Upsetting: Dick Morris also says that Dean can't win...

[Dob Bole]

On ABC earlier today:

http://www.abc.net.au/correspondents/content/2003/s1004824.htm

What's worse, I have searched the entire Internet for a scenario whereby Dean can win the 2004 election. It's not there.

[mot78]

1. What do you expect it's Dick Morris

[cthrumatrix]

28. go to a meet-up...and see for yourself....don't listen to people telling

you how to think

[Khephra]

2. Dick Morris?

I hope you aren't taking his rw spew as truth?

[GabysPoppy]

39. The same Dick Morris

who has to pay a hooker to help him find his toes?

[slinkerwink]

3. hey, isn't Dick Morris, a republican, supposed to boost Dean

because the RNC thinks he's the weakest candidate? ;-)

[Closer]

4. Since when have

we cared what the FUCK dick morris thinks?

Reaching for new lows are ya?

"What's worse, I have searched the entire Internet for a scenario whereby Dean can win the 2004 election. It's not there." Well then, you really need to get a life.

[bearfartinthewoods]

20. or maybe, like me, he or she needs a reason for hope.

have you seen any analyisis that show Dean winning? if so , please post it so we can all sleep better.

[hlthe2b]

5. Why are so many DUers letting RW propaganda get them

down? What do you EXPECT them to say-- that BUsh is vulnerable? Heavens, we have to be cognizant of this kind of psychological ploy or we really ARE lost.

[terrisel]

22. We need to build a political movement

My preference would be to run a candidate who is most likely to appeal to a broad range of voters and can thereby win. I think a lame-duck Bush will be a president who will totally destroy the US and am therefore willing to compromise greatly in order to prevent Bush's election. The Supreme Court, among other things is as stake.

However When Kucinek stands against Diebold and helps cause Diebold to back down or Dean gives money to Congressional candidates I am reminded of 2 things.

1. If the above is true-Kucinek has actually accomplished something very important that other candidates have failed to do-expose election fraud. What does it matter if Kerry is most likely to win against Bush, if he continues to ignore the voting fraud and ends up losing because Diebold counts the votes?

2. What does it matter if our Democratic candidate wins but can't govern because the House and Senate is completely taken over by the Rabid Right. That core group of the enemies of a free America can't be appeased. Clinton tried to appease them. He failed.
The core Rabid Republicans are out for blood and victory at any price. They are the people who are willing to destroy the Human Village in order control it. They can't be appeased. They have to be defeated. They can't be defeated unless they are first exposed.

If our "candidates" continue to ignore the issues because they are receiving their funds from the sources of our problems or are otherwise compromised how do we ever really win?

Dean has apparently constructed a real Money Machine that is not dependent on the mega-corporations and that money machine may be able to do battle with the corporate media and get a message across the country in spite of them.....Does that sound like a man who can't win?


Let's face facts. We were at war during Campaign 2000 and the enemy had successfully cut our lines of communication and was broadcasting lies about our candidate. We won the war anyway but the enemy was able to declare itself victorious-not just because they controlled a majority of Supreme Court justices but because they controlled communications.

Turn off MSNBC. Turn off CNN. Turn off Fox News. Turn off Talk Radio. Then listen. What do you hear.........listen carefully .....that is all you have in the way of communications to fight the people making war against us.

We have to start using what we have and building those connections. You can't win a war by begging the enemy to let you use their communications system for your message to your troops.

[bearfartinthewoods]

33. when poppy was running, by this time in the cycle, i knew we'd win

the pundits didn't but i was confident. this time i am not. and no amount of rah rah is likely to change that.

[ecstatic]

6. New Dean Attack: Dean's son arrested for armed robbery nt

[slinkerwink]

10. that was MONTHS ago.....when Dean was an asterik in the polls

[Kool Kitty]

24. And it wasn't an armed robbery.

Some right-wing moron called CSPAN and said that this morning. And even the hostesss disputed it. It's bulls**t and they know it.

[wtmusic]

7. Rings of desperation

sound sweet to this ear

[pasadenaboy]

8. I think Dob's being sarcastic

nm

[alcuno]

9. You had to search for a scenario?

How about this one. He runs a national campaign that appeals to a majority of Americans in all fifty states and he wins.

[ibegurpard]

13. LOL

I couldn't think of a witty comeback for that one...Thanks!

[Dob Bole]

11. ok....article said he was in charge of Clinton's 1996 campaign....

didn't know he was a Republican.

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. Dick Morris is a WH shill.

Pay him NO attention. He went on an attack campaign against Clinton because Clinton didn't defend him when his little affair with the "prostitute" came out...Clinton let him go and it pissed him off. He's out to get the Democrats. Ignore him.

Dob Bole, if you want a candidate who is a SURE THING, vote for Clark. There's NO QUESTION that he can beat the shrub in a LANDSLIDE VICTORY.

[asjr]

14. Yes

Morris is a vengeful slimeball who just wants someone to notice him and knows if he bashs Dems he will get the ear of the Repubs. He doesn't mind being used.

[Hep]

15. You can't find a scenario by which Dean wins?

Here's one.

Tons of people vote for dean. He wins more electoral college votes than Bush. He wins.

Boy dreaming up that scenario really took a lot out of me.

[Justice]

25. Love That

Very true.

Morris is slimy.

Didn't he come out like 3 weeks ago and say Dean was great, don't underestimate him?


These people are playing with our heads. I say, lets go forward on the issues and let the best person win the nomination.

[Jerseycoa]

16. Oboy

Dick Morris. Now I'm really worried Dean CAN win the 2004 election. :evilgrin:

[Cooley Hurd]

17. Aw damn... Dean lost the toe sucker vote...

He's doomed, I tell ya, DOOOOOOOOMED!

[wryter2000]

21. LMAO

Thanks! :yourock:

[wryter2000]

18. You're going to listen to him?

I have a bridge for sale. :)

[nomaco-10]

19. Oh ye of little faith.....

to hang on the words of one of the most certifiably insane repuke pundits of our day. Morris is a shill for the rightwing agenda, even hannity looks at him like he from another planet when he's forced to interview him on Faux spouting his demented leftwing conspiracy theories, that's how far out there this nut case is. That you would even be "upset" by something this demented moron has to say, is really disheartening.

If you want to try to convince people that Howard Dean is "unelectable", you will have to do much better than this.

[Webster Green]

23. Holy shit!...the entire internet..............

I guess you wound up here...........

[Champion Jack]

26. Oh yeah,...and we should believe anything

Dick "toe licker" Morris has to say.
Please, give it a fucking rest all ready.

[thebigidea]

27. OH NO! NOT DICK MORRRRRIISSSS! Sufferin' succotash, all is lost!

[leesa]

29. Ummm...Hello?? There will be continous RW propaganda like this

until election day. They will tell us over and over again how the candidates that we want can't win, can't lead, etc., etc.,
Why fall for it?

[Patriot_Spear]

30. What's upsetting about 'Toe-Licker' Morris and his opinion?

It's not like he's a Democrat- he's a DC beltway #####.

[Padraig18]

31. You won't find the winning scenario on the internet

The winning sceanrio will be in the polling places, in the streets, on the telephone, in the cars being driven to the polls, etc.. Dean CAN AND WILL win in November.

[Scott Lee]

32. Dear god, I'm confused. I thought the repuke right WANTED Dean?

They love him they hate him they love him they hate him they want him they renounce him they want him they renounce him...

Anybody else getting a headache with all this?

[oasis]

36. Somebody once said "Any press is good press". The power to ignore

other candidates is being excercised by the media.

[Scott Lee]

38. Hmmm, maybe because they go to where they think the story is?

I'm not trying to be abrasive here, just noting that the press is always looking for where the fire in a story is.....maybe they just really see it with Dean?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. Maybe That's A Good Thing

He did pick Gore in 00....

[A-Schwarzenegger]

35. Jelly Legs.

[Timefortruth]

37. This is very good news for Dean

I didn’t know if Dean could do it, but now I know.

[jsw_81]

40. Dick Morris

Morris may be a shrewd political strategist, but the fact is that virtually ALL of his predictions have been wrong. In 1998, he predicted that the Republicans would win a landslide victory in the mid-term elections. They lost. In 1999, he predicted that President Clinton would be removed from office during the Senate impeachment trial. He was aquitted. In 2000, Morris predicted that Hillary would not run for Senate (she did) and when she did he predicted that she would lose (she won). In 2000 he also predicted that McCain would beat Bush in the GOP primaries. Bush won. Etc.

So don't worry about what Dick Morris says.

[TLM]

41. LOL You searched THE WHOLE INTERNET huh?

wow now that's impressive. Clearly you've proven that Dean can't win.

That should really impress the other of the Dean basher in my ignore file.

[Rose Siding]

44. It IS funny! I searched and found a GOP memo with the scenario-

It has a chart, and everything!

http://www.moore-info.com/Poll_Updates/2004%20Election%20%20Why%20Dean%20can%20win%20Sept%2003.htm

[PSU84]

42. I don't like Dick Morris, but

he is right. Dean can't win.

His anger, which has motivated much of the left half of the Democratic party is going to alienate a lot of independents. He will not get many votes from the so-called Reagan Democrats, and many disgruntled Republicans will return to Bush rather than vote for Dean.

[quaker bill]

43. Maybe I will just make one up and post it on my web page

Then you can be happy. Right?

Anyone making such sweeping predictions this far in advance of the election has no intellectual integrity. He has a couple of amusing observations but no real basis for a final conclusion. He is probably correct in that the political dynamic will change over the next year. In this regard the issues that seem golden today for our candidates, may lose some luster tomorrow. His analysis assumes that the candidate, Dean or otherwise, will be unresponsive and continue to plug away at the same old issues.

This type of analysis is typical of a two dimensional thinker playing a three dimensional game. Both ends of this equation are free to move. Secondly there are feedback loops where action-reaction dynamics occur. Thirdly there are exogenous forces that exert both random and directed influence over the political dynamic.

He prepares his analysis on an intellectually convenient understanding of how events will unfold. It is intellectually convenient because it supports his conclusion. In the final analysis this scenario is no more plausible than hundreds of others any competent fortune teller could create.

So perhaps to maintain my intellectual integrity, I will pass on creating bogus scenarios for entertainment.

[mikehiggins]

45. Morris is a waste of oxygen. eom