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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 03:27 AM
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Dean says Graham on "short list" for VP
Edited on Wed Nov-05-03 03:39 AM by pruner
Graham on 'short list' for VP spot

By Bill Cotterell
DEMOCRAT POLITICAL EDITOR

Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean said Tuesday that Southerners must stop basing their votes on "race, guns, God and gays" and forge a multiracial coalition that focuses next year's presidential election on jobs, health care and a foreign policy reflecting American values.

In a wide-ranging luncheon address to the Capital Tiger Bay Club, the former Vermont governor also said U.S. Sen. Bob Graham is on his "short list" for vice president - if he wins the top spot at the Democratic National Convention in Boston next summer. Dean called Graham, who said Monday that he won't run for re-election to the Senate, "one of the greatest public servants in the United States."

An enthusiastic throng of Dean supporters filled the courtyard of the Tallahassee-Leon County Civic Center to greet Dean, the first active presidential candidate to campaign in Tallahassee.

<snip>

Tiger Bay Club president Janet Hinkle told Dean he doesn't need to "whistle Dixie" when campaigning in the South. The political luncheon club presented him a NASCAR poster, an FSU ball cap and an empty beer can to carry around.

<snip>

http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/democrat/news/local/7184...
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 03:38 AM
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1. Dean and Graham
would be a great ticket.
It's part of Dean's strategy, the comments about the guys in pickup trucks etc. With Graham, Dean could win the South, and that's no easy task for a Democrat these days. :bounce:
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jeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 03:41 AM
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2. Clark, Lieberman, Gepthardt and Kerry supporters don't get it
They don't see what Dean is doing.

They saw a sliver of an opening and jumped on him, not realizing what his strategy actually is. Dean's support on guns? Dean and the confederate flag? Now this? You see a pattern?

The other Democrats are too stupid to realize his strategy. That's why Dean is ahead and everyone else behind.
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Lady President Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 04:04 AM
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4. You're not helping Dean
"The other Democrats are too stupid to realize his strategy."

I'm trying to keep an open mind about all the candidates and stay ABB regardless of who gets the nomination, but calling all Dems. who don't support your candidate "stupid" doesn't make me want to be involved in his campaign. I don't think that supporters for any of the Dem. candidates are stupid. I know you don't speak for Dean, but I think we all owe it to our favorites to represent them the best we can.
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 04:11 AM
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5. 
especially Kerry & Edwards supporters.

:crazy:
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Lady President Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 04:28 AM
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6. I don't condone that
I don't condone that either.

I don't post very often primarily because I don't want to get into any flame wars. Feel free to search my posts because I make a concerted effort not to bash any candidate. In fact, I exchanged a few very helpful posts about Dean's tax plan earlier today with Dean supporters. Economics isn't my strong suit and they could've easily flamed me, but they didn't and that made me think of Dean in a more positive light.

Isn't your goal to have me vote for Dean next Nov.? Calling me stupid doesn't inspire me very much. For what it's worth I don't think anyone who has found this board and tries to learn is stupid.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 04:31 AM
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7. The others are too stupid to stereotype southernors
I guess my stupidity comes from the fact that I actually need to base my political strategy opinion on academics and not my own candidates talking points

Because for some reason every EXPERT on national elections believes that the most important demographic in EVERY state is still white, college educated, middle class, suburban moms and dads who regard themselves as independants.

but all this time I was wrong and what you actually have to do to relate to and win a third of the country is find a Yalie from Long Island representing Vermont who's telling you you've all been brainwashed by the republicans into racists and thats why you havn't been voting for my party.


"thanks Howard Dean, I wanna be a librul' now!"
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 06:02 AM
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10. I agree
Such insulting, blanket-generalizations are uncalled for and counter-productive.

I applaud your reply, it is civil, candid and right on the money.

C'mon everyone, we are on the same team! The Over-throw-the-fascist-regime team!

Julie
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 10:48 AM
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17. Dean's Support On Guns?
But the other day Dean supporters here were saying that his position is no different than Kerry's?

If Dean's position is as Liberal or not Liberal as Kerry's why wouldn't Kerry be able to reach out to gun advocates?
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 11:03 AM
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20. He should be
in fact airing photos of him using a gun to hunt
was kind of speaking out of one side of his mouth
while mistating Dean's position on gun laws...

Kerry can ride the fence for as long as it seems
to be working...but those of us who see the rail
indent are losing respect for him.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 10:48 AM
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18. oops
Edited on Wed Nov-05-03 10:48 AM by cryingshame
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 03:52 AM
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3. Dean will have a hard time winning NY and CA, much less THE south
Edited on Wed Nov-05-03 03:53 AM by Bombtrack
Graham or any other southernor would do for Dean in the south the same thing Lloyd Benston did for Dukakis in the south, nothing.

And although Graham has good vp credentials/gravitas for anyone, Miami Lakes aint dixie. Graham would work for someone like Kerry for winning Florida, but pretty much just Florida unless a drastic shift in that regions politics occur.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 04:36 AM
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8. Interesting.
Edited on Wed Nov-05-03 04:37 AM by BillyBunter
Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean said Tuesday that Southerners must stop basing their votes on "race, guns, God and gays" and forge a multiracial coalition that focuses next year's presidential election on jobs, health care and a foreign policy reflecting American values.

And Edwards' 'We don't need someone like you coming down here and telling us what to do.'


Yeah, Dean gets the South. Lead balloon.



On another note, Dean's forearms are actually pretty wimpy, especially considering he's a chunky guy. What's up with Matthews going ga-ga over those little toothpicks?

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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 06:11 AM
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12. So, what strategy would YOU have him use, mr. knowitall?
Edited on Wed Nov-05-03 06:12 AM by w4rma
How would YOU tweak his message?
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 06:47 AM
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14. What message?
He's issuing commands, not communicating a message.




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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 05:20 AM
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9. Graham would never be the V.P. of Dean...
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 06:04 AM
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11. I like Graham
Was very sorry to see he was the first out of the race. He could add a great deal to the conversation as a candidate for Prez and would add much to the ticket as VP cand.

Plus, you just know he's got plenty of dirt on Team Bush.

Julie
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 06:29 AM
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13. I liked him as well.
Edited on Wed Nov-05-03 06:32 AM by alphafemale
Was sorry to see him leave the race so early.

He was the lib message from the favorite uncle in comfy shoes.

The Mr. Rogers candidate.

And that photo of him hugging that little latina child melted my heart.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 08:07 AM
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15. It's the only thing Dean has said that strikes a chord.
It is a sad day, however, because there's so much work to do to bring this country together.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 10:58 AM
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19. Agreed. I like this.
and he didn't even have to mention the confederate flag.
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LuCifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 08:13 AM
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16. Now only if the RepubliKKKan voting machines weren't RIGGED...
...we'd be able to WIN.

Lu Cifer
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