Bartcop endorses Clark

[crissy71]

Bart's a Wes fan and just posted an amusing account of one of his visits to Oklahoma

http://www.bartcop.com/general.htm

[seventhson]

1. BARTCOP???

No wonder I always thought that site sucked.

But damn there were some great folks there back in the ....you know.

[wndycty]

4. Of course. . .

. . .Bartcop endorses Clark and your view of Bartcop changes. . .hmmmm.

[Walt Starr]

14. That's interesting

Bartcop announces he supports Clark and my opinion of Clark changes. :evilgrin:

Clark just jumped from number 5 to a neck and neck battle for the top spot with Dean in my book.

[Zomby Woof]

31. what about your job going to India??

:eyes:

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

40. Dean is Pro-NAFTA/GATT too, remember?

It's too bad Dean wasn't forcefully AGAINST the corporate trade agreements, instead of being weakly FOR them. Now there's one less issue that's different between Dean and Clark.

[Zomby Woof]

41. no argument here

It's just that Walt went all ballistic on Clark (I am neither a Clark nor Dean person, so I am objective here) because of some comments he made in the debate about letting India keep the high-tech jobs.

I think it's funny a person can switch allegiances to a candidate with less trouble than changing one's mind about a flavor of ice cream.

[TexasPatriot]

45. if you're going after Clark re India jobs

I think, maybe, you should also consider focusing on the entities responsible. Here's a couple from the hindustan times:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_481940,0003.htm
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_482137,0003.htm

A couple weeks ago, a bunch of Austin religious groups started organizing and badgering construction companies that were working on building a new Planned Parenthood facility - ended up shutting it down. If people are so pissed about this sort of BPO outsourcing why not put the pressure where it belongs - on these companies, and the companies that employ them. Accenture already moved its ass to Bermuda to avoid paying taxes - so if you want someone to be pissed at start hammering the domestic firms that actually hire companies like this.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

46. It's the fault of the US corporations, no one else's

The problem is that most of the leadership in the Democratic party - including Dean, and Clark's people, and most everyone else - is 100% pro-outsourcing and off-shoring by US corporations. And they still want to give them free access to our market, even as they refuse to hire Americans at American wages. Unbelievable!

[Zomby Woof]

62. you all are still missing my point

I have no dog in this fight - I was just mocking the fickleness of WaltStarr, who loves Clark one day, and hates him the next. Why waste your time throwing stats at me when I wasn't arguing for or against what he said in the debate one way or the other.

Ah, GD! :crazy:

[Donna Zen]

65. 100%

I don't know about Dean's policy, other than he has been pro-NAFTA. I do understand Clark's policy which made me grit my teeth, but it is honest. If I am honest when I said I don't want to be lied to by a politician, then I have to live with it.

Even protectionist policy can't stop jobs from leaving. What we can do is enforce the tax laws that are on the books, and close the tax loopholes that encourage the bastards. Secondly, move the upper level tax give away to the jobs creation side of the equation. Finally, create and push new technologies to (Clark just named a steady stream of them tonight but I only caught nano tech) make new jobs in new fields, including tech sector jobs that will be created when we upgrade our systems in healthcare. Americans need to stop the megacorps that are pushing us to compete with the 3'rd world. How in the hell can Americans live on 3'rd world wages. Clark has said that we are only at the beginning of the technology age, and he is concerned that if we don't take the lead, others will eat our lunch.

Clark has said the the government purchases should be made from companies using US labor. He also wants corporate profits used to level the playing field by rewarding the labor that created those profits.

I can deal with that.

[Eloriel]

68. What a surprise! /sarcasm

I have gone to Bartcop's site exactly twice. Both were such a turnoff, because of what you allude to, that I never went back and never will.

So it's NO surprise to me Bartcop has endorsed Clark. None whatsoever.

Eloriel

[chimpymustgo]

2. Hey, nice one! Go Clark!

nt

[neuvocat]

3. That's really going out on a limb.

Hope there isn't too much backlash.

[Toucano]

5. "I felt like I was shaking a president's hand."

That's a nice feeling, I'll bet.

[leftchick]

42. when chimpass* was that age he was...

blowing up his pet frogs..... he was psycho from the get go!

[wndycty]

6. This is a good get!

:kick:

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

7. And I will STILL go and enjoy his site! n/t

Just because he's not endorsing my candidate, does not mean he's the antichrist.

[wndycty]

10. Here here!

We need more of that. My Congressman, Jesse Jackson Jr., did not endorse my candidate, Clark, yet I still give him my full support. We need to allow people to make up their own minds. Billy I look forward to joining forces with you when this is all said and done.

[NNN0LHI]

28. Jesse Jackson Jr. is my Congressman too. Best one I ever had n/t

[wndycty]

29. I did not know that. . .

. . .howdy neighbor!

[cmd]

8. Yes!

:thumbsup:

[Dr Satan]

9. no shock

Bartcop was never a liberal, only a mere anti-Bush.

[Bread and Circus]

11. Oh no, god forbid....Bartcop doesn't pass Satan's liberal sniff test....

Is that what we've become: "you're either with us liberals,
or you're against us"?

[wndycty]

12. Well you know Bartcop is a Rover operative. . .

. . .its obvious he is not supporting Dean.

[_NorCal_D_]

23. Of course!

B-)

[roguevalley]

39. He's going to talk about ANY dem that has balls. If people like

Daschle would grow some, Bart would give them a standing O.

[democratreformed]

15. That's the impression

I've been getting for a while now.

[Justice]

16. Isn't That The Real Point?

ABB.

[roguevalley]

20. He's a liberal. Bart gives him a shout out and I agree.

I don't care what others think. You have
to support that person you believe in and
I am tired of telling people why I believe
in Clark. Its for everything, not just
security. Clark supporters have to keep
explaining the totality of their decision
in a way no one else has to.

I will support ANY dem but Clark gives me
hope like John Kennedy did. I hope he wins.
I hope he and dean or something get this
thing going. Bush has to go. Go, Clark.

Thank you, Bart, for the conversation.

[Carolina]

70. Absolutely, love Bart and love Clark

and you're right, Clark is the whole package. If you were lucky enough to catch him on C-SPAN tonight, it reinforced that he is the right man for the job. :toast:

[absyntheNsugar]

37. Wait a sec....

Where do people get the impression Clark is not a liberal...

I've always thought, issue by issue, Clark was more liberal than Dean. That doesn't make him better or worse in my book, but he is more liberal on the issues.

[RedEarth]

13. I was at that rally and came away very impressed with Clark

If you ever have the chance to see Clark in person, I would certainly take the time to do it. The meeting was in OKC and there were a number of people from Texas and Kansas there also.

[democratreformed]

17. This Friday

is my big day. He is going to speak to our group from the Clark Convoy as we get ready to embark on our trip. Ooooh!!! It' getting VERY CLOSE now. And we are really getting excited!

[_NorCal_D_]

18. Gotta love

www.bartcop.com! B-)

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. THIS is absolutely fantastic!

That was a great article. I loved the audio clip..."They say the first thing to go in politics, is your voice. The second thing is your handshake. And I'm afraid to ask what the 3rd thing is!" Hahaha! Funny!


He has a sense of humor too! :bounce: That man is a DREAM come true! He just has to be our president!

[unfrigginreal]

21. I guess ol' Bart goes out to pasture with MWO for me.

I'll pick him up again after we have a nominee.

[wndycty]

24. Hey I still support Jesse Jackson Jr.

Even though he did endorse my candidate. It seems like some people have a lot of growing up to do.

[unfrigginreal]

26. Get a grip pal

I'm not going to stop reading Bartcop altogether. I'm just not going to be reading him until the nomination has been settled.

[wndycty]

27. Why. . .

. . .why do you need to suspend your activities. I am not going to suspend my support for Congressman Jackson until the primaries are over. What it is? C'mon tell me? Why suspend your visits to his site? What did he do to deserve this? C'mon, inquiring minds want to know?

[unfrigginreal]

30. It's like this

I can read here all that I care to about the Clark campaign and here I have the opportunity to respond to what I'm reading. I have no interest in developing a bad taste for Bartcop the way that I did for MWO when they decided to show their colors for Clark.

[wndycty]

32. So you think all he will write about is Clark between now and then. . .

. . .and you abandoned MWO as well. What are you going to do if Clark wins the nomination and then the presidency. . .move? Do you need help working through this. . .I know some people you can talk to.

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[Justice]

44. I am Committed To The Nominee

Whoever it is. Many of us are - don't be discouraged.

ABB

[Beaker]

33. well there's someone with an open mind-

and a liberal attitude to boot.

[bpilgrim]

22. "a deranged northeast liberal with a temper " who'd a thunk it?

"but if you agree with me (you kinda have to)" :evilgrin:

peace

[11cents]

25. Gotta love the Bartcop

I've been reading his stuff since before there was a web to speak of, when he was sending the "RUSH LIMBAUGH - LYING NAZI WHORE" newsletter to the Usenet. I kind of figured Clark would be his kind of guy

[jmaier]

34. I'd like to get more excited

I'd like to get a bit more excited about this but WHO exactly is bartcop? I'm so out of touch culturally. I did enjoy reading his up close and personal account of time with Clark, though. I was able to get close enough to shake Clark's hand in Chicago and heard him speak for a few minutes.

There is a quite sense of purpose, calm, intelligence and humor that surrounds him. I got to meet (listen to, shake hands with) Clinton a few times in the '92 primary race and Clark seems a bit more ... um ... presidential.

[Myra]

38. Hi jmaier

Bartcop has a daily journal he keeps at:
http://www.bartcop.com/.
He publishes letters and discussions and
political cartoons. There's also a discussion forum.

His site has been around a long long time, since coup2k.
He's consistently anti-Bush, has been for years, is very
outspoken about it, and I think he's completely sincere
and credible.

He's nobody's puppet.

I'm pretty sure he has a real name. :)

[Fescue4u]

59. Real name is Marc Perkel

He's a software entrepauner.

Nice guy, I met him at Networld about 12 years ago and ended up doing some business with him.

[americanstranger]

61. Perkel is not BartCop.

Perkel hosts the site, but he and BC are two different people.

I've met Bart. He is not Mark Perkel.

-as

[Fescue4u]

64. Oh? I stand corrected!

Thanks..

[Spazito]

43. This is great news!

As a Canadian, I can't donate to the Wesley Clark campaign but I CAN donate to bartcop! Thanks for this info!

[wndycty]

47. Kick

:kick:

[Ksec]

48. I read him everyday.

Bartcop is a funny guy and his angles are priceless. He gets right to the point and thats one of the things I like about his site. I cant believe some of you have never heard of him. Trust me, hes a straight shooter, and a true freind of Democrats.

[Carolina]

71. me, too

AM coffee and Bartcop. Discovered the site shortly after Coup 2000 and have been a devotee ever since. BC and DU make my day, every day, since the occupation of the Bushistas.

[Closer]

49. I KNEW there was a reason

I stopped going to his website a couple months ago.

Between the nearly pornographic pictures of "hot chicks" and his creaming his pants over Clark daily, I saw very little content.


Good thing he doesn't have much influence eh? :hi:

[wndycty]

50. Again. . .

Another person who all of sudden is down on Bartcop. We have a lot people who just need to be mature enough to accept that Bartcop likes someone other than their candidate and just move on. I have. Slurp, slurp, slurp.

[Closer]

51. What's that you're slurpin off your lip there?

Oh wait, nevermind. :hi:

[Ksec]

53. Just because you have no sense of humor

Oh Wait you do. Youre a Dean guy. nevermind.

[wndycty]

55. I am just tasting some Dean flavored Kool Aid

To see if I can see the world the way that others do. I back Clark, but I cannot for the life of me see abandoning publications, Websites, politicians, etc. because they don;t support my guy. So I am wondering if this Dean favored Kool Aid will help me see things your way.

[rumguy]

52. B-Cop is a smart dude and hella' funny

So he likes hot chicks? At least he's not PC - ewww..that's the worst..

[Renew Deal]

54. I'm looking all over that site for the hot chicks.

I have never been there before. If I can't find them, they must not be that gratuitous.

[rumguy]

56. Yes - he's not gratuitous or pornographic about it

Just a nice pic here and there to spice things up from time to time.

He really has a thing for Shirley Manson - the lead singer of Garbage.

[Renew Deal]

57. I saw her at the bottom.

That wasn't bad. BTW, I love hot chicks.

[rumguy]

60. I like hot chicks too

Cheers!

[NNN0LHI]

63. I think we may have a meeting of the minds on this one n/t

[wndycty]

58. Oh the horror

:kick:

[chaska]

66. Great news! I've been sensing this one coming on.

"One last thing, and this isn't meant to piss off the Dean supporters and the Kerry supporters, but if you agree with me (you kinda have to) that Bush will run his 2004 campaign as the candidate who can best get the military to protect us, how can you not say Clark is the best man to counter that clumsy Bush lie?

I like Dean - I even sent him some money, but we're going to have some helps-Bush terrorist attacks between now and the election and people will be scared and they're going to vote for their safety and
the B.F.E.E. will paint Dean as a deranged northeast liberal with a temper and they can't do that to Clark.

Plus, it'll be hard for Bush's good puppy press to say Clark doesn't know foreign affairs and Clark might even win a lot of votes from the military and gun owners, two groups that dissed Gore in 2000.

I've always said I would support the Democrat who has the best shot at beating Bush. The object is to lose Bush, not win the election for any particular Democrat.

Can I get a "Hell, yeah!" for a Clark-Dean ticket?" Bartcop

[NoPasaran]

67. Bart's been making goo goo eyes

at Clark for months now. But I still read his page just about every day. You gotta love someone who LOATHES Bush as much as he does. And Bartcop hammers home every day that the most important thing is ejecting that illegal usurper and his junta from power so we're all going to have to unite around the Nominee, whoever that turns out to be.

[Carolina]

69. Great

gotta love BC!

[KG]

72. heh

bartcop also claims bill clinton is the best prez this country ever had, and wanted to nuke afghanistan after 9-11.

he's a centrist wacko. :)

[RetroLounge]

73. Doesn't surprise me.

I dropped bartcop and MWO from my favorites a while ago.

Nothing new there, and much bias. Okay reading, but nothing for me I can't get here.

How would you feel if Skinner endorsed Dean and made the front page of DU a Dean site?

[SeveneightyWhoa]

74. That would suck.

But did you realize that Bartcop is basically a personal blog? How can you even compare that to DU?

[robbedvoter]

75. Always loved Bart! The Horse too (they also endorsed Clark)

My favorite websites and my favorite candidate - I'm in heaven! :bounce: