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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:06 PM
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Smirk gives Ashcroft job of getting abortion offenders

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1080459,00.html

Fury at Bush's civil rights policing of abortion ban

The Bush administration has given the US justice department's civil rights division the job of enforcing a contentious new ban on late-term abortions, it emerged yesterday.

The move has provoked furious accusations that the White House is perverting the government's role in promoting civil rights.

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The justice department, under the leadership of the conservative attorney general, John Ashcroft, has vowed to press forward with the enforcement of the law, promising in a statement released this week "to strongly defend the law prohibiting partial-birth abortions using every resource necessary".

But Mr Ashcroft's decision to use the department's civil rights division, rather than its criminal division, to enforce the measure has brought together two of the most emotionally charged issues in contemporary America: abortion and race.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:09 PM
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1. That's a direct violation of the Fed. court order
We have no rule of law anymore do we .

What are the courts for exactly ?

BUSH IS A TRAITOR to the Constitution .
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:17 PM
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6. The Imperial Family, their aliies and Capos, are above the Rule of Law
What, did you think Amerika was still a Free Nation?
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donotpassgo Donating Member (867 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:37 PM
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14. This is all part of the strategy to neuter the Federal Courts...
take them out of the process so that the White House is the sole central power in the gvt.

The majority Repub House and Senate effectively doing Bush and the White House expending a bunch of energy in equating the Federal court system with the 9th Circuit court, which they associate with hippie/liberal/gay marriage/ACLU.

I guess less government to them means less of that annoying opposition that stands in their way.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:11 PM
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2. Good Lord, how twisted
Edited on Mon Nov-10-03 12:11 PM by eileen_d
Women's civil rights threatened by civil rights division of USDOJ.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:11 PM
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3. The Federal Judges Need to Send the US Marshalls To Haul
Edited on Mon Nov-10-03 12:13 PM by Beetwasher
Ashcroft to prison the second he enforces this unconstitutional law...

These judges need to flex their muscle. This wouldn't be the first time he has ignored a federal judge. He routinely thumbs hsi nose at federal judges. The judges better stand up and do something.
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Grins Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:19 PM
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7. Your damned right.
The second he does the Marshalls should haul this Nazi off in handcuffs, and the Congress should impeach him - as well as the nutcase that appointed him!
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Donating Member ( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:22 PM
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10. impeach him
seems it would be a violation of the constitution somehow for the attorney general to contravene a court order.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:13 PM
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4. Civil Rights devision???????
Ashcroft cannot supercede the court ruling, unless I have somehow awakened in a parallel universe. Apparently I have.
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:14 PM
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5. It has been apparent all along where Asscroft's priorities have been
He couldn't give two shits about the terrorists. He is using his position to further his fundie outlook on life and go after "moral offenders" rather than criminals or terrorists. He is a dangerous man which is all the more reason dumbya needs to be sent back to to Texas.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:20 PM
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8. No, dumbya needs to be sent to
a federal lockup, like the one in Kansas.
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OldSoldier Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:13 PM
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15. I like the one in Terre Haute better
That's where they have the federal death house.
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Mysterio Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:21 PM
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9. where did ashcroft...
get his teachings of US law? At a school in another country? Every law person I know knows a thing or two about the US constitution. Why doesn't ashcroft?

Mysterio
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:23 PM
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11. This is great news.
I've said before no sane person would perform this procedure or allow this procedure to be performed on her unless there was a good reason. The doctor would be arrested after the procedure and there would have to be a trial in which the doctor, the patient, her friends, family, and medical experts could testify.

Maybe it would even air on Court TV.

Hopefully the woman will be white and middle or upper class so that the Soccer Parents could imagine themselves in this position.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:26 PM
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12. So now are they going to have FBI agents in
each operating room making sure it doesn't happen? These religious flakes have got to go.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 12:28 PM
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13. No. Only digging through biohazardous waste
Edited on Mon Nov-10-03 12:29 PM by Iris
looking for remains.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:20 PM
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16. so now a doctor will have to justify a third trimester
abortion in the courts? Will he/she have to prove that the proceedure was to save the life of the woman?
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 02:49 PM
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20. No. There is no exception for the life of the mother.
He would have to prove that he did not perform the procedure, I guess.
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:22 PM
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17. Isn't their a court injunction barring the law from taking effect?
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:42 PM
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18. Yes, but apparently Bush is going to enforce it anyway
They are ignoring the courts...
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Military Brat Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 01:44 PM
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19. Santorum made the choice, and the baby died
Rick's wife was counseled to abort. She went through hell for the remainder of her pregnancy to give birth, took a major risk with her life. Of course, that was totally okay with Rick, because women are replaceable.

The baby was born, went through hell for the few hours it was alive, and then died. Mrs. Santorum has written a book, gave some money from profits to anti-abortionists, none to charities which support unwed mothers, and kept the rest.

Wow, such good Christians. It's no wonder the rest of the world looks up to us.

Ashcroft, my friends, is certifiable.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 03:42 PM
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21. I can't get this off my mind
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