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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 11:06 AM
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 11:07 AM
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1. not in this life....
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 01:37 PM
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14. Only if they choose to buck the power structure...they get black-balled
I have relatives who work for DirecTV and hate the fact that Murdoch will be their boss...but they need to keep the pay check coming.
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annxburns Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 11:12 AM
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2. Oh no ....
.... they have blood on their hands for sure, but they won't admit it. Tweety, Hume, Snow, Woodruff, Zahn, all of them. I hope late at night they think "maybe I should of asked tougher questions" "maybe I could have stopped some kids from getting killed if I was as tough on Bush going into Iraq as I was on Clinton's sex life"

But I doubt it. They have sold their souls to the corporate media and tow the line. After all $200,000 to $2,000,000 a year will sooth a lot of guilt, who cares if another mother in Michigan weeps over her dead son.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 11:14 AM
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3. zero accoutability for enabling this destruction of our country....
I watched and heard them all laugh about deficit spending as the "way of the future" and it has no impact ...THEY ARE CLUELESS or they are part of the right wing

Can they see the collapse of the dollar?

Can they see our trade deficit widening (along with our manf base leaving)?

can they see a deficit that foreigners are beginning to say "I had enough"...


These people should be pushing for the truth. They all laughed about how medicare reform bill was a "win"...not if it were good for seniors.

I will remember.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 11:19 AM
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4. press
The media in this country are the traitors. I fully believe that. But they are protected by the Repubs and can and will do as they are told. They have sold out, plain and simple. It is difficult for me to really put in words just how callous I think they are. And I frankly believe it borders on treason. In three years the citizens of America have been sold out.
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muchacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 11:22 AM
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5. orgy
The corporate whores and the political whores are reveling in an orgy of misinformation and financial opportunism.

You got a problem with that commie?!!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 11:25 AM
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muchacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 11:26 AM
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7. correction
I stand, actually reclining with my feet on the coffee table, corrected.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 11:37 AM
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8. Nope.
They have sold their souls to the devil and the devil controls the media. The only punishment would be losing their job. They lose their job? They just go to the next RW media devil and get another one. They are all complicit as far as I'm concerned. I will never understand it. THEY too are citizens. THEY too are losing their civil liberties/rights. They too will be living under a fascist regime. THEY are on ones who should be standing up and fighting against this administration.....THEY have the POWER and are kissing the ass of KKK Rove. Their main concern is not their country, but their own job.

They have no Edward R. Murrow/Walter Cronkite INTEGRITY. NONE.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:08 PM
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9. Oh, this part of the whole mess both angers and saddens me because
there is no fix, no punishment anytime soon. They are accomplices to this fraudulous distortion. If only Murdoch could be found in violation of something, anything, then a change would follow.
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:30 PM
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10. In a truely
decent society, the like of AnnCoulter would either be ignored or punished.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:39 PM
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11. Personally I find Coulter just a laughable anorexic suffering dementia
from lack of caloric intake. The whole McCarthy thing, well, need I say more?
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 02:14 PM
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17. Punished. Then you just killed the first amendment.
Unless the first amendment protects Ann Coulter, then it won't protect us either.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:46 PM
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12. in a just world, they would be imprisoned for conspiracy
when their neocon masters go down for treason


Alas. This is not a just world.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 01:05 PM
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13. Aside from being corporate lackeys, they're not that bright....
Edited on Sun Nov-30-03 01:07 PM by DeepModem Mom
I don't think they've studied history, or how our politics and system of government are supposed to work -- or ever thought about such weighty topics. I don't think they have any idea of the responsibility of the press in a democracy. If there was a punishment -- censure, say, or loss of job -- I doubt they could comprehend the reason.
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 02:25 PM
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21. You're right
I used to work in journalism and they are a blank people. Only way I can describe it. No depth, no thought. Some I encountered hadn't read a book in years; their world was celebrities and sitcoms.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 02:25 PM
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22. On late edit...
I meant possible "punishment" such as censure by a professional organization, for not upholding journalistic standards, or job loss for incompetence, i.e., not performing adequately in the career of journalism. Journalists are free, as we all are, to speak and write.
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 02:07 PM
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15. They get a free pass
because they have broken no laws. Not agreeing with us is NOT a crime. Now, whether it is moral or not might be another question. One good reason to believe in God, or at least karma.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 02:13 PM
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SpaceCatMeetsMars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 02:20 PM
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18. Many of them act very contemptous of ideas and people
that they probably don't even understand. I notice that it looks easy to be a shallow, narcissistic, immature person because people like that are always putting on an image and putting up a front. But there are times when they probably feel left out and angry, like when they get confronted with truth or reality.
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 02:22 PM
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19. So you don't agree with having the First Amendment?
Much as the press may aggrivate us at times, unless the first amendment continues to protect them, then it will protect nobody. Then even "Mother Jones" would be in trouble. Disgree with the mainstream media - yes. Try to expose them - Yes. Punish them - NO!!!!! We have to win the viewers over to us.

What most people here don't realize is that the reason they are on so much is that people voluntarily tune them in, or buy their books. If people started tuning in more liberal media, then ALL of the media would shift leftward to gain audience. It is called FREEDOM OF CHOICE.

We have to make our choices more appealing. Your appeal is for some sort of coersion to MAKE the media toe our line, and that is the road to dictatorship.

When you are frustrated, it is easy to reach for that kind of shortcut, but it is a sword with no handle, only a blade. It cuts the one who wields it at the same time it cuts the opponent.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 02:29 PM
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 02:59 PM
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25. It is rather obvious.
You want to punish the press for daring to publish things you disagree with. You want to dictate to the media what they will and won't say. That takes away their freedom.
The First Amendment guarantees Freedom of The Press. - Even when they disagee with you.
Therefore you want to remove the First Amendment.

I would absolutely oppose your grab for the power of a tryant.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 02:24 PM
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20. just nasty emails from me
so far it hasn't been enough to shame them, but I'm going to keep trying.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 02:28 PM
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23. Me, too -- sometimes I pick up the phone.... n/t
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 03:36 PM
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26. so many different considerations
Edited on Sun Nov-30-03 03:36 PM by grasswire
1. The Washington press corps is a clubby bunch.

2. Washington society is a very tantalizing plum for them. The Alfalfa Club, the Cosmos Club, the snooty restaurants, the A list parties. They glimpse glamour and want in the club.

3. Young people are picked for these assignments, mostly for their camera appeal. Norah O'Donnell, David Gregory, Campbell Brown, Kelly Wallace, etc.

4. They have no sense of the power of the press.

5. They are intimidated by the WH.

6. They are easily duped.

If reporters who had EARNED a WH assignment were the ones asking questions, we wouldn't be in this stink. Reporters would be gruff and take no crap.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 03:41 PM
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27. that said....
....there are ways to pressure them. I post this now and then but don't get much response.

White House Correspondents Association (the current president is from the Weekly Standard, argh)

Editor and Publisher magazine

Society for Professional Journalists

National Press Club

Columbia Journalism Review

National Association of Newspaper Editors


Just find the web site and fire away.

The irony is that the Bushes admit to despising the press. They DESPISE the press.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 04:09 PM
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30. The Bushes
despise the press? WHY??????? They kiss their ass on a daily basis.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 03:41 PM
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28. sorry for the dupe post
Edited on Sun Nov-30-03 03:42 PM by grasswire
that's never happened to me! Is it me, or is it DU?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 03:41 PM
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29. another dupe post, sorry (eom)
Edited on Sun Nov-30-03 03:43 PM by grasswire
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 04:29 PM
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31. no. that's why we need a revolution against the media
We need to surround their buildings, cut their power, and shut them down.

Sorry, but that's what's needed. We can't vote them out, so what else is there?
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 04:33 PM
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32. No. Why would there be?
:shrug:
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