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Gringo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 12:20 PM
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Poll question: Narrowed Down Straw Poll - 2004 Democrats
Sorry - there's No "Other" field.

You don't like them, don't vote.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 12:23 PM
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1. didn't vote
but like Dean.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 12:24 PM
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2. Gephardt!
second choice, Kucinich.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 12:27 PM
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3. Quick, Gephardt needs you.
On the other poll running, that is not narrowed down, Gephardt is still stuck at zero votes.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 12:30 PM
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4. For Dean, not voting because they can be skewed.
How many user names can a person have? That is how many votes. Put that with the call out on the Clark blogs to come here and vote on the others......and there you go.

So I support Dean, but I won't vote. I know of two people who have more than one user name still active, there are probably many more..
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Gringo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 12:34 PM
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5. No offense, but Dean is ahead thus far...
And although I support Dean and not Clark, I think it's a bit much to imply that Clarkies are that dishonest and fanatical. I choose to believe that Clarkies are by and large motivated by the same thing we Deanies are motivated by: a desire to improve our country, and get rid of the BFEE.

I voted for Dean.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 12:40 PM
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6. On moveon.org
I had over 5 account that I could have voted on. I only voted once. I heard freeps had voted Dean (my choice) by the dozens. All polls are skewed, just vote for fun!
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 01:05 PM
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12. Oh no?
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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 01:15 PM
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15. Eloriel
I went to that link and don't see what you're talking about?
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 01:34 PM
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16. One thread has already been locked
Locked for exactly the type of statement you just made, though I think the discussion in response to the "freep" header thoroughly refuted the original post. Here is the link to that thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=798828&mesg_id=798828

Second, your link may or may not have a post about Clark people being encouraged to use DU, but it was simply underhanded to direct people to an Anti Clark rant thread on that pretext. Even a quick glance at the opening post reveals an out right lie (or maybe misinformation at that point, the thread is from Mid October for christ's sake) That lie that caught my eye by the way was "Clark likes the Patriot Act".

Third, if we are about directing people to our favorite threads. Here is a hatchet job debunking exploraton I would reccomend regarding Clark's "encouraged retirement" from the military, which was the first topic hit on in the thread you directed us to:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=798403

Now, regarding the Clark as corporate tool rant which was the prime focus of the thread you directed folks to with your "freeper" claim, here is a post I copied from another thread on DU. Sorry I didn't save the link for it, but it does deals with those types specific attacks in response to another poster who was making them:


: "As far as looking into Clark's buddy boy circle... Take a look at Anthony Huang and a company called Rexton Media. Take a look at their customer list. http://www.rextonmedia.com"

(The reply):

Despite my best efforts, I can find no direct link between Welsey Clark, Anthony Huang, and Rexton Media. The Closest link I could find was that while Clark was managing director of merchant banking for the Stephens Group Inc. of Little Rock, Ark., the company bought shares of Tyco stock and that Tyco is a client of Rexton Media.

If this is the case you are building, I totally reject it. It is nothing more than the odd little connect the dots game that gets played here often. Are we living in a bizarro world where associations, even indirect associations, with companies that one political group or another finds to be lacking makes one lacking, too?

But I did study Rexton Media's customer list like you suggested. Sure. Some baddies on there. Some good folks, too. Can't find a Carlucci link (that you mentioned in a PM) unless, again, Carlucci is associated with one of Rexton's customers which gives an odd "third cousin twice removed" link with Wesley Clark.

"Next have a look at Entrust Technologies, the company Clark just stepped down from... http://www.entrust.com (Kind of sounds like Enron, doesn't it?)"

(The Reply):

I guess ENtrust does sound like ENron. So? Are you implying that because the company did business with several government agencies, this is a bad thing for General Clark? And because "Entrust" sounds like "Enron" that makes them bad? "Intel" sounds like "Enron," too.

Where's the connection?

"Now go look at the insider trader reports here: Look up symbol ENTU and go to insider info- (take note of NORTEL connection there too.) http://www.finance.yahoo.com/ And who is Nortel? FRANK CARLUCCI president until very recently...who is Nortel in partnership with? ENTRUST!"

(The Reply):

First off, what does "insider trading" have to do with the link you gave?

Secondly, Carlucci wasn't president of Nortel, he held a non-executive chairman of the board position.

Now, the Nortel-Entrust connection? This is about all I can find:

"Entrust Technologies Inc. (Nasdaq: ENTU), the global leader for solutions that bring trust to e-business, today announced that Nortel Networks'* (NYSE/TSE: NT) Contivity* Extranet Switch has passed Entrust Technologies' in-house testing earning the designation of Entrust-Ready™. Customers of Nortel Networks are now assured that the Contivity Extranet Switch is tightly and securely integrated with the Entrust/PKI™ software to bring scaleable and manageable trust to their remote access, branch-office, and business-to-business Virtual Private Networks (VPN's)."

So Entrust tested a Nortel product, it passed the test, and now they partner with Nortel using it?

So?

Where does Wesley Clark fit in with this? Oh, I get it. Because Clark was on the board of directors at Entrust at the same time Carlucci was the non-executive chairman of the board of Nortel when that deal was struck, right?

WRONG!

Wesley Clark was on the board of Entrust from January 2002 to October 2003. Carlucci resigned from his position at Nortel in April of 2001! They never served on the respective boards at the same time.

You post is just another example of far-left "Six degrees of Kevin Bacon" name/corporation association that, after scrutiny, just doesn't wash.

Your implication is that being associated with said companies and/or profiting from them makes you a corporatist.

Here, then, is what I expect from you:

You cannot purchase, use, or benefit from the following companies who have done business with Rexton Media:

Do not buy gas from...

Amoco
BP
Texaco

Got an Air Conditioner from Honeywell? Rip it out!

Don't use phone and phone services from Sprint or T-Mobile (oh dear god! Actress Catherine Zeta-Jones is T-Mobile's global spokesperson! She's in bed with Clark, Carlucci, and the BFEE!)

If you get sick or injured in Houston, DON'T go to the Methodist Hospital of Houston. Die before you let them corporatist pigs work on you!

You cannot purchase, use, or benefit from the following companies who have done business with Entrust:

Cisco Systems Inc.
IBM
Lucent Technologies
Microsoft Corporation
Novell
..and many others whose products and expertise have allowed you to post on Democratic Underground..




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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 03:14 PM
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24. Don't confuse!
Clark-haters with logic.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 03:55 PM
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28. Utterly. Completely. Absolutely. Crushing.
But it takes common sense and integrity to realize when you've had the rhetorical snot beat out of you, so expect to see the same people, like whack-a-moles, pop up with the same things over and again. It's what they do.
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Gringo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 01:37 PM
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17. I don't know what you're talking about either, but...
All I'm saying is that there's no need to smear Clarkies. I realize that poll-freeping happens, but to automatically blame it on Clarkies, who are mostly well-intentioned, is not honest or right. If Dean gets the nomination, the last thing we need is ill will from Clarkies. I bear them no grudge, and will campaign for Clark, in spite of my reservations about him. I hope they will do the same for us. Fight the real enemy!
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 03:47 PM
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25. No comment, No time
http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/001697.html#145195

"DU Poll .. clarkroaches over there constantly beat up on Dean. Right now Dean is 38%, WC is 28% .. please vote if you can.. "


Not just DU:

http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/002072.html#170154

"On an earlier thread someone posted a 'hacked' link to a poll which asked to vote against a candidate - it's a parody of Survivor. Lots of people here clicked the link and inadvertantly voted against Dean. Now Dean's losing! Clark is in second, so he will be the easiest one to overtake Dean.

You can click my name to go there - and notice there aren't any CGI arguments in the URL, so it's a 'clean' link to the poll. Now go!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2003/10/31/152136/18"


Not just Dem sites:

http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/002072.html#170133

"please everyone:

Go here and vote for Dean. This is not just any online poll. This one may decide if Dean gets the AFSCME endorsement. Very big deal indeed.

http://www.afscme.org/vote/index.html"


This was only my second visit. The last time was not long ago when I dropped by to offer condolences over Charles Dean. It was all peace and love that day and it lasted about five minutes.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 02:36 PM
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23. I did not imply that.
They were calling for people to come here. I won't post the thread as it was locked. Other forums do it as well. It was just a little obvious with one poster.

I did not imply that they came here. I said that.

I do not know where you got the dishonest and fanatical?? I did not say that.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 01:06 PM
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13. I have one user name and so - voted once
n/t
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HoosierClarkie Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 04:16 PM
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31. Ok. I admit it...
I never heard of DU from the ClARK BLOG!!
Move on already. I know you are mad,but stop taking it out on us!
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 12:48 PM
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7. Ummm....Ummmm....I am ADAB (Any Democrat Against Bush)
Which has the advantage of eliminating Lieberman from my list. And I like both of these people.

Seriously, though, I think we need to win the southern states. Dean, even though he tried with the truck and flag statements, won't have as much traction as Clark.

Remember, freepers faint at the site of people in uniform, hawkish images. And even if Clark says he is a Democrat, Repugs (and democrats too, of course) associate the army brass with conservatism.

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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 12:51 PM
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8. Dean of course
but Clark will soon have 74% of the vote once all the Clarkettes use each of their 4 screen names here :eyes:
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Field Of Dreams Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 01:14 PM
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14. Just call me Sybil!
I have one screen name thank you very much.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 12:52 PM
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9. everytime I look at a poll bet. Clark/Dean it's always like 60 people...
who show up within 5 minutes that balance out the vote

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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 12:53 PM
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10. Dean!!!!!!
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 01:03 PM
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11. Clark (n/t)
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 01:52 PM
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18. Undecided here!
I have no choice at this time. I'm waiting for a while. I haven't seen anything decisive yet. I have had some great hopes for Dean. If Clark can impress me that he's the one to build the biggest united front against the neo-con/theocrats, then I'm for him.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 02:03 PM
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19. none of the above
is there a contest between the deanies & weaselites for the prize for most arrogant?
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 02:22 PM
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22. Yep. Here is the prize.


;)
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AmericanDem Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 02:15 PM
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20. What part of this is hard to understand?
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mndemocrat_29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 02:19 PM
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21. I voted for Clark
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 03:48 PM
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26. Dean, as usual (n/t)
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 03:52 PM
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27. You got chocolate in my peanut butter! No, you got peanut butter on my...
chocolate!

Too good things that go great together.

Dean/Clark = victory in 04.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 03:56 PM
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29. The Howard.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 03:58 PM
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30. poll participant checking in
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 06:14 PM
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32. well, I'm glad to see unity here at DU
it's so refreshing! :argh:
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