Bill Clinton, George Bush and all these other maggots can kiss my ass

[WilliamPitt]

Everybody here needs to take a deep breath and remember the main tent.

Here's a reminder:

http://www.ericblumrich.com/swf/occupied.swf

Remember?

[anamandujano]

1. may I be one of the first to Amen your title

while I wait for your link to load

[anamandujano]

16. whew!

If someone decides to run that on TV, I pledge $ now.

Should we start emailing the link to the happy healthy just-back-from-the-gym-to-work-off-the-extra-calories congress fatcats?

[Kathy in Cambridge]

2. Powerful Flash

Thanks for posting.

Too bad we won't see this administration at the Hague any time soon...

[Postman]

3. Clinton was never "liberal" concerning foreign policy...

Be it democrat or republican, they both are capitalist imperialists in their foreign policy. Just because you may be perceived as liberal on domestic issues doesn't automatically translate to a liberal foreign policy. The history of US foreign intervention is one full of invasions, human rights abuses and occupations all for the benefit of corporate interests disguised as "national interest".

[trumad]

8. You forgot to yell fuck off to the Dems who authorized Dubya and gang

to do the things depicted in that Flash.

[WilliamPitt]

9. Ran out of room in the title line

:)

[Jacobin]

28. Shhhh.....don't say that out loud

Didn't ya hear? Mr. Pitt is backing Kerry in 2004...

[WilliamPitt]

31. You can say it as loud as you want

I AM BACKING KERRY FOR 2004.

[Native]

40. Finally decided huh?

I did too, but I've been keeping mum - afraid of getting eaten alive on this board. Feels good to finally come clean.

[WilliamPitt]

42. Now yer in trouble

:)

[Ishoutandscream]

47. I've decided Kerry also

with a Southerner as the VP candidate, preferably Clark, but I could settle with Graham.

I, too, am disappointed in the Big Dog. My own tin foil hat appeared when I heard him on Larry King - maybe he doesn't want the Dems to win in 2004 so that Hilary would be the candidate in 2008. I hate thinking like that, but that was how I felt. That kind of Freeper-like mentality on my part is downright scary.

[latebloomer]

11. What Postman said!!

I for one am semi-gratified to see Clinton showing his true colors. There's a bit too much worshipping of him going on around these parts.

[Name removed]

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[madaboutharry]

5. While I wait for the link, let me say this...

I have crossed over to another place in my attitude toward Bill Clinton. I am deeply troubled, I was about to name the new puppy I am awaiting Buddy. Any suggestions for dog names?

[WilliamPitt]

7. Spud

:)

[aquart]

19. How about Fair Weather?

[Eloriel]

23. I've already gone there re Clinton

As for dog's names, we had a couple of adorable puppies we rescued from the side of the road the other day, a little brother and sister. We named them Beauregard and Belle. Beau for short, of course. Found a nice home for them.

Eloriel

[ScreamingMeemie]

Howie...or Deanie...?

;)

[madaboutharry]

37. Well,

Howie makes me think of "Mistah Kurtz," but I really do like Beau.

[PassingFair]

74. Well how about "Linda Tripp"?

It's a great name for a bitch!

[SayitAintSo]

6. Really Powerful Animation

Blumrich is continuing to improve on a great talent. Don't know what to make of the Clinton comments ...

[barbaraann]

10. Yes.

And Hillary can, too.

[trumad]

14. I'll say it again..

Clinton didn't vote for the war now did he?

[barbaraann]

35. No, but

I have been hearing Republicans bringing up Clinton's actions and words with regard to Iraq to justify Bush's actions for quite a while.

[RummyTheDummy]

29. Weren't you talking about how great Hilary was a month ago?

Just checking on which direction the wind is blowing this month.

[barbaraann]

39. Me?

I know for sure that I have made lots of critical posts about Bill Clinton (um, including Mena stuff) but I can't recall anything I have posted about Hillary.

[RummyTheDummy]

41. You believe that Mena crap?

God help us all when democrats or liberals in general buy that ridiculous load of neocon horse shit.

[barbaraann]

58. I always keep an open mind.

I am an information junkie and don't dimiss ANYTHING out of hand, including some conspiracy theories even more radical than the Mena stuff. I believe that history teaches us to consider even the most incredible explanations for human events. For example, fifty years ago how many people would have believeD the story about the number of Catholic priests molesting children that was on the news today? I am sure that this story would have dismissed as a "nutty" one.

And the primary conspiracy theorist for the Mena/drug plot also implicates the Bushes as well as Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton seems to be "compromised" somehow--that is not a wild theory.

p.s. I predicted that the latest round of Boeing layoffs would be the "nail in Gary Locke's coffin" here in Washington state. He announced he wasn't running for reelection a few days later. Sometimes I get things right.

[RummyTheDummy]

61. It's great to keep an open mind......

But it's also important to balance that with sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

I respectfully disagree on Mena. That whole story was concocted by Arkansians who hated Clinton. You should read David Brock's book "Blinded by the Right"

[StandWatie]

62. About Mena..

There is a gold mine of info about the CIA and Central America to be gleaned from that investigation, the stuff with Clinton is misdirection and garbage but don't just throw Mena into the memory hole.

[Rose Siding]

12. "Move on" sounds like "get over it" and

"don't cry in your teacups"

Remember?

[aquart]

30. It sounds like Moveon.org.

As someone else mentioned.

Clinton doesn't ever use words lightly.

And he never gets carried away by hysteria and turns on his friends.

A quality I continue to admire.

[JanMichael]

13. FUCK IMPEACHMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whoever thinks that is sufficient can KISS BY VIOLENT PISSED OFF ANGRY APPALLED ASS!

{i]Impeachment implies that nothing more is deserved...That my friend is not good enough for these miserable excuses for human beings...

[Name removed]

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[linazelle]

17. That was awesome

Thanx for sharing it. I'm bookmarking it an passing it on as well.

[newsguyatl]

18. i will

never again hold bill clinton in the same regard after last night's comments...

some folks on here seem to think clinton was in some way trying to 'pull one over' on the repubs and bush*... i couldn't disagree more... that's just grasping for straws IMO...

let's face it: clinton's comments serve as a MUCH needed reminder that both he AND hillary are DLC MODERATES at best, who've only allowed the republicans to gain the power they have in recent years...

so thanks, bill, for reinforcing my and many others' belief that we, as the the democratic party, MUST 'move on' from the recent past and start anew... finding a fresh, strong, liberal leader... leaving you and the other bought-and-sold failed democratic establishment behind in the DLC dust...

[RummyTheDummy]

21. Or it could be.....

THat he might be pointing out the folly of basing the entire 2004 election campaign on uranium sales in Niger when there are so many more important domestic issues that rank and file Americans actually give a shit about. Like losing their jobs.

I do get a kick out of the simplistic thinking of some on this board. Pretty funny.

[newsguyatl]

36. glad you get a kick out

of "simplistic thinking" oh mighty one...

just because we disagree with your (IMO) ridiculous rationale, doesn't mean we're simplistic thinkers...

i, on the other hand, often times get a kick out of how "out there" some of the likes of you are sometimes...

so how about this for simplicity, bite me

[RummyTheDummy]

44. Since you're new to DU you should know personal attacks aren't allowed

I have alerted the mods.

[newsguyatl]

48. grow up would you

you calling me a 'simplistic thinker' isn't a personal attack?

get a life

[RummyTheDummy]

53. Nice comeback.....

I didn't call you a simplistic thinker personally. Get over yourself and your bloated sense of self importance.

[trumad]

24. failed democratic establishment in the DLC dust

What the fuck are you talking about? Now I've pulled away from the DLC because I currently disagree with their strategy but they did win the last 3 presidential elections.... Get a grip... Clinton makes a statement we disagree with and now he's Satan?

[Redleg]

20. Wow!

Powerful stuff.

[Khephra]

22. Powerful stuff

That music reminds me of David Lynch's soundtracks. Creepy!

Today I turned on CNN and the first thing I saw was the banner "Clinton Forgives Bush".

:grr:

[Cha]

32. cnn has to be the lowest form of media whoredom in media

whoreville! "Clinton Forgives Bush" ...for what? What's Clinton got to do with it? Is he God now?

[Ripley]

25. I hate to say this but,

I saw this flash a couple of days ago and it's a bit too much.

And Will, where is Scott Ritter on the lecture circuit? Do you know?

I know you distance yourself from him sometimes, but isn't he a credible source to say "they ain't there" re WMD?

[trumad]

26. Credible source... He said there ain't any and he was right!

He's as credible as anyone me thinks!

[WilliamPitt]

27. He better be a credible source

:)

He's on tour, so far as I know.

[Ripley]

33. Haven't seen him on TV...

And I thought they painted him "bad" anyway?

Does he have a new book?

[Q]

34. I'm getting a bit tired of all this advice to 'breath deep' and 'chill'...

...while our country goes deeper into the shitter and the Bushies continue to do irreparable harm to our government.

- Bush* is not going to fall apart or implode. No white knight will show up at the last moment to save us from ourselves. There's a real good chance that Bush* might actually be in office for at least eight years.

- The Democratic party needs to do what's right or prepare themselves for another loss in 2004.

[WilliamPitt]

38. I'm not saying you should chill

I'm saying that Bill Clinton can say whatever he wants to on television. P.S. to the rationalizers: Occam's Razor applies.

I'm saying that the situation before us remains deadly serious on a dozen levels, no matter what Bill Clinton says. Hearing that yesterday was like getting kicked in the gut. I took a deep breath and happened upon the flash I posted.

Main tent.

Don't chill.

[Q]

51. To chill or not to chill...that is the question.

- Okay...I'm chilling.

- Indeed...strange things are happening. It just doesn't make sense for any Dem to give the Bushies an out when it comes to accepting responsibility.

- Dems were indeed making progress...something had lit a fire under their collective asses (at least in congress) and they were DEMANDING that they be heard as part of the democratic process of government. Other Dems were shedding their chickenshit image and actually talking about real investigations and hearings.

- It takes a certain kind of momentum to push congress into doing something about an out of control executive branch. We can only hope that Clinton and other dupes like him don't put out the fire with their self-serving rhetoric.

[alfredo]

43. Remember, there is always something under the surface.

I was perplexed by his statement, but I think he is encouraging them to stonewall the investigations. That is the worst thing they can do.

Don't pass judgment until this plays out.

the more the fish struggles, the deeper the hook goes.

fine video. I am passing it around to my mailing list.

[WilliamPitt]

45. Occam's Razor

:(

[JanMichael]

54. Not to start another thread (argument) but...

...Occam's Razor? That's an old non-believer's trick:-)

[WilliamPitt]

57. All right *rolling up sleeves*

C'mere, you...

:):)

[JanMichael]

67. I'd hate to devastate your beliefs while inebriated!

That would be simply...Unacceptable.




PS~ You know I've only recently been introduced to a "believer" that I've grown to be quite (really, really, really. DU is two weeks from a big "Jan Michael" announcement...SHHHHHH) fond of...

From what I've seen you're of her (should I say "his" to throw people off?) rather mild, pleasant even, Christian.

That said I must retract my brutally accurate Occam's Razor disection of whatever may come it's way.










PSS! I'm off to bed now so a non response is due to "work".

[mopaul]

46. thanks for saying it

i got fed up with bill and al after a few years. i was elated when he won, and the second term tickled me too, but then his shiny facade wore off for me. they threw monica at him and he bit like a carp and gave the repubs everything they ever wanted. he didn't fight back hard enough about it. even though he took more shit than any president before him, i admired him for that, but he gave in to them too much on many issues. and although he admitted he'd smoked weed, he didn't do anything to decriminalize it.

then al lost to bush in the debates. what a disgrace. al should have fought harder against being called a liar and all the other attacks. i voted for bill twice and al once, and would again i suppose, but reluctantly. we need tougher fighters to oppose the asshole gop. and when bill suggested we move on on the lying in the SOTU issue, i was pissed. if that's all he can to do help, he should just shut up.

[G_j]

75. there is abottom line with Clinton

although he may have many worthy qualities. When push comes to shove he will always look out for himself first, like so many politicians. When he led people to believe he might pardon Leorand Peltier and then left him rotting in prison, I was fully convinced of this.

[Tinoire]

49. POWERFUL video

I second the proposal to donate some money to any TV station willing to run this on the air!

ANSWER might be interested in this for their upcoming protest.

And DITTO on your title! This karma is TOO bad.

Peace

[jobycom]

50. God Fucking Damnit, Will, I'd expect better of you

You know why liberals always lose? Because we hate to win. We can't stand a winner. If someone wins, they sold out, by definition. It's like all those music polls around here. Ask liberals who the best band ever was, or the best album, or whatever, and they feel ultra cool if the can name some thirty year old farce who put out one album instead of someone who acquired millions of fans over a long period of time. Or they name some band that did make it but proclaim that the went downhill after they became popular. Winners suck, and so we never win.

Fuck that. Fuck Clinton bashers. He won. I like winners. I trust them more than losers. He did a damn good job against all odds. He was a credit to the party and to liberalism, even if "liberals" prefer the political equivalent of that same musical farce mentioned above. "Paul Tsongas never sold out, Dude!" Forget the fact that Tsongas was a supply-sider, the very fact that he lost makes him a "pure liberal."

Clinton refused to act all pouty and whiny about a dead issue, and suddenly he's the anti-christ, or the anti-whatever-diety. He did Bush more harm than good in that interview, if anyone read it, with his criticism of the current situation in Iraq. He did himself more good-- and thus Bush and the Republicans more harm-- than he did for Bush. But anybody who refused to hate Bush publicly with all the bitterness and vitriol they can muster is suddenly Bush's ally. The liberal Orwell Though Police are checking our hate rallies to make sure we are all screaming loud enough.

You know better, Will. You know what Clinton meant. You know it would have done nothing but hurt our cause if he had gone off on a tirade about the Niger documents and was later proven wrong. He went by the evidence. So far all the evidence shows is that the CIA and British intel disagree, and Bush trusted the British. If there's more proof, then the situation changes, but so far that's all there is, and Clinton knows it. He's not a political attack dog, he's a former president, and he acts like it.

[WilliamPitt]

52. So the choice, according yo you

was either a) Go off on the Niger thing, or b) Give that comment he did. How about c) Shut the fuck up. Say nothing. "I'm sorry, Larry, but historically it is bad form for former Presidents to criticize sitting Presidents." There's your statesman-like comment, with a little "What did he want to say" mystery aura to boot.

From a different thread: I get it. My subtle higher brain enjoys the irony. But my blunt-ass lower lizard brain hears him calling all this stuff no big deal. I don't think he single-handedly messed this whole thing up. But despite everyone saying THIS IS IT and BUSH IS SCREWED, I remember 42,109 other times these fuckers have squirmed out of the corner and survived. I cannot abide anything that comes within a parsec of helping them do this.

I like winners, too. But this is the winner who laid hands on the intern when the entire wingnut world was after his ass, and he knew it. I think he is not above being questioned for having bad god damned judgment on occassions.

[peacetalksforall]

55. Truth and move on

First, Hillary votes for killing -

Then Bill says move on?

I despise what Republicans did to the Clintons, I admire many of the things the Clintons tried to do and I acknowledge their sentiment on many issues....

but there is no forgiving them for this. I keep thinking they are savvy enough to have something up their sleeve in their actions, but after all these months in the case of H and all these hours in the case of B, I can't figure out any tactic, strategy, or manuever to do what they should be doing - NOT take lives for corporations and mil brass, intelligence, Israel, and British-American imperialism.

It's like Dec 12, 2000....the Dems lay down and play dead.

[ScreamingMeemie]

56. In search of rational posts....Found one!

Good to see others thinking clearly.

[Generic Other]

59. Do you really need to paint such horrible pictures

Maggots kissing your ass. Ugh. Worse than a Jerry Springer episode.
Unfortunately, I know just how you feel.

[corarose]

60. OMG That is a powerful piece

If only we could have that shown on TV.

[NNN0LHI]

63. I make mistakes too. I actually used to have respect for you.

See. I fuck up too?

Don

[StandWatie]

64. ever kill half a million children?

Have them shit their lives away at the rate of 15 liters of feces a day because they have dysentary?

All because you continued to impose sanctions on Chlorine to sanitize drinking water because Saddam was making the great engine of death to destroy the West and then it turns out there isn't shit over there and you were just a paranoid fool like Stalin?

Yeah, there are mistakes and there are mistakes.

[NNN0LHI]

65. I will tell you something right now. You can take that calling names shit

and stick it straight up you ass pal.

Don

[StandWatie]

66. I don't think I called you anything

I'm just making an observation about Clinton and exactly what it would mean if all that Sturm und Drang sabre rattling and more importantly it's real world consequences meant to real human beings who paid the ultimate price for what appears to have been nothing politics and an attempt to be "tough" on Saddam while Hussein ate steaks and half a million children died.

I have no idea why you would take that failing personally.

[WilliamPitt]

69. I don't think you called him/her anything, either

Pretty clear reading to me. Pretty accurate, too.

[WilliamPitt]

68. You're breaking my heart

[Pobeka]

70. Let's focus on Bush, the unethical liar

The war in Iraq is a mess for lot's of reasons. But having an unethical bastards like Bush 'n Cheney continue to run the show will only mean more misery for the Iraqi's, Americans, Israeli's, Palestinians, <fill in the blank>.

Will, it's like I said a few weeks ago:

Bush campaigned on his integrity, honesty, etc. I think
you've said it, but to me it seems blazingly clear -- if Bush
found out the Niger thing was bogus, even 1 day before the
start of the war, he should have revisited the issue with
congress and the american public before committing people to
their deaths. (And it's very clear he knew before the war
the nuclear issue was bogus).

Supposing you went to the doctor, had some tests, and the
doctor says "we gotta cut your leg off to save your life", and
you say, "ok". Now, 1 hour before the operation, the doctor
finds out your test results were swapped with another patient.
Does the doctor cut your leg off anyway, just to appear
competent? No! An ethical doctor will inform you of the
mistake, review the situation and you proceed from there.

[WilliamPitt]

71. BINGO

Well said.

[Wonder]

72. THE MAIN TENT HUH?

when does the word purposeful extermination kick in? OH SURE they pragmatically tie it all up as collateral damage, but while the Oil people landed set and ready for work, there is STILL no water!!! CHILDREN die from JUST diarrhea, forget all the other diseases.

The pictures coming back to the US set it up like the friendly Americans helping the biege and brown people. Not that I am surprised, I am not. But these graphics...............

In WWII we came on the rescue. We liberated in WWII...This is a horror that has been unleashed on these people. The majority just innocent babies children boys girls mothers fathers...


I might now just spit into the face of another flag waving republican who is completely uninformed and tells me i am ignorant because IT WAS ONLY SIXTEEN WORDS IN A 45 MINUTE SPEECH...

Well Mr. Pitt... thanks for the reality check.

[FreedomReload]

73. Bullshit

So Kerry, the guy running for President in 2004, is off the hook for actually making the war happen due to some shitty compromise argument you made up yet Clinton, the guy who had no power, is taking the heat as the definite traitor???? Bullshit. I suggest you get your head out of that maggothole and look at what your saying.