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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 01:35 AM
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The military is growing disenchanted with Bush - great article
Edited on Sun Nov-09-03 01:44 AM by Woodstock
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0311.wallace-wells.html

...the consensus view seems to be that the military as a whole votes Republican by a margin of slightly less than 2-to-1, with enlisted men and women Republican by 3-to-2, and Republicans outnumbering Democrats among officers by 8-to-1. (Thankfully for Democratic partisans, there are 15 times as many enlisted men as officers)...

{me talking here - the enlisted men/women are only 3-to-2 - 3 Republican to 2 Democratic (not as Republican as I thought, and after this fiasco, the balance might tip to 50/50 - or better?):}

...Discontented enlisted men and women have a separate set of provocations...The war in Iraq is already brutal enough day-to-day: Soldiers spend their days in hundred-plus degree heat, being shot at, peering anxiously into the distance, trying to pick out anyone likely to drive through a barricade with a car stuffed with explosives or whip a rifle out from under his robes and start shooting. They are facing an enemy who is not easily identifiable; when they are too aggressive, they are criticized by the press, and when they are not aggressive enough, they are reprimanded by their superiors, if they don't end up dead... "They feel overused, and under-appreciated, particularly in the enlisted ranks," Wilson said. Christopher Parker, a former Army captain and a political scientist at the University of California-Santa Barbara, put it to me more bluntly: "What we're seeing now is almost unprecedented, this widespread sense among people in the military that they're being jacked around."..."There's a sense from everyone I talk to, even down at the unit level, that whoever planned this war simply had no idea what we were getting into," a retired Army captain told me...

Troops have been charged a dollar a minute to call home, newspapers have reported, and soldiers have to buy calling cards from Iraqi kiosks. Tens of thousands of troops have been sent to Iraq with flak jackets from the Vietnam era which, unlike the modern Kevlar, can't stop rounds from the Kalashnikov rifles typically fired by the Iraqi enemy. The Pentagon, looking to trim costs last spring, floated a plan to eliminate the pay benefits soldiers got for serving in so-called "hostile areas"; after a loud outcry from the ranks, they killed the plan. Some injured reservists were billed for food they were served while in the hospital. And veterans' groups are up in arms over the concurrent receipt issue, a military regulation which mandates that no retired soldier receiving his pension from the Department of Defense can also qualify for disability. As veterans' groups have pointed out, retired soldiers (who have more legitimate per capita disability claims than any other group of federal workers) are the only group of employees in the civil service who are barred from drawing simultaneous pensions and disability payments...

{me again - and the officers, who were the most Republican, are really ticked with Bush:}

...There was great skepticism among many officers that Iraq was the right "next target" in the war on terrorism, and an emerging doubt that Rumsfeld and his lieutenants really knew what they were doing... "What I've seen throughout the officer corps is a real pendulum swing over the last three or four months, from being pro-Bush to anti-Bush," Vandergriff said... Retired Gen. Anthony Zinni...last month called the administration's policy a "brain fart."...
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 01:38 AM
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1. Its inevitable that this happened, what with amateurs in charge.
One would never want to think that they weren't valued
by those they promised to serve but it happened and there
will be no hatred deeper than these people will feel
over this betrayal.
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 01:42 AM
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2. What I found interesting,
Is that Republican officers outnumber Democratic ones by 8-1. Hmmm, Do you think that there might be some politics involved in getting promoted in the military?
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lcordero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 01:48 AM
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4. that would indicate that politics would be involved in simply
getting a commission(sp?)
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:57 AM
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10. Politics involved in getting into most of the academies?
Does it still take a congressional recommendation to get a chance at it?
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 01:48 AM
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3. And The Red Cross Left
So much for the National Guard's health care system in a combat zone.
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 02:03 AM
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5. there is also an article in this issue by Wesley Clark
"America's Virtual Empire" - I don't see it online yet, I'm reading it in my print edition.

Description: U.S. soldiers are great warriors, but unwilling imperial guards. If we want to secure our interests, we must draw on other sources of power.
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 02:21 AM
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6. Bush is screwing them monetarily, but he is giving them perpetual war
It's not about the money for rank and file Republicans, its about blasting people they hate to smithereens. Really. Let's just hope that they don't realize that they don't have to go half way around the world schlepping 70 ton tanks to beat the hell out of us.
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:38 AM
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7. Kick for the morning crew
And because, back at the end of Gulf War 1, we were supposed to have learned the lesson of Viet Nam.

A round for the Veterans, please!
:toast:
dbt
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 10:53 AM
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8. Strange that shrub and his minions would treat the military this way
I mean really, why not throw bundles of cash and services on them.
Make them "loyal" to him and his cause. This just goes to show how
stupid this administration really is.

Fortunately for us...the complete opposite is happening and I'm
happy to state that I believe that if shrub does win the next
selections through fraud and then he continues with the idiotic
perpetual war...maybe the military will come back home to help
us remove this twerp.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:40 AM
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9. They've got no faith in human beings
The sense I get of Rumsfeld is that his goal is of an all-machine army, with just enough human beings to sit back somewhere safe and punch the buttons.

Most of the rest of this crew of neo-fascists aren't even that enlightened. They seem to view the soldiers as dispensible action figures -- useful as long as they can die gloriously, but to be kicked aside when they wear out.

I'm starting to think that us lefties are the only ones who actually care about soldiers as people -- and who recognize that people (real people, that is, not machines or action figures) will only fight and die for causes they understand and believe in.

(I'm feeling a paraphrase coming on. How about, "...that government of real people, by real people, and for real people shall not perish from the earth"?)
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 12:01 PM
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11. Would be fitting if the military started delivering 'transport tubes'
to the offices of the men who started this crussed invasion. Since they won't go to the airfield to salute the fallen as they are returned, bring the fallen to them. Pile the tubes in the halls when their offices get full. Keep it up til they salute the fallen and uphold the promises made to the surviviors.
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 12:21 PM
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12. "Throwing bundles of cash at them" is exactly
what the Republicans are making it look like they are doing. They've always managed to get away with this and convince the military and vets and civilians that they're behind them 100%. Vets just a vote "for them" on Friday and the Republicans are making it look as if they did it all - they were pulled kicking and screaming to the table (threatened veto, etc.) Republicans are all for buying the military hardware but let no one kid you, they do not give a damn for the men and women in uniform nor the veterans. Ole Tom Delay has played this game for years and gotten away with it.
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:36 PM
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13. I think it's a case of becoming aware of the nature of the neocons
If you read CATO and The American Conservative, both pubs/orgs are very vocal against the neocons (AKA Bush's gang's) foreign policy.

I would like to think the officers are the traditional types of conservatives/Republicans (even Eisenhower Republicans) who are aware this administration's policies are disastrous.

So I'm hoping we will not only gain from the enlisted, but from the officers.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:49 PM
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14. All this is good news.
But come 12 months from now, will these people support a Democrat or will they stay home?
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VLC98 Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 06:59 PM
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15. My enlisted AF husband...
has volunteered to be the voting representative for his squadron. He has already had several airmen ask him how they can vote. With this early enthusiasm I tend to think they want to get rid of AWOL.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 11:01 PM
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16. That's good news to hear.
n/t
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