Dean and the national security establishment

[mmonk]

Thought this was interesting.
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0414-09.htm

[blm]

1. One of Dean's advisors is Toby Moffett, partner of Bob Livingston(R-perv)

Moffett was a VP at Monsanto and now lobbies for firms seeking to do business in Iraq.

This whole campaign schtick of his that he is an outsider is a joke and plain old deception.

[Hep]

2. Moffett is a D from Connecticut

Why the guilt by association BS? Right, you have nothing better.

[sangh0]

4. You don't like guilt by association?

Tell it these people:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=817779&mesg_id=817779

[sangh0]

5. Funny how you don't dismiss the claims against Clark

as nothing, but you will when it's against Dean

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=817779&mesg_id=818027&page=

[HFishbine]

8. Translation

"You won't dismiss claims against Clark, but when the claims are against Clark, you won't dismiss them."

:think:

[sangh0]

10. Typo

THe last word should have been "Dean", not "Clark"

I've edited it to correct it.

But I like the way you completely failed to note the hypocrisy of dismissing criticism of Dean, while not dismissing when Clark was similarly criticized.

[HFishbine]

7. That's not association

That's involvement.

[sangh0]

13. Really?

So what did Clark actually do?

[Hep]

6. Here's a neat story about moffett

Toby Moffett: An Old Hand For Greens
Shifts Allegiance To Gore

WASHINGTON - While former representative Toby Moffett of Connecticut once fought for the ideals held by Ralph Nader, the Green Party presidential candidate, he is now working toward a different goal: preventing Nader from drawing votes from Al Gore.

Moffett, who cofounded the Connecticut Citizen Action Group with Nader in the 1970s and became a staunch advocate for the environment and other causes that Nader espouses, last month formed a committee made up of 10 former Nader co-workers to campaign against the Green Party nominee.

While a long shot in the race, Moffett said, Nader complicates Gore's task of defeating Republican candidate George W. Bush in states with large numbers of undecided voters. He said his group is acting independently, without prompting from the Gore camp.

All this is not an attack on Nader. It's clear that a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush, said Moffett, adding that even Nader concedes that point.

Moffett, 56, has been in the political arena since 1969, when he was an aide to then-Senator Walter F. Mondale, a Minnesota Democrat. He served four terms in the House, where he became an environmental and consumer rights advocate, before an unsuccessful bid for the US Senate in 1982.




http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45/167.html

[Hep]

11. Here's another

This guy is EVIL!

Elected Progressives, Labor Leaders, Women Rights Advocates, and Other Allies Call on Nader to Urge Supporters to Back Gore in Key State

WASHINGTON - November 1 - "The prospect of waking up on November 8 to a Bush presidency is too dangerous to too many. Ralph, do not let your candidacy be the reason for that to happen," wrote a number of progressive members of Congress, labor leaders, women rights advocates and others to Green Party presidential candidate Ralph Nader. They continued, "Ask your supporters to in swing states to vote for Al Gore."

Those who signed the letter have worked side by side with Nader for years on consumer safety, labor rights, and environmental protection campaigns in Washington and across the country. They write that, while they have been "inspired" by Nader for decades, they find it inconceivable that "...ou can disregard, or even relish, the fact that your candidacy may help elect George W. Bush as president on November 7 and may result in control of the White House, Senate and House of Representatives by forces who would turn back the clock on civil rights, economic gains and social justice."



http://www.commondreams.org/news2000/1101-09.htm

[Hep]

19. More:

Toby Moffett is currently CEO of Livingston, Moffett Global Consultants, an international consulting company representing a number of private sector and non-profit organizations in Washington, DC and around the world. The company has affiliates in more then twenty countries and regions including Europe, Central Europe, India, Africa, the Far East and Latin America.

Prior to his consulting work, Moffett was nominated by President Bill Clinton to be US Ambassador to Argentina. While awaiting confirmation by the US Senate, Moffett worked closely with the US Ambassadors in Latin America on issues regarding climate change, intellectual property problems facing US companies in the region, trade, arms sales and the drug war.

From 1975-83 Moffett served as a member of the US House of Representatives from the __ District of Connecticut, where he:

Chaired hearings and lead investigations into groundwater contamination which lead to passed legislation to address the problem

Chaired hearings and lead investigations into emergency evacuation procedures around nuclear plants following the Three Mile Island incident.

Lead congressional delegations to the Middle East named by President Carter and the Secretary of State. Successful in bringing about short-term cease-fire in Lebanon. He has also been to most of the major peace signings in the Middle East, most recently with Clinton in Damascus.

Led a delegation to investigate conditions in refugee camps following the declaration of martial law in Poland. This resulted in more liberal US policies for Polish refugees seeking entry into the US.

One of the three House members who exposed human rights abuses by the ruling junta in Chile and worked successfully to cut off aid to Chile.


http://www.podiumprose.com/topics/inter_trade.html

[blm]

12. Too bad he sold out to Monsanto and to defense contractors.

So sad.

[Hep]

16. Whatev!

Sold out how, exactly? HOw come you never provide links like the objective people do?

[mmonk]

9. Well there's always this

http://www.talkleft.com/archives/003739.html

[Hep]

14. WOW! Hearsay and editorializing

Well done!

[sangh0]

3. And in another thread

Clark is criticized by a Dean supporter for the connections Clark has

[TLM]

15. So Dean knew someone who was a lobbyist...

and that's bad for Dean... but Clark WAS A LOBBYIST and that's OK with you?


Obviously it is not the lobbyist part that bothers you... it is the Dean part you hate.

[killbotfactory]

17. That article is nonsense

And pretty much any article that describes Dean as "anti-war" isn't worth the time of day.

Here's a quote from an article Dean wrote in response to these types of accusations.

On day one of a Dean Presidency, I will reverse this attitude. I will tear up the Bush Doctrine. And I will steer us back into the company of the community of nations where we will exercise moral leadership once again.

April 17th, 2003

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