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[Cha]

1. "I'm proud to be in that corner", too! But don't worry

it's gonna swing back our way. I could give a few more cliches right now. Like .."It's always darkest before dawn".

But I feel it's true and we are going to win in 2004 and if we don't I'll cross that freakin' bridge when I get to it. :kick:

[Ripley]

2. I like you Pete, I really do, But...

Please don't break it down that way, because it's not quite accurate.

There are many Americans questioning what the hell is going on, and they don't fit into a box.

My father admitted to me recently that he is a registered Republican, however he says he absolutely hates this administration and will not vote Rep. next election (he is 72).

Don't pigeon-hole Americans...

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[whathappened]

3. living life upside down

my life and the lifes of my family mebers have been upside dow since jr took control of our lifes , we are working harder and making less , and just dont seem to be going anywhere , my pills i and my wife take have gone up so much that now we are fighting the fight of our lifes to just stay even , and my children are hurting real bad , 2 workers in the family was just getting by where we live , now it will take 1 of them working 2 jobs to make ends meet , who are suffering the children , yesim pissed at this bunch of greedy no good morans in power and i dont give a shit about them cause they have left all of us out in the cold and made there pockets fatter

[Postman]

5. I know how you feel, Pete...

Keep hope alive. Stealing another line from Shawshank Redemption - hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things.

We need to act. Maybe our feelings of helplessness come from the way we live our lives. Its easier to sit in front of the computer and voice our concerns than to actually do something -(not that I'm saying voicing concerns is not acting) -

How many of us have actually called our congressperson to lodge a formal complaint? Maybe you have, but the key to success is to get people to act.

Bush is going to be in Philadelphia tommorrow. How many of us can take off from work and protest this bastard?

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[shance]

6. I know Pete - its been pretty tough lately***

Its helps to know there are others who really care and want to do what is right and what is good.

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[Ripley]

10. Ok I'm happy bad boys are dead.

Now does that really make a difference?

[EOTE]

11. Who are the ones taking potshots at the troops?

The folks here who are trying to get international support so some of them can go home and see their families, or those on the other side of the aisle who call them traitors for speaking out against the horrific conditions they are facing and the bald faced lies they are being told by the chimp in chief?

[opihimoimoi]

14. count me in too

Com on guys, circle and spears pointed out.

[booisblu]

12. And exactly how

is that going to help fix the mess this country is in right now? Will the death of those two men help unemployment here? How about the homeless and unisured? What about the deficits? Yeah, I'm cheering really hard for the great strides made in IraQ. Sarcasm off

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[rman]

32. and ignore the bad news?

i don't think that's wise.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

26. You make no sense whatsoever

Please explain to me just exactly how in the hell killing 2 of Saddam's boys is going to make the US soldiers in Iraq safer.

Please try to use whole thoughts.

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[IndianaGreen]

29. Five dead and 9 wounded since July 23! You call that progress???

The following entries are based on day-to-day Central Command news releases and do not cover war-related casualties outside Iraq or the possible deaths of soldiers succumbing to their wounds at a later stage.

24 July:Three soldiers (101st Airborne Division) are killed after coming attack from gunfire and rocket-propelled grenades in northern Iraq.

23 July: A soldier (Third Armoured Cavalry Regiment) dies and two are wounded in an attack near Ramadi, west of Baghdad.

23 July: A soldier (101st Airborne Division) is killed and seven are wounded when an explosive device strikes their vehicles outside Mosul.

22 July: A soldier (Third Armoured Cavalry Regiment) is killed in a grenade attack on the road between Balad and Ramadi.

21 July: A soldier (First Armoured Division) is killed when his vehicle comes under attack in northern Baghdad.

20 July: A soldier is killed and two are injured in a vehicle accident near Baghdad International Airport.

20 July: Two soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division are killed in a grenade attack in Tal Afar, near Mosul.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3019552.stm

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[JanMichael]

15. Dude! I'm in OUR corner period!

I do however know that we're in for a fucking REAL (I can't tell you how bad it will get...) battle for the survival of a Progressive Humanity.

I'm glad you're with me.

Solid my friend.

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[JanMichael]

24. We will win however, no matter how bad it gets.

We have no choice in the matter so regardless of our weaknesses we WILL persevere:-)

We CARE about out "brothers" and dammit EVERYBODY is our "BROTHER"!

Altruism is a timeless call...Thet will all hear it eventually.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

17. When has America ever been

anything other than lost? From its inception, it was a lost nation. Our greatest moments in history are the moments when we repent and attempt to make ammends for our previous sins (and we usually can't even get that right). Has there ever been a golden age whence we can get lost? It hasn't all just come unraveled in the last 2 1/2 years.

All of this being said, item #2 on your list worries me the most: "In another corner: a cowed and profoundly unprincipled press corps and punditry."

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[Individualist]

25. Speaking of decency,

how do you like the way your boy Bush has lied to the nation? How do you like the way he went AWOL from the National Guard and pappy Bush saw to it that he got an honorable discharge?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

27. You need an education in the worst way

But it doesn't sound as if you're too interested in getting one.

Here's your magic number, Tex: 209.157.64.200.

[yowzayowzayowza]

31. "drink from the cup of freedom"

Don't guess your choken on the unprecedented liberty of those first amendment zones.

[Jacobin]

18. Well put.

In fact, very well put.

We are being tested. It's not going to be pretty. I want to believe that people will wake up and see what is becoming of our country, but its as if they are all at a football game, cheering and chanting for the "kick ass" team. It's just a big game, as Jeff Christy has convinced everyone....nothing real, as long as you have your job and your SUV....and you can look down your nose at others less fortunate or people of other color or from other countries.

Its bizarro world in a very very very bad way, and those in charge and those who were once the purported watch dog of those in charge are all marching in lock-step off a cliff....and we are watching in horror as it happens, screaming into the abyss, only to hear them laughing and jeering at us for not joining in with the brown boot stomp.

It's like an Edgar Allen Poe poem come to life.

[Ripley]

19. The beating heart just won't stop,

until I go crazy.

There is hope tho, many folks are now uttering "What about...?"

That's new.

[are_we_united_yet]

22. Pete

There certainly are Americans that are in the category 'hopeless'.

I do feel a momentum change however. Even the ostriches are beginnig to say WTF?

I've felt the pessimism but I have hope.

[OrdinaryTa]

23. Reasons for Optimism

There's a cycle to history. The pigs happen to be up at the moment, but they can't stay there. I think there's something essentially un-American about repression, and it won't last. We don't live long enough to see these cycles, so it's difficult to stay optimistic. But every day, new young Americans arrive on the scene. They will reject the Bush "message" because it's odious. Karl Rove's tricks won't work when resistance takes hold. The neocon moment in American history will pass - these things do.

The 50's was a timid time, full of conformism and McCarthyism. (Sorta like now.) Then the beatniks went out of their way to challenge things. They were punished in numerous ways, including ridicule, but it didn't stop them from greatly influencing the 1960's. Significantly, Jack Kerouac, a leader of the beat generation, didn't like hippies. He thought they were self-indulgent and airheaded. They were.

[iangb]

28. ..and in the 'Last Corner'.....

......some of us are digging very deep holes just as fast as we can......not that we don't have faith in the Dem's,........but just in case. :nuke:

[knight_of_the_star]

30. We have nothing to lose

Why do you think the Finns made it so damn hard for the Soviets when they invaded in 1940? They fought with the strength of men who had nothing to lose and the world to gain. They fought like wolves backed inot a corner. They may have us backed into a corner, but as Sun Tzu says, "In death ground, fight." We may be surrounded and outnumbered, but there are cases in history where armies have been able to break out of those circumstances and snatch an impossible victory from the jaws of defeat. We cannot run, surrender is not an option, it is time to draw swords again and stand firm, and if we fall then our defeat will be sung of as the fall of heroes for all time and will inspire others to carry on the fight.

[Iverson]

33. and in the poets' corner ...

Langston Hughes - "Let America Be America Again"
http://www.poets.org/poems/poems.cfm?45442B7C000C07010E70

Allen Ginsberg - "America"
http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/america.html

[deutsey]

34. Thanks Pete

I was just telling someone this morning how difficult it is to believe where we've gone as a nation lately. I'm just dismayed.

If it were not for DU, Pacifica, Buzzflash, et al., I'd be in a full, nose-dive depression right now. Instead, I'm inspired to keep on fighting.

As the folk song says: We will never give up, we will never give in!