Quoting buffoons like O'Really, Coulter and Limbaugh

[Q]

- Shut up! That's O'Really's idea of a debate. Coulter hates liberals and wants to see them dead. Limbaugh once called Chelsea Clinton the 'white house dog' and says ALL drug users (except him) should be sent to prison.

- Something I've noticed over the last year is the proliferation of threads quoting crazy RWing pundits who say bad things about us. It seems that every time they project their hatred...someone feels compelled to tell us about it.

- Almost daily we hear from these hateful pundits who say we have no right to 'hate' their glorious leader Bush* and that we're stupid and ignorant for supporting anyone on the left.

- Enough already! We know they hate our guts. We know they want to put us on the defensive and talk about what THEY have to say instead of getting out our OWN message.

- Please think twice before spreading this garbage around DU. It's certainly your right to do so...but remember that you're helping THEM spread their message when you do it.

- Have a wonderful day.

[bryant69]

1. Oh this is nonsense

You need to know what the enemy is saying if you are going to combat it. Yeah, we all don't have any respect for those dopes but lots of the people around us do. If we can point out when they say something particularly stupid, that helps people wake up to what dopes they are.

Secondly its enjoyable to read the boneheads on occasion. I know that some people on here enjoy it a lot. If you don't, just don't read those threads.

I would agree that some take them too seriously, though. They are jokes, and if they complain that we are going the wrong direction, well, that's a pretty good sign we are going the right direction.

Bryant
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[soupkitchen]

5. "hear, hear"

Right on, brother.

[Q]

8. Isn't it a matter of proportion?

- Why is so much time and effort spent in discussion of these 'jokes'? Here we have Bush* using fear and death to promote his doctine of fear and death and many are obsessed with the sensational language of our detractors.

- Take a moment and look at how many responses the 'serious' threads get in General Discussion. They're literally buried in the threads discussing what bad things the right says about us.

- In essense you're saying that we have to pay attention to these buffoons because people 'around us' respect them. And could it be that we're being a bit naive if we think that the 'dopes' will change their minds if we 'point out' the stupidity of what their heroes say?

- I say 'go for it' if you want to spread this type of RWing propaganda. But 2004 is fast approaching and the Left seems to be spending more time on the defensive than trying to gain the upper hand and frame the debate.

[bryant69]

17. Well

I don't agree that serious issues are ignored in favor of raggin on Rush Limbaugh. I see many serious issues being debated--it's possible that some of your hobby horses are getting skipped over, but I think there are plenty of supstantive debates on DU.

I don't think it's naive to think we can reach out to the american voters--even those who don't share our views.

[sendero]

2. If nothing else....

.... I'm happy to see these comments disseminated just to counter the "we can't stoop to their level" crowd. While I agree we can't stoop to their level, only a hateful person could, we do have to give up the kumbaya rhetoric, it just does not play in Peoria.

There's a difference between being hateful and telling the painful truth in a pointed, perhaps even purposefully tactless way. We better learn how to do it soon.

[sendero]

3. Oh and by the way...

... "buffoon" is a perfect example. These people are way past buffoon. Nobody takes a buffoon seriously, but millions takes these people's word as meaningful.

If it weren't so early in the morning, I'd come up with a more suitable moniker :)

[Q]

4. I find it strange...

...and 'telling' that we seem to hear more quotes around here from Limbaugh and the others like him than quotes from notables on the Left. Why is that? Is it that the Left says nothing important enough to quote or discuss in depth?

- A Limbaugh thread will get dozens of posts...but a thread quoting Kennedy or Byrd or Gore is ignored like the plague.

- Is it that it's just more interesting to talk about scandalous and sensational behavior? Is this our own version of a 'reality' show?

[sendero]

6. I thought..

... you meant in the media in general at first.

I agree with this point, we all need to do a better job of spreading the ideas of the left. And a better job of stating them.

[farmbo]

7. They underscore the hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy of the Right Wing

Eg, when Ann Coulter slanders the immortal soul of Charlie Dean, she communicates to us-- and to Mainstream America-- the utter depravity of the Rightwing mindset.

And Rush's two- faced commentaries... they are like the 1982 Chateau Rothchild bordeaux of hypocrisy; fine wines to be savored and shared with close friends.

Mainstream Americans are rational people who will be utterly repulsed by the hate-filled comments of these baffoons. They amplify the moral depravity of those who utter them.

I say: bring these comments out into the light of day.

But, to anyone on DU who actually gets outraged by their comments... give yourself 20 lashes!!! It ain't worth it!

[Q]

9. The obssession...

...with these propagandists only helps to spread their message. That's exactly what they want.

[CityZen-X]

18. Absolutely Correct!

These media baboons are to be treated with total disregard. Their commentary is irrelevant to say the least. The reality of it all is that American's in majority are liberal. And these butt-puppets of the neo-cons and its target audience are a minority! Their vision of America is viewed through an anus saturated with Bu$h*t! The memory of their endeavor will be like a fading fart in a empty room.

[NewJeffCT]

19. to be honest

I'd love to see more point-by-point refutations of what Rush, etc say. So many folks out there believe what Rush says that if you occasionally point out something is not true, it may start to take effect on at least a few casual Rush listeners.

[CWebster]

10. This is where they get their news and are ultimately

indoctrinated.

Can't you tell?

It's never Commondreams, or Working for Change or the Progressive or the Nation, or Tompaine.com., or even the Guardian or the Independent.

[Q]

12. Indoctrination.

- It does make one wonder why some people spend SO MUCH time listening to those who show nothing but hate for our side. It's as if they're hypnotized and mesmerized by it.

- To each his own...but I'll spend my time pondering the questions posed at Commondreams...finding ways to oppose those who have taken control of this country and have sent out legions of smear teams to divide and conquer us.

[Junkdrawer]

11. But can we giggle when El Rushbo is arrested for money laundering??

Oh, that's right, he withdrew $9,900 on numerous occasions for walking-around money. He had no intention of helping his drug dealers evade income taxes or drug laws. My bad.

[Q]

13. It's beneficial if put in the context of the 'war on drugs'...

...otherwise it's of no use to our 'cause'.

- The war on drugs was a precursor to taking away our Bill of Rights. The Patriot act took care of the rest.

[poskonig]

14. Amen.

Intelligent people have no concern for Coulter's worthless twaddle.

[BigMcLargehuge]

15. and to demonstrate your point, you post RW talking points from those

same sources?

Aren't we supposed to know the enemy? plus, testing out refutations here prepares us for battle in the real world with freeper/dittohead coworkers and family.

[ShaneGR]

16. q is da bomb

on your head in the morning.