring. I for one have had enough of the simps. They better not DARE try to undermine our Democratic candidate (whoever that may be) because they fear for themselves.

Fear for our nation and do what is right. It must be Anybody but Bush. Anybody but Dean? Go to hell!

[matcom]

27. *sigh*

why couldn't we have met 10 years earlier?

i imagine high school sweethearts who attend the same college and later marry.

Ramsey - my lost love who i never had a chance with :D

:loveya:

[Ramsey]

35. That's a little OT!

You rock baby! But ten years ago I wasn't quite so savvy. In fact, I was *gasp* a Republican. (I did vote for Clinton both times though.) Could you have loved me then?

You'd have had a chance sweetie. :loveya:

[matcom]

37. hell, i would have changed you

LOL

ANYTHING for my dear, dear Ramsey :D

[Ramsey]

73. Maybe so

Force of nature that you are! :evilgrin:

[dreissig]

24. Oh Happy Day

I am so glad to see Democrats energized to defeat George Bush. I was dismayed when George Sr. was elected, but I've never been as politically outraged as I was when the Supreme Court selected his son. I thought I would get used to it, but it's been three years already and I still get angry.

I've ended friendships over this. When somebody tells me they voted for Bush I re-evaluate my relationship to them, usually with a negative result. I absolutely can not stand George Bush.

[Dr.Phool]

40. You got that right

But even when the supremes selected the little bastard, did we honestly think it could get this bad?

[zeemike]

28. The longest journey begins with a single step

We must remember that in these days. Dean or any of the candidates may not be just what we need to change the world, like a savoir, but it is movement in the right direction. A step forward.
Don’t be discouraged and disheartened, because that will empower them. The world will change for the better because it has to, or we will not survive as a civilization.
Try to be patient and persistent, that is what works. .

[realFedUp]

29. nice post matcom

Terry can take Mark Penn with him...

[Cleita]

30. I miss the old days when we talked about issues.

But anyone who posts a thread on issues can watch it sink into the sunset in minutes if it's not locked for being inflammatory, so I don't know what to say except that I think we should try to talk again about health care, lost jobs, union busting, racism, homelessness, dead soldiers, illigitimate wars, lying conservatives and crooks int the White House, but I guess I am asking too much.

[ikojo]

32. From one Lounge lizard to another

Matcom.....:yourock:


The Republicans are smart enough not to alienate their base...when will the Dems learn the same?

Given a choice between Repugnican lite (new Coke) and the real thing (classic coke) people will choose the real thing all the time. Not because they like the pugs all that much but because they feel lied to by the repug lite candidates. People who present themselves as something other than what they are.

Another way I think about it is this: A repug lite Dem candidate will say he's your friend and then stab you in the back with a knife. At least with the real thing, as a working person, you know you don't matter.

[tnlefty]

34. We're just a focus group

Letters, e-mails, phone calls, faxes and i expected to be ignored by my rep. and senators, but when i made a point of calling other Democratic reps. and senators i wanted to be heard. About 2 yrs. ago I don't think that it mattered much at all, but over the past yr. or so I was always asked for specifics about where I live and who (doesn't) represents me.

Wondering if some folks are beginning to figure out that some of us are paying attention and we're sick of playing nice with the rethugs who don't ever play nice.

[matcom]

47. i argue we are MORE than a focus group

we are relatively small in number but we vocally carry the torch for MANY people.

we make an impact.

i am betting on it

[Eloriel]

36. BEAUTIFUL rant

But shhhhh! Admin says there's no difference between then-DU and now-DU.

:evilgrin:

[Dr.Phool]

38. Bring 'em on

I was at the Florida Democratic Convention last week-end, and I'll tell you what. Howard Dean electrified the place and stole the show.

We had 7 candidates, and I have to say Dean was the best. I have a newfound respect for Kerry and Edwards, but I don't think either can win, although I think Edwards would be a good addition as Vice- President.

Howard Dean has shown the rest of the candidates how to grow some balls. For 3 years, the DLC faction has been going along with everything the Bush administration has wanted, including tax cuts and the war in Iraq. Dick Gephardt did nothing, absolutely nothing to challenge Bush when he was minority leader. I missed his speech because I was sick Sat. morning. But I don't think I missed anything.

I'm originally from Cleveland, and I spoke with Dennis Kucinich at dinner for a while, and explained that I'd voted for him in every election he ever ran in from City Council to Mayor, to Congress. He wasn't very happy that I was wearing a Dean Button. I started out supporting him, but a few months back the more I heard about Dean, the more I liked him, and will now actively work in his campaign.

There is a lot of anger out there, especially here in Florida, but it's not all at Republicans. A lot of people are pissed off at the way our party has been catering to the DLC and other Republicans.

I'm pissed off and I want my party and my country back. Real Democrats could have stopped every piece of rotten legislation that was passed in the last year, but chose to suck up to a supposedly popular president. Howard Dean is changing all that. WTG Al Gore:kick:

[SahaleArm]

44. Which of the following does Dean plan on changing?

DLC/DNC Leadership?
or Party Platform?

[slinkerwink]

45. welcome to DU!!!!

:hi:

[Dr.Phool]

57. thanks

I like to get in a good discussion.:wtf:

[Old and In the Way]

41. If Dean's good enough for Al Gore-

Well, I'll have no problem supporting the Doctor if he's our party's nominee!

Let's get this show on the road....I want to show the SCLM what an energized, organized, angry bunch of Democrats look like.

[Q]

42. Now is the time for all 'good' Democrats...

...to come to the aid of their party. We MUST take it back from those who have sold out to corporate interests. I haven't chosen a candidate yet...but you can be sure it won't be someone who supports or is supported by the DLC or Neocon corporations.

- Let's return to our purpose and be the party of the people.

[matcom]

46. Q, you and i agree?

must be the apocolypse! :D

:thumbsup: brother

[Q]

48. I've never changed my position on the direction of the party...

- I've seen the trend over the last couple decades....Democrats tying to be like Republicans (and get a piece of the corporate pie) in order to compete. Meanwhile...they've left the BASE of the party behind to fend for themselves.

- There's nothing more important than the Democratic base (the people) and the candidate who expresses this will win enough hearts and minds to become the nominee.

[matcom]

50. we are on the same page friend

FUCK the DLC and the "centrists"

[Q]

52. Well...I wouldn't go THAT far...

...but they're doing a disservice to the party with their enabling of the Bush* regime. Their appeasement of Bush* and his policies have brought us to where were are today. It was they who told us to 'move on' when the GOPers took the 2000 election away from us and when George* was caught lying this nation into war.

- We should have been fighting the Bush* junta all along and resisting it every step of the way instead of allowing them to TAKE and misuse so much power.

- The DLC has to go or they must change their politics to represent the Democratic base and not the phantom 'swing' voter.

[matcom]

55. close enough

:)

[TopesJunkie]

56. Yes, A Dem CAN Win!

Great post.

[bleedingheart]

59. Your so right dude!

repuke lite is so last march....I like that...

[matcom]

60. thanks

made it up on the 'fly' :)

[rbnyc]

65. I was just thinking about this yesterday...

When we found out about Paul Wellstone, we were on our way to be together, you, me, Lynne, Will, kheph, Martin, Libby, so many DUers. And when we got to where we were going to be, 300,000 other people were there who felt the same way we did. 300,000 of us. And then we watched the coverage of the freeper rally on cspan back at the hotel, and there were about 11 of them. Yet so many of us buy into the idea that we are a minority. Why do we believe that? It’s just not true.

We are powerful and important, and we’re about to do very well.

EDIT: I know this doesn't answer the main thrust of your post, but it's what you made me think. The tide goes in and out, and it's coming in, I swear.

[matcom]

66. OMG!

how did i forget about that??!!??

you are right. we were all on our way to DC when Paul died! x(

i forgot. i am SO SORRY i forgot. that weekend was so special in SO many ways.

fuck. i forgot. i am so sorry.

THANK YOU RENE

fuck.

[rbnyc]

67. I added an edit

'cause your post raises so many issues, and I kind of went around them (or through them) but didn't really address them.

:loveya:

[matcom]

68. i am both sad and happy right now

Paul's death: hovering over us all weekend

Our Weekend: what great memories.

thanks Rene

[rbnyc]

71. Sad and happy is about right.

The most amazing times have that kind of capacity.

:)

[Ramsey]

72. That was a great day

A sad sad day, but a great day, in my personal political life, and I think in the political life of this country. An anti-war rally before a pre-emptive war ever began. And a great day in my personal life because I got to know you and Matt and Scott and many other so much better. And you guys all rock!!

:loveya:

[rbnyc]

77. So good to see you, Libby!

You rock too.

:loveya:

[Hoppin_Mad]

74. Thanks matcom !

nt

[frank frankly]

78. kick

great thread

[Elidor]

79. Nice piece, Matcom

I think you really keyed on something in the title, though - "fired up liberal base." The anger evident here in GD is a good thing - the hive is stirred up. The tide is turning, and GD shows the sea change. Almost everyone is pissed off. Liberals may be at eachother's throats, but they're also up in arms. God help Bush when we finally unite behind a candidate, because the electoral wiplash is gonna yank that assclown right outta the white house. We could run the proverbial yellow dog and kick Dubya's ass.

Gimme dat baloney sandwich!
*please pardon the inexcusable use of both mixed metaphors and horrible cliches in this post.