DRAFT now inevitable. No Divisions left, Rummy sends Honor Guard over!

[Dems Will Win]

IMHO. This article states that Rummy is even sending the Honor Guard, which means they have already scraped the botom of the barrel. I have reported before that even Army Band members are being sent (DU) and retired trainers are being told to be prepared to be re-called to train DRAFTEES (DU) and Rummy is spending $28 million to activate the DRAFT by June 15, 2005 (http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_FY2004.html).

This article explains why the DRAFT IS NOW INEVITABLE (unless the Tooth Fairy can capture Saddam and pacify Kim Il-Jong at the same time of course). They know this and that's why they have to ramp up now even though they are letting the DRAFT cat out of the bag in an election year. Bush will just say Cut & Run, Cut & Run AFTER the election and the Repukes will give him THE DRAFT.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/07/international/worldspecial3/07CND-GORDON.html?ex=1070773200&en=d539723fbf06a2fd&ei=5070

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According to the Pentagon troop rotation plan announced by Mr. Rumsfeld, 8 of the Army's 10 active divisions will be on their way to Iraq and Afghanistan or returning from those countries over the next several months — the largest single movement of Army forces since World War II. Only two active Army divisions — the Second Infantry Division, which defends South Korea, and the Third Infantry Division, which took Baghdad and only recently returned home — are not part of the rotation. A division typically numbers 15,000 to 20,000 troops.

That's not the whole story. Three Army National Guard brigades — about 5,000 troops each — are being deployed to Iraq. So are the Marines, who left Iraq after turning their responsibilities over to a Polish-led division in September. With the Army short of troops and foreign troops scarce, the Marines are being tapped to serve in Iraq again. The First Marine Division will supply a headquarters that will command a combined force of some 20,000 Marines as well as Army troops.

A major worry for the Army is also that a third year of large-scale deployments in Iraq will make it difficult to retain the noncommissioned officers and experienced reserves that are needed for a quality volunteer force. Reserves will account for more than a third of the troops deployed in Iraq next year. Retention is a lagging indicator, but the anecdotal indications from reservists in Iraq is that some will leave the military at the first opportunity if they conclude that it entails regular yearlong tours away from home.

No doubt the Defense Department projects that the occupation force in 2005 will be a fraction of the current troop presence. But that is what the Defense Department initially projected for September 2003.

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Sorry for posting this in Politics, meant it for GD...

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Problem is most people are missing

the clear signs that a draft is a comming


Look they have broken humpty dumpy, and now we have to scream this from the rooftops, the GOP is bad for National Security... PERIOD!

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. Yep

And they'll be shooting anyone who tries to go over the border to Canada. You watch.

[ecstatic]

37. I bet the media will blame it on the Democrats who suggested bringing back

the draft. Bush will get a free pass on this one, just like he does on every other f***** up thing he does.

[seasat]

2. I'm not worried about a draft.

Shrub will tank the economy so bad that we won't be able to afford to start any more wars.x(

[Bandit]

15. They believe war is good for the economy

It worked for WW 2 so why shouldn't it work for Bush*? That is what drives them. War Profiteering plain and simple. War is good business so invest your son today.

[oasis]

34. A war economy. Bush believes that he is on a mission from God.

He is an easy dupe for the PNACers who aren't finished yet.

www.newamericancentury.org

[PaDUer]

35. Then let ALL those at freepville..

line up because they support * and see how they start singing..Yes, freeps, step up to bat, you asked for this!!

[tom_paine]

3. Of course it's inevitable. In truth, it was inevitable on 12-12-2000

The day the Old American Republic really started to die...

[Timefortruth]

4. A retired military man I know has been notified

that he may be called to go teach draftees if the draft is reinstated. I started a thread about it a few days ago. I trust this guy, and believe that he was notified. What this means, I think, is that they are even working on the nuts and bolts of how the draft will work.

The worst part is that Chimp&Co. have screwed things up so royally that a draft may be necessary no matter who wins. It may not be necessary for as long if a Democrat wins, but we need troops to defend the homeland in the event of disaster and they aren’t there. If there is any doubt, remember that there were no National Guardsmen to fight the fire in California just a month ago.

[GreenPartyVoter]

7. Drafts

are known far and wide by the GOP as a means population control of the undesirables.

And I know Rangle means well, but I know the silver spoon set will get out of it one way or another, so I am not so sure the left should push for it.

[creativelcro]

31. yup, the cousin of my sister's hairdresser overheard that too...

[Nederland]

6. Not Going to Happen

The draft cannot happen without the consent of Congress, and the bottom line is that Republican Congressmen love their seats more than they love Bush. Its simply not going to happen. The only people that think it will are desperate Democrats who would love to have it as an issue.

[GreenPartyVoter]

8. I disagree

I think there are plenty of Repubs who honestly think it won't cost them their seat.

[Beaker]

12. otherwise they'll find a way to make it the Lil'Dictator's decision-

Give him the power to order a draft during a national emergency, o omething like that.

[El Mariachi]

19. To put it in perspective

A Democratic Congressman from New York tried to put a bill through re-instating the draft. His name escapes me, but it happened in January 2003. He said something to the extent that since our troops are going to be stretched, we'll need some way to thicken them out.

I have no problem with a draft, I think in a way it might be good- it would definitely make the public a little more conscious about the conflicts we get ourselves into abroad.

[Lefta Dissenter]

25. I take it you don't have kids

of draft age? I have a REAL problem with the draft! Why should MY KIDS have to pay with their lives for the disasters that bush has created??? There are other ways of making the public a little more aware of our mistakes - I don't consider killing my children a viable alternative!!! Yeah, well, THAT will learn 'em. They'll never let their votes get stolen again, those stupid children.

[Jerseycoa]

27. Rangel

Charlie Rangel believes in the draft as a national policy, not just in the current situation. He feels the volunteer army results in poor and working class blacks and whites going to war while better off people escape sacrifice. It's his viewpoint, and he is also a veteran himself.

[seasat]

28. That was Charles Rangel.

His reasoning was that with a draft pulling in sons and daughters of the wealthy and some of the congressmen, the neocons would be less likely to go to war.

[Dems Will Win]

29. Rangel is a dope, when the draft always takes the minorities and the rich

will always all have doctor's excuses--unless they really want to go.

The point is not Rangel's bill, which drafts women for combat and the GOP hates it, but whether Bush gets re-elected instead of Dean/Clark. With Bush you get the DRAFT and with Dean/Clark you don't.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. It is going to happen

Wolfowitz and Rummy need it

Now here is the way I see it... if they win it will be activated by March '05... they need them troops

If they loose they will go ahead and activate it anyway, they know that this will create sheer hate and discontent in the streets and trust me, they need an excuse to disavow things, they are that crazy...

[catmandu57]

26. A scorched earth policy

I believe you're right on there, if they can't steal the government again then there will be no reason these America loving flag waving patriots won't do their damndest to undermine the incoming admin.

[Cronus Protagonist]

10. I thought the Nile was in Egypt

I must have been worse at geography than I thought.

FUCK BUSH Buttons, Stickers & Magnets

[Dems Will Win]

14. You mean the Republicans will stand up to Tom Delay when he thunders

"WE WILL NOT CUT AND RUN"?

There's a Bridge in Brooklyn that you must be dying to buy.

There's bigger things at stake here than some seats that they might be able to steal anyhow (see Bev Harris threads). If a Dem comes in, then there will be no DRAFT as they will share the management with France, the UN et al.--WHICH BUSH REFUSES TO DO BECAUSE OF THE PNAC PLAN--and recruitment and re-enlistment will stay high enough because the Army now knows that the Democrats will treat them WAY better than Bush has.

Bush = DRAFT Dean/Clark = NATO/UN troops, high recruitment and re-up rates and the preservation of the Volunteer Army, the capture of Osama Bin Laden and the capture of Saddam (the last guys the Bushies want). Ergo, NO DRAFT!

[Bandit]

17. Republicans are feeling invincible now

They feel they can do anything they wish without consequence. If they want endless war they need warm bodies. There will be a draft as long as Republicans maintain control.

[mikehiggins]

23. The country can't go to war without the consent of Congress BUT

They found a way to get around that, didn't they?

If the alternative is folding the Iraq tent, you can be sure Bush will get more than enough Republicans AND Democrats to pass it. After all, we can't afford to lose in Iraq, right? Right!

So, send 50,000 poorly trained, totally unmotivated kids over there and lets see what happens?

The only way to prevent this is to stop Bush flat next November.

[BeHereNow]

11. Best thing I've read yet on this subject-

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article4605.htm
Seems pretty clear that they have no choice, and it
solves many of their problems as far as economics.
And let's face it- the bottom line with these people is
MONEY.
BHN

[jiacinto]

13. One logical question about the draft

1) Aren't there some people who just aren't physically fit for the military?

2) Wouldn't it cost the army and the other armed services a lot of time AND money to train people who are untraianble?

3) and wouldn't that drain funds from areas that are more crucial?

4) or would they put the untrainable behind desk jobs?

[alfredo]

18. I think most of the draftees will be for support positions, not the

high tech battlefield positions. That will free up more of the enlisted for combat.

[GreenPartyVoter]

21. Talk to some Viet Nam draftees

They'll tell you there is no such thing as standards when you want to fill up an Army.

[BeHereNow]

22. Your questions are all answered

in the essay I posted (#11)
It first appeared at ICH. (Information Clearing House)
If you don't have time to read the whole thing now,
I highly recommend printing out for later...
How are you doing btw?
Hope you are feeling better, it aint easy these days!
BHN

[Dems Will Win]

24. Answers to your 4 questions from Dems Will Win

1) Aren't there some people who just aren't physically fit for the military?

Not if you are a doctor, nurse, one of 62 medical specialists, computer expert, engineer and especially a linguist, you have to be really disabled or under the age of 45 or they will make you REGISTER and take part in the DRAFT LOTTERY. There will be a "Special Skills DRAFT" (SSS Director Brodsky's top priority)

2) Wouldn't it cost the army and the other armed services a lot of time AND money to train people who are untraianble?

Sorry, they put most DRAFTEES in the infantry after 6 weeks and they make you pass boot camp, whioch Rummy and Bush have reduced to just 6 weeks to save money.


3) and wouldn't that drain funds from areas that are more crucial?

Yup! All that's important to Bush and Rummy and Cheney is the PNAC Plan. You can do your homework by typing in PNAC on a search engine or go to their Web site, which Rummy told reporters to do when they asked about the future of the War on Terra, at

http://www.newamericancentury.org (in short, they planned from '92 to '98 how to conquer Iraq, have a big base there from which they control the oil until it runs dry). Besides Bush doesn't even know the difference between a $500 billion budget deficit and an $750 billion deficit because he has math dyslexia too.


4) or would they put the untrainable behind desk jobs?

No, see 2. They go into the infantry and straight to the front lines as DRAFTEES always have. The desk jobs Rummy wants to be civilian contractors like Halliburton or DRAFTED SPECIAL SKILLS people like computer people, engineers and linguists, who they will teach ARABIC even if you know Italian or French (they figure if you have a knack, not enough Arabic experts to go around)

[JackSwift]

16. One of our brave candidates should call for vulunteers to make an

issue of this, and to excoriate Bushler for not calling for volunteers.

[Snellius]

20. Dick Morris is going around blaming the draft on Hillary

Morris thinks this is the ultimate Democratic stealth strategy: to force Bush to send more troops to Mess-opotamia so he will have to reinstitute the draft so the public will sweep the warmongers out of power and inaugurate Hillary as queen. Either Hillary is really clever or Dick Morris is really, really, really twisted.

[oasis]

30. kick

[PaDUer]

36. Morris is a toesucker..

let him join the freeps in line...

[RBHam]

32. Fixin' to Die in Iraq

http://www.countryjoe.com/iraq_fixins.htm

[Dems Will Win]

33. Kick